Apple Releases Boot Camp Beta

[RitchieDeMan]

I put it on, installed it, installed xp and I'm happy now. I still do most of my work in osx, but its nice not having to boot up my laptop if I need to do something in windows.

I put it on, installed it started surfing , got a virus, got millions of pop ups, totally lost control with all the spyware and warning pop-ups and it froze up twice.

It's nice to have so that I can say "I've Got Windoze XP on my Mac", but that's as far as it goes.

Glad I can just restart and up comes my faithful Mac OS X.

*EDIT* To top it off I got the Blue Screen of death! I've never shouted at my computer before!

 

[^squirrel^]

I put it on, installed it started surfing , got a virus, got millions of pop ups, totally lost control with all the spyware and warning pop-ups and it froze up twice.

It's nice to have so that I can say "I've Got Windoze XP on my Mac", but that's as far as it goes.

Glad I can just restart and up comes my faithful Mac OS X.

Typical Mac fan boy response.

There are god know how many million Windows users out there that could easily surf the net and go as they would normally do on any machine and not get a virus.

If you don't use your common sense and take the necessary precautions for virus's and pop ups then that is your fault.

I have windows running on my AMD 64 machine that has been running for 9 months, not once have i been infected with a virus and i could probably count the crashes on one hand.

Can't wait to see how mac people handle a virus when the become widley available for their platform.

 

[RitchieDeMan]

Typical Mac fan boy response.
If you don't use your common sense and take the necessary precautions for virus's and pop ups then that is your fault.



But you see I don't have to go to all that bother with my Mac.... and yes after my few hours with Windows I certainly am a "Mac Fan Boy"

 

[Bosunsfate]

I put it on, installed it started surfing , got a virus, got millions of pop ups, totally lost control with all the spyware and warning pop-ups and it froze up twice.

It's nice to have so that I can say "I've Got Windoze XP on my Mac", but that's as far as it goes.

Glad I can just restart and up comes my faithful Mac OS X.

*EDIT* To top it off I got the Blue Screen of death! I've never shouted at my computer before!

I'm not a fan of windows, but what's your point? That windows sucks or that people who don't know what they are doing screw their computers up?

Your post reads like the later, which leads me to ask, why did you install Windows in the first place?

 

[janstett]

Loved your perspective from history. I always hated the non Apple ][ folks! In England they all loved the BBC micro (really they just couldn't afford an Apple).

I would disagree. Apple owners paid more for not a lot more of computer power and cloaked themselves in perceived brand superiority. I had access to Apple IIc and then IIe in a computer lab, I didn't find the II to be all that special or impressive. I had an Atari and one of my best friends had a C64; I felt they both offerred more features for far less money. Of course the kid in the computer club whose parents bought him Apple gear always thought he was better than everybody else. I think his name was Ross? No matter.

I didn't like the Apple II much -- although I did like the opening hood for expansion cards. I didn't like the low fidelity speaker being built in with no audio out, something Atari and Commodore did. I did write an edutainment game on the Apple II as a project, and I didn't find it to be so great. Let alone that the joystick was socketed into the motherboard, not a simple 9-pin Atari style... Anyway, old war wounds My point was that Apple guys then wrapped themselves in the Apple flag when the product wasn't neccessarily superior. The more things change, the more they stay the same

 

[janstett]

My solution to this is that I don't run those apps, if it's not made for a mac than it's not worth my time.

Sigh... Back when I was an OS/2 zealot I thought like this. Then I realized, the reason I have a computer to run useful and compelling applications, not to be a foot soldier in a holy war for a brand.

 

[shanmui1]

Just a thought, not sure if anyone else suggested it, will it be feasible for Apple to offer OEM WinXP for $100 at their stores as an accessory?

 

[(L)]

Re fears that development of Mac-native apps will diminish: no way. It will INCREASE because of Boot Camp.

Demand for native Mac apps will increase faster than ever now, and demand drives sales. Developers won't turn away now!

The only way demand for native Mac apps would decrease is if the number of Mac users willing to "settle for Windows" increases FASTER than the overall growth of the Mac OS X user base.

Settling for Windows means rebooting, giving up iLife and all your Mac apps, abandoning the security and ease of use of OS X, and--don't forget--PAYING for a copy of Windows. That's too much to settle for unless you have to. And then you'll do it only WHEN you have to. Not by choice. You will still demand OS X and OS X apps.

So I see the number of Mac users willing to settle for Windows being VERY small, increased only slightly by people now choosing Boot Camp Macs for their next "PC." (A great many of them will end up using Mac OS X even if that wasn't their intent at first.)

Meanwhile I see the overall Mac user base growing a LOT--and growing even more because Boot Camp gives switchers a reassuring safety net.

Result: more Mac OS X users, more Mac OS X apps. Not less.

Also, the smart buying plan for Windows Vista fans is now clear for 2006: You can't buy a Vista PC this year, so don't waste your money on XP, buy a PC that doesn't have Windows at all--a Mac--and enjoy it until Vista arrives You get the best of all worlds... and you may find you don't care so much about Vista after all...

I think you've hit the nail on the head here.

Just imagine a switcher that bought Windows to run on his new Mac. OK, so now he installs all his old software. Windows continues to be a mysterious turdpile of software poo, and it comes time to upgrade the software. Half of them have better counterparts on the Mac platform, and the other half either don't or the Mac versions/counterparts reek, so he just upgrades to the windows version, or forgets about them. Coulpla years of this and developers will start switching quick. The larger the Mac Market Share, the quicker - but as long as there are people who prefer OS X, that will drive the devs, so dev switching is bound to happen.

