Apple Releases Core 2 Duo iMac, Adds 24" Model
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philipcolett
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I currently have a Macbook Black with 2GB ram. I am planning on getting a 20" iMac. Can I use the same ram? I see that on the support page, the iMac uses PC-5400, but in my macbook it uses PC-5300, are they the same?
Also, on an unrelated note, does anyone recommend a certain cleaning material? I have been using the Costco Lens Cleaner kit with their cloths, or the Zeiss lens cleaning cloths that are approved for LCD's. Is that Monster iClean any good. Thanks
Also, on an unrelated note, does anyone recommend a certain cleaning material? I have been using the Costco Lens Cleaner kit with their cloths, or the Zeiss lens cleaning cloths that are approved for LCD's. Is that Monster iClean any good. Thanks
Evangelion said:
Windows fanclub means supporting Windows or continuously bashing Apple...if you qualify or not I have no clue...after all, as the beloved "president" of "america" once said: "you're either with us or against us"...hehehe, I am kidding, of course...Dubya is as stupid as it gets...
Evangelion
macrumors 68040
BRLawyer said:
If the person supported Windows, then yes, he could be in a "Windows Fanclub". But just "bashing" Apple does not qualify. And I don't think anyone has been "bashing" Apple here. What you see as "bashing" is merely some people who are critiquing something Apple did or did not do. Hell, it just might be an user who is not a foaming-at-the-mouth fanboy! Just because we use Apple-products and/or hang around in Mac-related web-forum does NOT mean that we should unconditionally love everything Apple does and/or make ludicrous claims when it comes to their products.
Yes, Apple makes fine computers and software. No, they are not some uber-computers or uber-software that will annihilate every other piece of software and hardware. And no, thinking like that does NOT mean that I'm "bashing" Apple.
I say all this as a card-carrying member of Finnish Mac User Group AND Finnish Linux User Group.
Evangelion
macrumors 68040
BRLawyer said:
So, you are not one bit better than those "Apple bashers" and "Windows fanboys" you talked about? And I don't really see what's there to "despise" in Linux. I might understand someone hating Windows/Microsoft, due to the monopolistic practises and mediocrity, but I can't see those in Linux. If anything, Linux tries to be top-notch citizen in the OS-market, and it actually tries to co-exist with other OS'es, while doing it's best to actually protect it's users from vendor lock-in and other things like that. Why the hate? Seriously?
And I have used OS X extensively. I see a fine OS, but I do not see "heaven". But that does not mean that I "despise" it.
BRLawyer said:Relax, Evangelion...as much as I despise Winblows (and Linux, for that matter), I am sure its users still have the possibility to know OS X and go to the heaven of IT...
By the way, Finnish girls are really nice...too bad they are also so feminist...perkele!
Well, I work in IT taking care of servers and networks. The Xserves we have are alot more temperamental then the Linux machines, and maintaining them (for most tasks) is quite annoying. As a fileserver (for afp) xserve does a great job, and maintaining rights is easy. For samba it sucks though.
First Post + Question
Hey Ya'll,
This is my first post to the board. Have been reading for a while and it's been invaluable in heightening my awareness of Mac (and related products) as well as keeping me intrigued about the latest releases. So thanks!
Now that the 24" iMac has been released I'm uber excited and want one immediately. (But will wait till after next Tuesday to see what gets shuttled out the door then; may change my mind!) But in regards to the iMac I was thinking of upgrading to a very similar system that Joseph mentions above. (Let me preface my questions by saying I only made it to post #575 before passing out, so if they've been answered I apologize!) But on the Apple.com.au website in the "Learn More" section about memory when you're customizing the 24" version it says, "Choose the standard 1GB of memory if you'll be photo editing, gaming, creating illustrations or building complex presentations. And if you'd like the flexibility of easily adding more memory in the future, keep two memory slots open by selecting the 1 SO-DIMM (rather than 2x512 SO-DIMMs) option." Since my current PowerBook G4 has 2x256 in it I don't want to experience that feeling of wasted RAM again. However, where/how do I select the 1 SO-DIMM option (keeping the two other slots free and upgradeable) instead of popping 2x512s in there as the 1GB option that's listed on the site. Has anyone else noticed this? Have I found a loop hole, or just confused myself and appeared stupid in my first post?
