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Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

Mainstream News Media!

This caught me by surprise as I walked by a newspaper box at work today. If it hadn't been for Katie Couric, the Apple story may have been the lead headline! :eek:
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Am I the *only* one who cant get this to work?

Dual Core Mac Mini..

XP Just hangs at the point where it tries to install the "Mobile Intel(R) 945GM Express Chipset Family" driver from the drivers CD that I burnt from the Boot Camp app.

Anyone else got this?

Makes me realise just why I love my Macs.. although if I could just play Civ4 :)

/DavidRB
 
Why?

Why is there so much Hype here (and everywhere else) about Windows. It's windows for ****'s sake!
 
The Dawn of True Convergence

I'm sure this post will get lost in the ether... but I was reading over on PVR Wire about a dual-tuner NVIDIA card.

We've all been worrying about software and development and rightly so. I wonder though if there's a new market for hardware developers. Think of a company like NVIDIA, they could now make video boards for the upcoming PowerMac that not only take advantage of the superior Apple firepower in a mac, but also keep them in-line with their advancements on the PC side (gamers, perk up your ears). In the end, Boot Camp isn't really about pushing one agenda past another, it's bigger than that. Is it possible that Boot Camp is just the opening salvo in the Convergence Wars? A unified appliance that brings together all the software, all the media and all the hardware - is customizable, scalable and upgradeable.

Last night I priced out a fully-optioned Mini, $1400 or so, that I could use not only for my Mac needs (research, video editing), but also for my Windows needs (Chyron's Lyric software, www.chyron.com). Satisfies my primary needs almost completely in a low-priced, quiet, sleek and easily operational platform. Down the road, stack two Minis for parallel-peformance in video rendering and add a third as a whole-house server. Boot into any of 3 different OS's, use one as a DVR or media server, on and on...
 
Abercrombieboy said:
Hmmm...if enough people think like that...it just might mean the end to Mac development on those software titles or the hope that a Mac version will ever be developed. If people buy the Windows version instead of the MacOSX version, why should they bother making them? I guess Apple finally realized they lost the OS war years ago and now is finally conforming to what is considered the "world standard."
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I doubt it. Realisticly each platform has their own superior software. Windows has its games, Office, and a few other industry require things. (My Lexmark cert software as an example.) OS X has iLife, aperture (That will mature with age.), OS X (Nache.), and a ton of other apps that simply aren't available for Windows. For me its only a matter of time before I get a 160GB hard drive in my Macbook and get some breathing room again at which point everything gets reloaded. Then add Macdrive to XP and you are set.
 
sbb155 said:
1. Why are G5 people upset? I thought you all hated windows.
2. For corporate users, like me, can anyone tell me how powerpoint and office run?
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I think my G5 is great....and why do you need PowerPoint under Windows....there is a Mac version ;)
 
OMG...some of you people really do amaze me with your chicken little BS.

My wife and I are buying two new Intel Macs (primarily will run OS X). We are doing so BECAUSE of this announcement. We love the Mac experience, but had started to convert everything back to Windows as our Macs grew older. Why? Because we couldn't get away from using Windows on at least a limited basis for our jobs and for gaming.

We could not afford the time, money, or office space to continue purchasing BOTH a Windows PC and a current model Mac as well as occasionally duplicating software licenses for both platforms. BootCamp has solved all that for us and now we can have ONE unified system that will run Mac OS X primarily and still allow us the flexibility of running WinXP when we want to (or have to).

This isn't the doom of the Mac platform. It is a very smart and extremely beneficial move for Apple's future. The more people see how Mac OS X works the more converts you will have. The largest barrier to entry has always been compatibility with the Windows world. Symbolically speaking, Steve Jobs has just torn down something the size of the Berlin Wall. Everything the guy touches turns to gold. I don't see any reason for you Apple faithful to start doubting him now.
 
I came across so many nice quips about Boot Camp, it almost seemed like a book being reviewed. So, if it was a book, here's what I'd imagine the backcover would look like:
 

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I'm an Apple shareholder, like many of the people on Macrumors. My feeling is that this is the most significant development for Apple as a company since the introduction of the iPod. I imagine that they won't market it until Leopard is released.

The days of people "on the fence" about switching are over....you can have the best of both worlds. "My kids use Macs at school but I use a PC at work....." Solution, buy a Mac. "I want to get into digital photography, and iPhoto looks cool, but I've had all my finances on Quicken and I'm scared to switch" Solution, buy a Mac.

Apple will likely be the largest manufacturer of personal computers within 5 years.

It's a remarkable time for Apple.
 
no sound

hey ppl,

ive successfully booted windows xp on my macbook pro 2ghz/2gb ram - works perfectly, extremely fast and all the games work great!

