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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

Wow...I actually read through all of this..

So, Bootcamp....I think it has a number of word plays.

Say Indoctrination...like bootcamp for the military....we will convert those Windows users to Mac lovers.....just without the PT.:p
 
My Take

BIOS or EFI
MS says Visita doesn't support EFI...Apple counters with BOIS, EFI, doesn't matter.

Dual Boot or Virtualization
Either way....it helps get more poeple to buy Apple products. What the fallout will be with the development community, time will tell.

Finanical Future
Oh this is very bright...If Apple just increases market share to 7 or 8%, that's huge. And that's why the stock rose so much today.

Home or Business
MS is not gaining traction in the home market. Just look at the confusing message....Xbox, media center, XP home. meh. Sony is tanking as well (delayed PS3).

Question, can Apple make real inroads to the business world...IMO not without virtualization. Office 2003 for Mac is nothing like the one for Windows and that's the clue. MS has been locking up the business market with Windows only applications and centering it all around Explorer (read Sharepoint services).

The Vision
Apple will dominate the home market (25% market share or more of home computers) Stock Price close to $100 a share.
 
Installed Windows Media Center Edition

Its actually really easy to install Media Center Edition on an Intel iMac... the reason it isn't supported is solely because you would have to eject the first disk to put the second one in (the disk with the MCE files on it)... and the eject button isn't supported at that point in the Windows installation.

That said, I successfully installed Media Center during my first attempt this afternoon. All you need is a secondary external CD-Rom drive. Here are the steps:

1. Plug in your External CD-Rom drive
2. Put Disk 1 into the computer's INTERNAL CD-Rom drive
3. Start installing Windows MCE as if it were a normal XP install
4. When the installer asks for CD 2, insert it into the EXTERNAL CD-Rom drive
5. Click the button all the way on the right of the dialog asking for CD 2 (it says Browse or Find or something)
6. Change the path from D:\cmpnents\mediactr\i386 to E:\cmpnents\mediactr\i386
7. Let the install finish-- and you will boot to Media Center!
8. Install the Macintosh Drivers CD.

Works flawlessly.
 
Bosunsfate said:
Question, can Apple make real inroads to the business world...IMO not without virtualization. Office 2003 for Mac is nothing like the one for Windows and that's the clue. MS has been locking up the business market with Windows only applications and centering it all around Explorer (read Sharepoint services).
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Sadly this will never happen unless Apple rethinks its licensing and support schemes.

Right now Macs are basically sold as an appliance, with the machine and the software license bundled inseparably together, that very idea doesn't seem very compatible with Microsoft's equivalence of a corporate or a site license.
 
generik said:
Sadly this will never happen unless Apple rethinks its licensing and support schemes.

Right now Macs are basically sold as an appliance, with the machine and the software license bundled inseparably together, that very idea doesn't seem very compatible with Microsoft's equivalence of a corporate or a site license.
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I agree. The road into the business world requires a different track for Apple and virtualiziation could/may only be part of it.

IMO, the business model for them is about holding to what business sector they already have. The focus is on the home. Really nothing new when you realize that is what Steve mentions in just about every keynote..
 
Now, what will Microsoft give Apple in return? Or will they keep to their old ways and put down "How to remove Mac OS X and install Windows on your Mac" like they DID FOR LINUX? :rolleyes:
 
nagromme said:
That's a likely scenario, but don't forget the VERY worst that can (and often does) happen: you get a Windows virus, and your personal Windows files are attacked or stolen. If you boot to Windows to actually DO anything, then whatever you do is vulnerable. (Playing games while NOT on the Internet is a perfect use for Windows though :) )

Also, a Windows virus could be created that either reformats your internal drive (goodbye Mac files), or else has its own HFS support to attack or steal your Mac files. That's why unless I'm keeping Windows offline, I'd rather use virtualized Windows--it can't get out of its hardfile and harm the Mac side.
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who in their right mind would even USE internet with XP??
has anyone of you ever tried it? its like taking the Titanic cross the ocean.
You end up hitting the ice berg. :D

I welcome the XP thing because of some windows pro apps.
Like SPSS and stuff that is not ported yet. And probably will eventually,
as all bigger institutions want Linux anyways in the future.
 
Admittedly, I haven't read this whole thread (it's extremely long), but I fail to see what everyone is so enthused about.

Yes, for Mac users, this means running Windows natively on an Apple computer. This is welcome news for people for whom Virtual PC is not an ideal solution.

But as someone pointed out, this also opens up the Windows side of the Mac to all the viruses, spyware and other assorted crap that plagues the whole Windows OS. So you'd have to be very careful to use the Mac "half" of your computer for e-mail, internet browsing, and all those other "high-risk" applications. Myself, I'd only feel safe using the Windows side for standalone apps such as games.

