Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

[MacQuest]

Thursday, Bloody Thursday.

My daily "routine" of professing that "seamless integration between Apple's OS and hardware are what makes the 'Mac experience' superior to the lack of experience on peecees." was no where to be seen or heard on Thursday.

44 hours ago, I was surrounded by "miCrapsoft apologists" and "winBlows Lusers" which I loathed, yet secretely loved, because they "complete me."

They were the Ying to my Yang. Now, there are none. I am alone now as there is no debate to be had ... at least in my workplace.

It is simply impossible to engage in a verbal argument with those dime-a-dozen "microsoft certifiables" who have now been left speechless at the performance of my 20" demo iMac running AutoCAD and Half Life 2.

Tomorrow by request, I promised to show a few of them how to use iMovie.

This war has begun and blood has been spilt. This revolution will be televised, streamed and uploaded as a Podcast.

 

[needthephone]

A great idea. We have both a Dell and an imac and have to say the imac is OK but you can't find anything to run on it. Its also annoying because:
1) The icon bar at the bottom hides essential pieces of information like the print icon so you have to move the print dialogue so you can just see the icon
2) It never works on the internet properly despite making sure I downloaded the latest browser
3) Entorage is unstable
4) Its difficult to network with a PC
5) You can't find anything to run on it without paying through the nose
6) It hangs up a lot with that irritating rotaing icon thingy and how do you force quit again (everyonre knows how to ctrl alt delete but you have to search on google to find out how to do this with a mac)
7) I know how to use PC's and how to do things with folders, files etc-can't work out OS whatever
8) The mouse has only one button-what?
It's also very buggy (Entorage is a pain no where near as reliable as Outlook sorry to say) We did feel quite smug when we first got the imac but now we are in the process of getting rid of it, its been an expensive experiment. To be honest we would not have contimplated another mac but this changes things-It is good to get a choice as basically it seems its only Dell which is left-been burnt too many times by no names. Now its a price feature comparison as I like Apple design and reliabilty just not the OSX part. We did buy the mac after a truly horrible experience with Windows millenium addition but XP is a differant matter and now I would honestly say its more stable than OS whatever.

 

[dalvin200]

A great idea. We have both a Dell and an imac and have to say the imac is OK but you can't find anything to run on it. Its also annoying because:
1) The icon bar at the bottom hides essential pieces of information like the print icon so you have to move the print dialogue so you can just see the icon
2) It never works on the internet properly despite making sure I downloaded the latest browser
3) Entorage is unstable
4) Its difficult to network with a PC
5) You can't find anything to run on it without paying through the nose
6) It hangs up a lot with that irritating rotaing icon thingy and how do you force quit again (everyonre knows how to ctrl alt delete but you have to search on google to find out how to do this with a mac)
7) I know how to use PC's and how to do things with folders, files etc-can't work out OS whatever
8) The mouse has only one button-what?
It's also very buggy (Entorage is a pain no where near as reliable as Outlook sorry to say) We did feel quite smug when we first got the imac but now we are in the process of getting rid of it, its been an expensive experiment. To be honest we would not have contimplated another mac but this changes things-It is good to get a choice as basically it seems its only Dell which is left-been burnt too many times by no names. Now its a price feature comparison as I like Apple design and reliabilty just not the OSX part. We did buy the mac after a truly horrible experience with Windows millenium addition but XP is a differant matter and now I would honestly say its more stable than OS whatever.

you obviously need to use the mac a LOT more if for the sole use of the dictionary

 

[needthephone]

Ok my spulling may not be crash hot but I mean everything I say. I think this boot camp is a great idea- the best of both worlds-Windows OS and apple hardware-please don't get all defensive, I just want the thing to work and have a choice of software after spending a few thousand dollars, its not a fashion thing.

 

[Galex]

Marketing has begun

Today I received a first sign that Apple really intends to market this new possibility in order to sell more computers. I subscribe to an e-mail service bringing announcements and rebates tailored to the many Swedish college students that have a so-called student card. This morning I got the following message from Apple (being one of the partners in this service), as translated from Swedish:

"Run Win XP on new Macs!
Apple has just released Boot Camp which makes it possible to run Windows XP on new macs! Now you cannot escape, there is no reason not to buy a Mac the next time you buy a new computer! The Mac can do everything! The programme is now available in a beta version to download today, and will be included in the next version of Mac OS X."

/Galex

 

[mixel]

1) The icon bar at the bottom hides essential pieces of information like the print icon so you have to move the print dialogue so you can just see the icon

Whaat? Not an issue here. You mean the dock? 'turn hiding on' if somehow your apps are getting behind it.. ? what's the print dialogue doing down there anyway.. ?!