Secondly, as a pretty light user, about as heavy as I get is an occasional trip through Photoshop and some very basic and light Final Cut Pro use, do I need the suggested upgrades for things like e-mail, web surfing, dvd watching, Word, chatting, iTunes playlist making, and photo editing? Where should I make the scale backs to save a bit of cash, because in Australia even with the educational discount it still appears to be more expensive than the regularly priced US model! Egads!
Anyway, sorry this is such a long and rambling post, and probably people are through reading this thread by now anyway, and I'll disappear into oblivion. But if not, any info would be much appreciated. Cheers!
Jedsh03
Josephkyles said:
Hey Ya'll,
This is my first post to the board. Have been reading for a while and it's been invaluable in heightening my awareness of Mac (and related products) as well as keeping me intrigued about the latest releases. So thanks!
Now that the 24" iMac has been released I'm uber excited and want one immediately. (But will wait till after next Tuesday to see what gets shuttled out the door then; may change my mind!) But in regards to the iMac I was thinking of upgrading to a very similar system that Joseph mentions above. (Let me preface my questions by saying I only made it to post #575 before passing out, so if they've been answered I apologize!) But on the Apple.com.au website in the "Learn More" section about memory when you're customizing the 24" version it says, "Choose the standard 1GB of memory if you'll be photo editing, gaming, creating illustrations or building complex presentations. And if you'd like the flexibility of easily adding more memory in the future, keep two memory slots open by selecting the 1 SO-DIMM (rather than 2x512 SO-DIMMs) option." Since my current PowerBook G4 has 2x256 in it I don't want to experience that feeling of wasted RAM again. However, where/how do I select the 1 SO-DIMM option (keeping the two other slots free and upgradeable) instead of popping 2x512s in there as the 1GB option that's listed on the site. Has anyone else noticed this? Have I found a loop hole, or just confused myself and appeared stupid in my first post?
Secondly, as a pretty light user, about as heavy as I get is an occasional trip through Photoshop and some very basic and light Final Cut Pro use, do I need the suggested upgrades for things like e-mail, web surfing, dvd watching, Word, chatting, iTunes playlist making, and photo editing? Where should I make the scale backs to save a bit of cash, because in Australia even with the educational discount it still appears to be more expensive than the regularly priced US model! Egads!
Anyway, sorry this is such a long and rambling post, and probably people are through reading this thread by now anyway, and I'll disappear into oblivion. But if not, any info would be much appreciated. Cheers!
Jedsh03
bigandy
macrumors G3
Let me say, welcome and on behalf of MR, not a problem, it's what we're here forJedsh03 said:
I see a similar option on the UK store - you can chose 1Gb (2x512), 2Gb (2x1Gb) or 3Gb as 3x 1Gb. This is odd that they don't offer 1x1Gb, but I'm unsure as to why. They do maintain that RAM installed in equal pairs is better performing (I'd agree), so that could be why.Jedsh03 said:Since my current PowerBook G4 has 2x256 in it I don't want to experience that feeling of wasted RAM again. However, where/how do I select the 1 SO-DIMM option (keeping the two other slots free and upgradeable) instead of popping 2x512s in there as the 1GB option that's listed on the site. Has anyone else noticed this? Have I found a loop hole, or just confused myself and appeared stupid in my first post?
I'd say if you're wanting any photoshop or FCS use, you want as much RAM as possible. 2Gb should be fine, it's what I've noticed to be the sweet spot for both (of course pre-UB for Photoshop you could do with as much RAM as your system will take!) Although with 1Gb you can actually get along fine...Jedsh03 said:
Hope this helps
I'd recommend getting the 1GB (single chip), and upgrading it to 2GB with aftermarket ram - crucial.com in always a good source....there may be better ones in .au. Even for basic stuff, OS X still is a memory hog - hopefully that will change in 10.5 with better memory management, but I wouldn't bank on it.
bigandy
macrumors G3
You may notice that the problem is that the configuration doesn't seem to give the option for 1x1Gb. In the AU or UK stores, at least.harperb said:I'd recommend getting the 1GB (single chip), and upgrading it to 2GB with aftermarket ram - crucial.com in always a good source....there may be better ones in .au. Even for basic stuff, OS X still is a memory hog - hopefully that will change in 10.5 with better memory management, but I wouldn't bank on it.
I'm thinking of getting one of these 24" iMacs... just looking at the upgrade options.
I've always bought my RAM from Crucial before... but they're asking £183 for a 2x1GB kit, whereas you can replace the standard 2x512MB with 2x1GB through the Apple Store for just £120... surely that's the better deal? I'm just surprised that for once the Apple Store is cheaper than Crucial! (Yeah you could sell the original 2x512 but if you have to take it in for repair it's best to have the original RAM in there, so it'd otherwise be unused.)