 

[dogsbody]

Just a thought, not sure if anyone else suggested it, will it be feasible for Apple to offer OEM WinXP for $100 at their stores as an accessory?

That'd be fantastic. I can't believe how much Windows XP costs...

I suppose at the very least they might start selling it on the Apple Store online with some sort of discount (probably mail-in rebate).

 

[dogsbody]

...Windows continues to be a mysterious turdpile of software poo...

Can we nominate Macrumors members for awards? This is the funniest thing I've read all day - and considering how little work I've done and how much Internet surfing I've been doing, that says an awful lot!

Nice.

 

[sixstorm]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

 

[whooleytoo]

I think you've hit the nail on the head here.

Just imagine a switcher that bought Windows to run on his new Mac. OK, so now he installs all his old software. Windows continues to be a mysterious turdpile of software poo, and it comes time to upgrade the software. Half of them have better counterparts on the Mac platform, and the other half either don't or the Mac versions/counterparts reek, so he just upgrades to the windows version, or forgets about them. Coulpla years of this and developers will start switching quick. The larger the Mac Market Share, the quicker - but as long as there are people who prefer OS X, that will drive the devs, so dev switching is bound to happen.

It's also possible the opposite will happen, and some Mac users who've installed Boot Camp & Windows on their Macs just for gaming, might find that the hassles of Windows are less than the hassles of rebooting back into OSX to check their mail and surf the net.

It's all just speculation at this point over how this will pan out, but one thing is certain - this was a very, very gutsy move by Apple.

 

[weldon]

Just a thought, not sure if anyone else suggested it, will it be feasible for Apple to offer OEM WinXP for $100 at their stores as an accessory?

Probably not because the license for the OEM version says you have to provide support if you sell to the end-user. Newegg.com and others get around this by maintaining that they are selling components to system builders.

 

[weldon]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

If you read around a little bit you'll find the directions to create a SP2 install disc by taking your original install CD's and "slipstreaming" the SP2 updates with them to burn a new SP2 installer. Microsoft provides this feature mostly for corporate users that want to create a current install disc with all of the latest updates and hotfixes already in the install package. Of course, you can take advantage of this as well and legally create a SP2 install using your original discs.

 

[PCMacUser]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

Ha ha, WHOA! That's the first time I've heard someone complaining in these forums that XP has too much anti-virus, firewall and security!

 

[Peace]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

Why would any software company or hardware company increase support for an older version of an O/S ?

 

[whooleytoo]

Ha ha, WHOA! That's the first time I've heard someone complaining in these forums that XP has too much anti-virus, firewall and security!

Probably 'cos all the rest can't even get onto the Internet to complain!

 

[k3nx]

Uh...

Typical Mac fan boy response.

Isn't this a Mac Fanboy/girl website - duh!

 

[plinden]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

I guess I agree with you about SP2, I didn't install until our IT dept made us all "upgrade", but you're stuck with using it now. The best thing to do is to slipstream an SP2 CDROM.

Do you have access to a Windows PC? If so, download nlite from www.nliteos.com. It's the easiest way I found for slipstreaming an SP2 disk. It creates a bootable ISO.

Or if you don't have access to a PC, you might be able to do it (again with nlite) using an earlier version of Win XP in a Parallels VM ... but I haven't done that and I'm not sure about the disk burning ability, since there are still problems with CDROM drives.

If anyone can figure out a way of getting files off a Parallels VM onto the Mac, you could burn the iso using the Mac OS disk utility.

 

[avensis087]

i purchased a set of discs from my school's computing/software department. one disc being M$ Windows XP Professional and the other disc being Windows XP Professional x64 edition. i've already gone through boot camp and loaded xp professional on my imac and it worked flawlessly. i'm curious if anybody knows any advantages/disadvantages/possibilities of being able to upgrade to the x64 edition? even possible? thanks.

mr

 

[mac jones]

What is absolutely going to freak me out is that now these boards will be both for Windows and OSX.....forever

LOL

 

[ManchesterTrix]

i purchased a set of discs from my school's computing/software department. one disc being M$ Windows XP Professional and the other disc being Windows XP Professional x64 edition. i've already gone through boot camp and loaded xp professional on my imac and it worked flawlessly. i'm curious if anybody knows any advantages/disadvantages/possibilities of being able to upgrade to the x64 edition? even possible? thanks.

mr

The current Intel Macs don't have 64 bit chips.

 

[Abu Reno]

Internet Connection?

Just installed Windows XP SP2 on my IMAC and can't connect to the internet. Anyone have this problem. I called my local ISP and told me that I'm missing software? How could that be.

 

[Bosunsfate]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

Yea, I know...I'm totally bummed too. I wanted to install Win95 so I could surf the web.....

 

[contoursvt]

Well, I finally got my Intel iMac and found out that Boot Camp only works with XP with SP2. WTF Apple? Not only is that retarded but SP2 sucks. It's a system hog!!! All that anti-virus, firewall and security center stuff is just a joke. Anyways, I have 2 versions of XP and I guess I can't install it cuz they don't have SP2 . . . what a let down. Anyone know if they will increase support later?

Damn you're right. All those bad things like integrated firewall features that you can enable or disable if you wish, or security that watches to ensure your antivirus software is not somehow comprimised. Also who wants more security built into IE. Sure as hell not me. Also I dont want my 60Mhz computer to slow down because of all these giant resource hungry services.

PS. I'm a PC user and I can tell you that SP2 is the single biggest improvement to XP to ever come about. If your system sucks that bad that you feel a slowdown, then you have other problems to worry about like a hardware upgrade.