2) It never works on the internet properly despite making sure I downloaded the latest browser

Not had that problem myself. Some sites are badly made, but pretty much everything works here.

4) Its difficult to network with a PC

Read: "It works slightly differently and I can't be bothered to work it out!!" - it's actually very easy.

5) You can't find anything to run on it without paying through the nose

Wrong. http://www.macupdate.com - Beginning to think you're a troll.

6) It hangs up a lot with that irritating rotaing icon thingy and how do you force quit again (everyonre knows how to ctrl alt delete but you have to search on google to find out how to do this with a mac)

You'd have to look up Ctrl/Alt/Del if you didn't know how to do it too. That's so incredibly silly. Everyone who knows osX knows Alt/Apple/Esc.

7) I know how to use PC's and how to do things with folders, files etc-can't work out OS whatever

Umm.. What's all that different? they both have very similar ways of doing 'things with folders'

8) The mouse has only one button-what?

Right, that definitely makes you sound like a troll. The mouse has as many buttons as it had when you bought it. Recently apple sells 4 button mice. Plug in almost any old PC USB mouse. Problem solved.

We did buy the mac after a truly horrible experience with Windows millenium addition but XP is a differant matter and now I would honestly say its more stable than OS whatever.

It isn't. They're both stable, but XP isn't more stable. Only time i ever have to reboot my mac is for software updates now.. Compared to XP.. and it's stacks of necessary security stuff. Blurgh. Entourage isn't osX, I have little experience with it, but if Entourage is crashing for you it's not necessarily Apple's/osX's fault.



Back on topic though.. I genuinely think Boot Camp is a very good thing, though I hope they don't settle for the dual boot method ultimately.. I really want to know what'll be in Leopard now!

 

[deadturtle]

A New Era

What remains to be seen is if this ushers in a new era of computing. If companies, espcially those that would normally buy their employees a PC and a Mac for what ever purpose will now exclusively buy a Mac and a copy of XP. While for folks who like to work side by side might feel a bit crunch for places that have limited budgets being able to purchase one computer could be a huge boon. Coupled with the software that just showed up to allow access to the Mac HDD on windows, and you could have a complete workstation solution (plus the screen on the iMac). So while we are being hypothetical say x,x,x,x and x company all suddenly decide to go with one system (rather than many for their programmers, etc) and say two of those companies also produce some kind of software for other companies also making a changeover in theory they would design for the platform (eg OS X) thus causing MORE developers to start working with OS X. Eventually as more companies realize that having to only buy one computer saves them lots of cash more companies start producing OS X based software. Then suddenly we all stop and looking around, All these companies started this process to condense their desktop purchases, but in the end they wound up with Universal Binaries that run on both Windows and X (take your pick) and suddenly Apple has most of the market share and Windows is the niche OS

Its a dream, but a nice dream!

 

[~Shard~]

I wish I knew where to find the link, but I think it was during MWSF 05 that someone posted a link to an archive of a "live" thread (during keynote) going on from a few years earlier when the first iPod was introduced. 80 - 90% of the messages were all:

<snip>

You mean you don't know about the famous Thread #500? Don't worry, as you progress out of newbie-dom you will soon know that infamous MacRumors number off the top of your head like everyone else here!

 

[^squirrel^]

Can anyone check if this is a record for thread lenght??

That's a first....

iMac with the blue screen of death...legit as well!

 

[Moses]

I have two major problems that are preventing me from running XP.

I've installed the firmware update. My sytem is a MacBook Pro, 10.4.6, nothing out-of-the-ordinary, 2Ghz, 2GB RAM.

When I run Boot Camp Assistant, and burn the drivers disc, it burns the disc, then when it gets to the finalise burn part of the process the software just continues to run - it never finishes.

Partitioning the drive works fine, I insert the XP disk and press start installation, it re-boots, the install program loads.

Then you come to the screen where it says press enter to install, etc. I press enter. Nothing happens. Pressing any key has no effect. It doesn't seem to be reading the keyboard.

Can anyone help? This is really disappointing.

 

[Billy Boo Bob]

You mean you don't know about the famous Thread #500? Don't worry, as you progress out of newbie-dom you will soon know that infamous MacRumors number off the top of your head like everyone else here!

Hehe. That's the one. I did read through all the posts here and saw it referenced a few times, but didn't go to it. I guess I was trying to get to the end of this thread, which was quite a chase the first couple of days. Every time I would read through a page then jump to the next page, another one or two had been added.