I'm not seeing things, am I?
I've always bought my RAM from Crucial before... but they're asking £183 for a 2x1GB kit, whereas you can replace the standard 2x512MB with 2x1GB through the Apple Store for just £120... surely that's the better deal? I'm just surprised that for once the Apple Store is cheaper than Crucial!
(Yeah you could sell the original 2x512 but if you have to take it in for repair it's best to have the original RAM in there, so it'd otherwise be unused.)I'm not seeing things, am I?
wow, nice oneJosephkyles said:
But why do you get an All in One printer for free? I'm only getting the HP DJ 5940... (still a decent replacement for my beloved but outdated Epson Stylus Color 740). They should have offered some iPod discount for the Mac Mini too... even if it's not $160 or so.Yeah, but I figured it was quite a bit of work to do... so I just recompiled my system with optimizations for my new CPU in 32 bit mode.Evangelion said:
Apple always has to put old GPU's in new iMac's.....
......so that you already want to upgrade before you have brought it.
I was really hoping that the GPU lineup was going to be : 7600, 7800, 7800, 7900. I'm sure it is possible, heatwise. The prices for the 17 and 20 should have stayed where they were.
7300 should have gone in the Mini.
Macrumors said:
While keeping the 17 & 20 inch form factors, Apple has released a new big brother to the iMac lineup. The new machine features a 24 inch widescreen in the familiar all-in-the-screen form factor. Under the hood all of the iMacs now feature the newly released Intel Core 2 Duo with speeds from 1.83 GHz to 2.33 GHz, making it up to 50% faster than the previous 20" iMac. The new machines are available in the following standard configurations:
17 inch 1.83GHz
$999 US
1440x900 resolution
2MB L2 Cache
512MB RAM
160GB SATA HD
24x Combo Drive
Intel GMA950 64MB
Airport Extreme
17 inch 2.0GHz
$1199
1440x900 resolution
4MB L2 Cache
1GB RAM
160GB SATA HD
8x Double Layer Superdrive
ATI Radeon x1600 128MB
Airport Extreme & Bluetooth
Apple Remote
20 inch 2.16GHz
1680x1050 resolution
4MB L2 Cache
1GB RAM
250GB SATA HD
8x Double Layer Superdrive
ATI X1600 128MB
Airport Extreme & Bluetooth
Apple Remote
24 inch 2.16GHz
1920x1200 resolution
4MB L2 Cache
1GB RAM
250GB SATA HD
8x Double Layer Superdrive
NVIDIA GeForce 7300 GT 128MB
Airport Extreme & Bluetooth
Apple Remote
......so that you already want to upgrade before you have brought it.
I was really hoping that the GPU lineup was going to be : 7600, 7800, 7800, 7900. I'm sure it is possible, heatwise.
The prices for the 17 and 20 should have stayed where they were.7300 should have gone in the Mini.
Jedsh03 said:
Welcome Jedsh...and I have to say, Aussies are usually very friendly people, congrats..!
I just wanted to help you with the second point...I have an older iMac G5 and it's already MORE than enough for what you've mentioned...I am totally sure the new 24" machine will be wonderful for e-mail, web, dvd, Office, chatting, iTunes and iPhoto...actually this will be a breeze for the new machines, so don't worry..!
As for FCP and PS, I don't use them...but I may assure you that, as compared with previous PowerMacs that were ALREADY able to cope with heavy stuff, this new iMac will pass through those tasks with perfect marks...but remember, the more memory you get the better...I have 1Gb with mine and it's OK...but I would recommend you get at least 2Gb for optimal performance with the new Intel systems...so welcome again and good luck..!
Platform said:Hardly, the only noise I can hear is comming from iTunes
Seriously....fans at 1000-1400rpm....I can barly hear it...no I don't have bad hearing
That's the amazing thing about people, some are more sensitive then others. My previous computer did'nt have any fans spinning at over 600rpm, but I could still hear it (it was the first computer that was silent enough to usually not annoy me).
Ofcourse this is all highly dependant on the enviroment too. If the place you live in is dead silent, you will be sure to hear everything around you even if the noise is pretty low.
generik
macrumors 601
shanmui1 said:......so that you already want to upgrade before you have brought it.
I was really hoping that the GPU lineup was going to be : 7600, 7800, 7800, 7900. I'm sure it is possible, heatwise.