ONE PROBLEM however. I cant get the sound to work! :confused: The start up theme occurs when logging in but thats it. The sound cards/drivers are there, the volume controls are all on high but theres no sound coming out at all. any ideas or ppl with similar problems? cant get help anywhere...cheers
 
Shouldn't we be looking to go the other direction?

I know we are all geeked about boot camp but shouldn't we be trying to get the Mac OS on a more powerful PC Dual Core than going the opposite direction with XP on a Mac? Imagine a 3.6 Dual Core Dell running OSX with the latest Video Cards. Talk about a beast!

When I first heard the news it seemed like a concession to the hackers after Apple's original stance was the Mac would not support Windows.

Truth be told I feel lied to by Apple for years now. First it was we couldn't compare the processing power of the mac to PC because of the architecture. Now its "Intel is soo much faster".

How do we destroy the beast that is Windows when we get all geeked up and ballyhoo the ability to run the bloated virus and security prone OS on our precious Macs. Why should I continue to spend and extra grand on slower hardware just to run Windows?
 
blazewon22 said:
I know we are all geeked about boot camp but shouldn't we be trying to get the Mac OS on a more powerful PC Dual Core than going the opposite direction with XP on a Mac? Imagine a 3.6 Dual Core Dell running OSX with the latest Video Cards. Talk about a beast!

When I first heard the news it seemed like a concession to the hackers after Apple's original stance was the Mac would not support Windows.

Truth be told I feel lied to by Apple for years now. First it was we couldn't compare the processing power of the mac to PC because of the architecture. Now its "Intel is soo much faster".

How do we destroy the beast that is Windows when we get all geeked up and ballyhoo the ability to run the bloated virus and security prone OS on our precious Macs. Why should I continue to spend and extra grand on slower hardware just to run Windows?
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I'm not sure how I would feel if someone came up with a way to do it. I think tons of PC users would buy OSX to install on their PC's which would much cheaper then switching. This means that Apple would earn less money off these "switchers" then if they had gone out and bought a Mac Mini and installed XP on it.
Also, the more people installing Mac OSX on their PC's would mean a much bigger target for viruses, hackers and the like?
Is it just me, or does anyone else think that Apple would stop, or a least not support it like they did with Boot Camp, installing OSX on a dell/sony/gateway/etc?
 
XP working great

I installed xp home using bootcamp today on my new intel imac and it worked flawlessly. The bad (or good) thing is that xp seems to run so much faster than os x. I've used windows machines for years and just recently made the switch. It will be great to have the option of using both systems on the same machine. They both have their good and bad points so now I can get the best of both worlds. Fantastic. The only odd thing that happened is that my clock was wrong when I loaded os x after running windows but it self corrected. I think Apple makes mention of that happening on the instructions.
 
haztastic said:
ONE PROBLEM however. I cant get the sound to work! :confused: The start up theme occurs when logging in but thats it. The sound cards/drivers are there, the volume controls are all on high but theres no sound coming out at all. any ideas or ppl with similar problems? cant get help anywhere...cheers
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I'd try looking over at MacFixIt.com. The last couple daily recaps I got seem to be loaded with both Boot Camp and Parallels Workstation issues / solutions. Maybe try MacInTouch.com, too.
 
JGowan said:
I take issue with a gross oversight on Apple's part. At the boot-up screen, Windows is the LEFT icon to choose and Apple the RIGHT. I think since most people read Left-to-right, "Macintosh HD" should've been on the LEFT side.
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The Boot Screen doesn't come up unless you hold down the Option key to start with, so unless someone was wanting to boot differntly than normal they wouldn't get the choice. It's not like the computer is going to ask them on every boot from now on what OS they want and Windows is already highlighted. I bet it is influenced by which OS is defined as the default, too. So if you had Windows as the default OS and held in the option key on boot, maybe OSX would be first>
 
OS X vs Windows Performance on a Mac [MacWorld Expo]

Oh baby with all of you still making me drool 3yrs & counting (brief 3 month excursion to Mac OS X 10.1.5) are any of you just waiting to see Apple present say 4 machines (Gateway, Dell, Dell's Alienware, etc) vs there's for WinXP performance on a Mac?!

Match this:

Photoshop on WinXP > Dell vs Alienware vs Gateway vs Apple
& Other OS Apps (likely on equal spec laptops just to show the disparity.)

Then offset that performance of doing the same Windows based task (ie movie to DVD authoring, etc) vs Mac OS X's tools to do the same and show the quality & timing variable.

Then finally bring out the BIG guns and show them up .... with ....

Alienware's then current (Aug '06) Top Desktop.
Dell's then current top XPS system.
Gateway's then current top Desktop.
vs
Apple's new DUAL quad-core Mac! (30th Anniversary celebrated machine)!!

Sorry with so many specific threads already showing this I wasnt sure if a new thread or post would be better.
 
Maybe a pun?