So, I'll brush off the dirt from the initiation kick in the butt and consider myself educated.

Edit: Well, I read through some of thread 500, and I may have over-estimated the failure% rate. Maybe closer to 50%.

I don't have the time to check myself, but it would be real interesting to see how many of the people who predicted the iPod would bomb in that thread are the same ones predicting OS X's death here.

 

[janstett]

Short term, this will lead to more Mac sales, no question. This means more people running OS X. Long term, this can either mean (a) more Mac OS X apps because the market is bigger or (b) fewer Mac OS X apps as app developers use the "just boot windows" excuse.

Actually, this brings up an important marketing point. One that Microsoft has leveraged for years.

Apple will sell a copy of OSX for every Macintosh sold -- even if those Macintoshes will be immediately reformatted for Windows-only. Let's say 5 million people buy Macs and 3 million of them go Windows-only on them. Apple can still say there are 5 million OSX users even if there are now only 2 milion. This is a powerful lever to use against software vendors and others in the behind-the-scenes world.

Microsoft did this in the old days -- even if you bought a PC to run OS/2 or Linux, you had bought a license for Windows built into the PC and were counted as part of the user base.

 

[janstett]

If I like the demo, I will let the developer know that I tried it, enjoyed it, and "eagerly await the Mac veersion so I can buy a copy".

Which means waiting longer to play a game you alredy played and are capable of playing at any moment without any further work.

I don't see very many development houses following your logic.

 

[janstett]

One more thing... Does anyone else feel that what made Apple so special was that windows users couldn't lay their lame hands on it? Apple used to be so high class. Now they have attracted a bad element.

That's what I always hated about Apple owners, their self-gratifying image problem. I avoided Apple like the plague and hoped for its death for 25 years. Apple II owners were pricks too, looking down on the C64 and Atari guys. Then last year I bought a Mac Mini and now I have a MacBook Pro. I figured it was time to let bygones be bygones and just enjoy the Mac. I see I may have been premature.

You bought into the marketing lie and cloaked yourself in a brand. Buy Bose much?

 

[Cooknn]

You bought into the marketing lie and cloaked yourself in a brand. Buy Bose much?

Heh. That's good It took a lot for me to break out of the Bose marketing lie as well. Bought some killer HT speakers from HSU Technologies - but that's too far off topic... For me it's all about OS X. I bought my first Mac over two years ago just so I could have the operating system. Yeah, Apple is a hardware company - but I would venture to guess that the majority of users buy the hardware to get the software - well the OS. No marketing hype there - all the spin in the world still won't do justice to what I believe is the best OS in existence.

Running Windows on a Mac isn't what it's about for me. Now, running OS X on a PC... that would be a different story

 

[Digitalclips]

Cloning a Mac drive with Boot Camp

Has anyone tried cloning the whole drive to see if it takes clones the XP area too once it is set up? This would be a great answer to getting virus attacks in Windows area. Simply restore from back up... I assume the VM solution would be easily cloned as with VPC but the Boot Camp may be a different animal. I use SuperDuper.

 

[Super78]

3dsmax8 on a MAC

Major moment in CGI history.

Super 78 ran MAX 8 natively on a Apple Macbook Pro 2.0.

The laptop render speed is 90% of a new Render Boxx Dual Opteron. Attached is the first native MAX on a Mac render. VRAY, Hairf/x, motion blur./

 

[Digitalclips]

That's Funny

That's what I always hated about Apple owners, their self-gratifying image problem. I avoided Apple like the plague and hoped for its death for 25 years. Apple II owners were pricks too, looking down on the C64 and Atari guys. Then last year I bought a Mac Mini and now I have a MacBook Pro. I figured it was time to let bygones be bygones and just enjoy the Mac. I see I may have been premature.

You bought into the marketing lie and cloaked yourself in a brand. Buy Bose much?

Loved your perspective from history. I always hated the non Apple ][ folks! In England they all loved the BBC micro (really they just couldn't afford an Apple). I also recall the howls about the mouse when the Mac Plus came out... 'Real Computer users will never use a mouse they'd cry' Ha ha!

I loved my Apple ][e and my Apple /// and my Lisa and all my Macs since then. Good to see even more the unwashed drooling over Macs now they can use the excuse of running a bit of PC software when needed

 

[cann11]

Loved your perspective from history. I always hated the non Apple ][ folks! In England they all loved the BBC micro (really they just couldn't afford an Apple). I also recall the howls about the mouse when the Mac Plus came out... 'Real Computer users will never use a mouse they'd cry' Ha ha!