From the point of view of established Windows users...what does this do, except turn Macs into expensive Windows systems? I don't know about you, but almost everybody I know who has his head stuck up his--- I mean, has his head stuck in the Windows world, looks for the cheapest Wintel box around...and Dell has been playing that card with enormous success.

Similarly, corporate IT departments tend to look for the cheapest computers they can find...and I can't see them looking favorably on one which requires that you buy Windows separately to install, and which, if they would use the Mac software at all, would require their IT staff to also know how to troubleshoot the Mac platform.

Maybe I'm just missing something here, but I see this being of greatest advantage to people who are already Mac users who just want to play Windows games. I don't see that this move is going to win Apple a lot of new converts from the Windows world, in either home or business use.
 
Sirin said:
Now, what will Microsoft give Apple in return? Or will they keep to their old ways and put down "How to remove Mac OS X and install Windows on your Mac" like they DID FOR LINUX? :rolleyes:
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you dont get it, Linux doesnt sell hardware.
The real future might be that Apple computers run Linux and OSX and XP.
While PC makers are stranded with only XP.

Gates understands this and wants to be on the same boat that MAKES it.
A LOT of switchers will come because of the design issue, and they simply can not justify the switch because they would need two systems. And the time it takes to Learn OSX. My mom has no problems with OSX, she loves it. But her work demands Intel and XP. My dad can hardly operate a computer, but he loves macs and how it looks. So he needs to be able to transisit into the OSX enviroment. Now then all the people will see that OSX and MAC is great, and they will sell more. But Jobs better ****ing make sure his products are up to speed and no buggy XP things.
 
is cnet confused?

On cnet.com they have a video for boot camp and at the end the guy says leopard will be out in august? What's up with that? Not sure if this was said, 1000 posts is a bit much.

Chris
 
Dell makes a statment

iGary said:
Michael Dell is pooping his pants.

Right now.
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"It looks like Apple with 'Intel inside' and 'Microsoft inside' is turning into a commodity PC business," said Kevin Rollins in an interview today at Dell's Round Rock, Texas, headquarters.

This statement was made after Apple Computer Inc.'s decision on Wednesday to make available free software that makes it easy to install Microsoft Corp.'s Windows operating system on some of its Mac models.

Rollins said Dell wasn't unduly concerned.
 
If Apple puts in the best graphic card available on a new Mac, wouldn't that Mac be one of the best gaming machines for a few months? I assume they would put in the fastest processors as well. Wouldn't that make any new Powermac the best PC for gaming?

I can just see the Powermac on the cover of PC gaming magazines.
 
KevIncognito said:
Its actually really easy to install Media Center Edition on an Intel iMac... the reason it isn't supported is solely because you would have to eject the first disk to put the second one in (the disk with the MCE files on it)... and the eject button isn't supported at that point in the Windows installation.

That said, I successfully installed Media Center during my first attempt this afternoon. All you need is a secondary external CD-Rom drive. Here are the steps:

1. Plug in your External CD-Rom drive
2. Put Disk 1 into the computer's INTERNAL CD-Rom drive
3. Start installing Windows MCE as if it were a normal XP install
4. When the installer asks for CD 2, insert it into the EXTERNAL CD-Rom drive
5. Click the button all the way on the right of the dialog asking for CD 2 (it says Browse or Find or something)
6. Change the path from D:\cmpnents\mediactr\i386 to E:\cmpnents\mediactr\i386
7. Let the install finish-- and you will boot to Media Center!
8. Install the Macintosh Drivers CD.

Works flawlessly.
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Does the iMac not have an emergency eject hole you could use?
 
I predict MacBook Pros will suddenly become harder to find...

This will definitely boost hardware sales. The real question is will it convince enough people on the fence to try OS/X (hey. its free, and you can still install your copy of windows) and switch for good...

:cool:
 
yg17 said:
Does the iMac not have an emergency eject hole you could use?
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No, it doesn't.

The workarounds for multi-CD installs (MCE, etc.) are currently

1. use an external CD drive and point the installer to the new location (E:/)
2. reburn all the files to one DVD
 
dernhelm said:
I predict MacBook Pros will suddenly become harder to find...

This will definitely boost hardware sales. The real question is will it convince enough people on the fence to try OS/X (hey. its free, and you can still install your copy of windows) and switch for good...

:cool:
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Pretty sure that was Apple's intention to begin with. They knew that there was simply NO way they could keep up with demand even without providing XP support let alone WITH support so they waited until demand at least met supply to drop this bomb. I know of at least a dozen people who will be ordering a MBP this week because of this news.

All I know is that I now need to "find" space on my hard drive to fit XP. Goodbye jampacks, office for Mac, and a few other things. Hello Civ IV, Office 2003, Streets and Trips, and my Lexmark training material.

dernhelm said:
The real question is will it convince enough people on the fence to try OS/X (hey. its free, a
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That's a loaded comment.
 
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