SeaFox said:
The Boot Screen doesn't come up unless you hold down the Option key to start with, so unless someone was wanting to boot differntly than normal they wouldn't get the choice. It's not like the computer is going to ask them on every boot from now on what OS they want and Windows is already highlighted. I bet it is influenced by which OS is defined as the default, too. So if you had Windows as the default OS and held in the option key on boot, maybe OSX would be first>
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Or maybe it's a little pun on Apple's part.....OS X is on the right because it is the "right" OS choice out of the two? :rolleyes:

I know, I know....it's campy...but that's what I'd do. :D
 
A few months ago I found out that the company I work for was getting ready to spend a few million on new computers.

I ended up with a $3700 ToughBook and I am sure glad that it's pedestal mounted, becasue i would sure hate to carry it every where.

I told our regional supervisor and a few close co-works that they REALLY should hold off till spring.

Well spring has sprung and lookee here folks.

Apple has done a very good job of sewing seeds
and now it's time to grow.
 
Wrong Decision!!

If my English is not proper, I am sorry for that.
I am not native, so please let me excuse.

I think Apple made a wrong decision. :mad:

How the Apple vice president can think "We think Boot Camp makes the Mac even more appealing to Windows users considering making the switch." ?

I think it will turn out to be very opposite. The switched users (from Win to Mac) will switch back using Windows once again. Although, they will love the intel Mac and Design of Apple machine and love to use windows under the great Apple machine.

Also, now Microsoft (Adobe or other software company etc…) has a reason to stop making software for Mac OS because Apple machine can run Windows. They do not want to make software for Mac OS due to cost reduction.

For people who play games under XP on Apple machine , who will restart your computer to use Mac OS for internet or Microsoft office? If I play games under XP, I will use Internet and office under XP also. I do not want to restart computer again and again.

I am big apple fan, and I have been using Mac for 8 years; however, this is very sad news for me.
 
Oh the doom... Oh the gloom... Oh the BS

It just amazes me how much doom and gloom I read in the multiple threads here and on other sites.

I wish I knew where to find the link, but I think it was during MWSF 05 that someone posted a link to an archive of a "live" thread (during keynote) going on from a few years earlier when the first iPod was introduced. 80 - 90% of the messages were all:

"Who's going to buy this junk?"... "Nobody will ever buy this thing."... "There goes the Mac OS. Apple's turning into a gadget company."... "I'll never buy one of these things."...

Well, "Nobody" bought millions of them, and "Nobody" bought a BILLION songs at iTMS.

This sounds like the same exact FUD. "Nobody is going to develop for OS X any more."... "Big houses are just going to tell you to load XP / Vista on your Mac if you want to use their software."...

What a load of crap. As mentioned before, Adobe had to see this coming. Do you really think they would have started on Lightbox for OS X only (with a Windows version coming out "later on") if they were going to just tell you to use the Windows version? And this is after Apple has already released a major competitor.

Even if Adobe (foolishly) decided to abandon OS X development of all their apps, don't you think Apple has replacements in the works? Same for MS and Office? They may not be ready to release tomorrow, but I would bet a dollar to your dime that OS X running on Intel isn't the only big thing that's been hiding away in secret, "just in case". Take a look at the quality of their pro apps. I'm sure they could come up with a viable replacement for all the missing heavy duty apps in no time, including all the MacroMedia ones Adobe bought. And if not Apple, sombody else will. Right now, as long as Adobe is still producing, it's not worth trying to compete. But if they abandoned the Mac market and left a void, someone will fill it.

The day Adobe tells major publishers to dump their recently purchased Quad G5s (which will be good, strong workhorses for many years to come) and replace them all with Intel Macs just to run XP or Vista for their apps is the day a HUGE number of their customers tell them to go #$%* themselves. We'll find something else. The same goes for most other "heavy duty" apps not made by Adobe or MS's MBU (Maya comes to mind). This just ain't gonna happen.

You doom-sayers act like every single Mac user is going to run right out and get an Intel Mac next week. And every single Mac user is going to buy Windoze to use with Boot Camp or Parallels Workstation "to be ready for it". I'd be surprised if 5% of all Mac users use them (either one) on a daily basis (perhaps not counting serious gamers). The number of people who have to for work or school purposes is just not that great. Those same people are excited about this, as they should be, but still, it's going to be a small number of people (note that I say "use it daily").

As was mentioned (maybe in this thread, maybe another (I've browsed so many of them lately))... "You couldn't pay me enough to adopt Windows as my main OS".
 
Finch said:
Also, now Microsoft (Adobe or other software company etc…) has a reason to stop making software for Mac OS because Apple machine can run Windows. They do not want to make software for Mac OS due to cost reduction.
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I disagree. These companies are already making Windows versions of their software. Before there was Boot Camp, you didn't hear them saying "Why don't you just go out and buy a Windows computer to run our software?", did you? And any good app provider won't do that now that there's Boot Camp either...
 
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