I loved my Apple ][e and my Apple /// and my Lisa and all my Macs since then. Good to see even more the unwashed drooling over Macs now they can use the excuse of running a bit of PC software when needed

I think the both the boot camp is lame group and the boot camp is better than slice bread may be missing something I just realized.

1) Will boot camp be downloaded and USED by hordes of mac uses... Downloaded yes, used regularly probably not.

2) Will mac sales suddenly accelerate.. Probably not.

3) will there be a shake up in the gaming community.. Probably remember how we used to dual boot into dos before direct x.

But here's something else to consider...

Ibook sales, Many a colledge student, mine included, would rather have a nice new intel ibook than a windows laptop to go with there ipods. In fact just a week ago we were trying to make this decision, problem is a lot of the software that universites provide or require is windows only. Suddenly this is a none issue. We will be getting an intel ibook (when they are released) and an additional copy of xp pro.
I can imagine a lot of students buying nice new sleek imacs for their dorms now too.

Also , apple now has the smallest profile xp machine, the mac mini. go figure.

 

[milo]

1) The icon bar at the bottom hides essential pieces of information like the print icon so you have to move the print dialogue so you can just see the icon
2) It never works on the internet properly despite making sure I downloaded the latest browser
3) Entorage is unstable
4) Its difficult to network with a PC
5) You can't find anything to run on it without paying through the nose
6) It hangs up a lot with that irritating rotaing icon thingy and how do you force quit again (everyonre knows how to ctrl alt delete but you have to search on google to find out how to do this with a mac)
7) I know how to use PC's and how to do things with folders, files etc-can't work out OS whatever
8) The mouse has only one button-what?

1 You can move the dock to either side of the screen, or have it auto hide.
4 You just need to figure that out, it's actually pretty easy. Go to versiontracker and download Sharepoints, it makes it even easier.
5 What app are you looking for that you can't find?
6 If you can't remember the key for force quit, you can do it either from the Apple menu or by holding the icon in the dock until the menu shows up
7 Well, you just need to learn then, don't you?
8 The latest macs ship with two button mouse, you can also use any USB mouse and it will work fine.

Seriously, you'd have a much easier time using the machine (and could keep it instead of wasting money by getting rid of it) if you'd just ask questions instead of just complaining. I assume it's a G5 mac, not an intel one?

 

[Charleson Mambo]

Which means waiting longer to play a game you alredy played and are capable of playing at any moment without any further work.

1. I'll be waiting for the Mac version after playing the demo (you know, those crippled versions and not quite ready betas they give out as ads), not the "real" game.

2. Like I'm not already waiting for Mac versions of games now. Not playing those games hasn't hurt me one bit so far.

I don't see very many development houses following your logic.

I don't want them to follow my logic, I want them to follow my money.


Charleson Mambo

 

[MacRumorsReader]

1. I'll be waiting for the Mac version after playing the demo (you know, those crippled versions and not quite ready betas they give out as ads), not the "real" game.

2. Like I'm not already waiting for Mac versions of games now. Not playing those games hasn't hurt me one bit so far.



I don't want them to follow my logic, I want them to follow my money.


Charleson Mambo

EXACTLY

The problem is that there currently isn't a market for Mac games. As Mac market share increases (and it will) and we hound Developers to make Mac releases they will follow the money.

 

[~Shard~]

Hehe. That's the one. I did read through all the posts here and saw it referenced a few times, but didn't go to it. I guess I was trying to get to the end of this thread, which was quite a chase the first couple of days. Every time I would read through a page then jump to the next page, another one or two had been added.

So, I'll brush off the dirt from the initiation kick in the butt and consider myself educated.

Edit: Well, I read through some of thread 500, and I may have over-estimated the failure% rate. Maybe closer to 50%.

I don't have the time to check myself, but it would be real interesting to see how many of the people who predicted the iPod would bomb in that thread are the same ones predicting OS X's death here.

Heh heh - no worries. Yes, it is quite interesting to read through those comments, and as you say, it would be interesting to see how many people made negative comments in both that and this thread.

 

[Lara F]

Already the first person I mentioned this news to said he was now interested in buying a Mac as his next computer. (It came up because he was planning on getting an iPod soon.)

I really think this is going to be huge. For my part I'm very happy as I also have some programs/files I can only open in Windows. And I'd love to dump my bulky Toshiba laptop within the next year, definitely once the RevB MacBook is out with Leopard. Yay!!!

 

[Platform]

Can anyone check if this is a record for thread lenght??

Well well..here we go....

But no...Dual 2.5Ghz PM shipping has about 2500 posts