7300 should have gone in the Mini.
I think what could have happened is Apple has these huge stockpile of iMac motherboards which they are now clearing with these new Core 2 Duo iMacs, notice also they can't support > 4GB of ram? These boards have the old NAPA32 chipset too.
and there kangaroo
Well, I'm actually just a transplanted American, but I am still very friendly.
So I guess my new question is that I'm just looking at the "About This Mac" of my own machine and I have a 1 GHz PowerPC G4, 1MB L3 cache, and the aforementioned 2x256 MB SDRAM, and now I'm looking at the new processors and the base of 2.16 GHz. So if the machine I have now runs everything I want fairly decently (admittedly sometimes it does slow down, poor thing), and I'm about to make such a big jump, I'm assuming forking out the $355 (AU edu discount ... um, about USD $270) for the small processor bump up to the 2.33 GHz may not be worth it, and I'd be better off buying the extra RAM instead? Again, apologies for my potentially stupid questions, but hopefully someone else reading this is helped by it as well!
In regards to the 1x1GB vs. 2x512 MB RAM dilemna presented by Apple's website, I tried calling them and was on hold for 30 minutes before giving up. So I'm assuming EVERYONE and there kangaroo was ordering a new iMac, and I'll forgive them.
BRLawyer said:Welcome Jedsh...and I have to say, Aussies are usually very friendly people, congrats..!
Well, I'm actually just a transplanted American, but I am still very friendly.
BRLawyer said:
So I guess my new question is that I'm just looking at the "About This Mac" of my own machine and I have a 1 GHz PowerPC G4, 1MB L3 cache, and the aforementioned 2x256 MB SDRAM, and now I'm looking at the new processors and the base of 2.16 GHz. So if the machine I have now runs everything I want fairly decently (admittedly sometimes it does slow down, poor thing), and I'm about to make such a big jump, I'm assuming forking out the $355 (AU edu discount ... um, about USD $270) for the small processor bump up to the 2.33 GHz may not be worth it, and I'd be better off buying the extra RAM instead? Again, apologies for my potentially stupid questions, but hopefully someone else reading this is helped by it as well!
In regards to the 1x1GB vs. 2x512 MB RAM dilemna presented by Apple's website, I tried calling them and was on hold for 30 minutes before giving up. So I'm assuming EVERYONE and there kangaroo was ordering a new iMac, and I'll forgive them.
Jedsh03 said:Well, I'm actually just a transplanted American, but I am still very friendly.
So I guess my new question is that I'm just looking at the "About This Mac" of my own machine and I have a 1 GHz PowerPC G4, 1MB L3 cache, and the aforementioned 2x256 MB SDRAM, and now I'm looking at the new processors and the base of 2.16 GHz. So if the machine I have now runs everything I want fairly decently (admittedly sometimes it does slow down, poor thing), and I'm about to make such a big jump, I'm assuming forking out the $355 (AU edu discount ... um, about USD $270) for the small processor bump up to the 2.33 GHz may not be worth it, and I'd be better off buying the extra RAM instead? Again, apologies for my potentially stupid questions, but hopefully someone else reading this is helped by it as well!
In regards to the 1x1GB vs. 2x512 MB RAM dilemna presented by Apple's website, I tried calling them and was on hold for 30 minutes before giving up. So I'm assuming EVERYONE and there kangaroo was ordering a new iMac, and I'll forgive them.
I would definitely go for more RAM...don't bother about spending 300 bucks for just a little bit more speed...
DavidLeblond
macrumors 68020
dcv said:I'm thinking of getting one of these 24" iMacs... just looking at the upgrade options.
I've always bought my RAM from Crucial before... but they're asking £183 for a 2x1GB kit, whereas you can replace the standard 2x512MB with 2x1GB through the Apple Store for just £120... surely that's the better deal? I'm just surprised that for once the Apple Store is cheaper than Crucial!
I'm not seeing things, am I?
Get the 2x512 from apple, the 2x1gb from Crucial, sell the 2x512 on eBay and you'll end up spending less.
Please note, this is coming from a lazy bastard who just picked 2x1gb for his 20" iMac.
MacinDoc
macrumors 68020
Except that you'll also have to pay for the shipping from Crucial, and a pair of 512MB sticks won't likely sell for £63 on eBay.DavidLeblond said:Get the 2x512 from apple, the 2x1gb from Crucial, sell the 2x512 on eBay and you'll end up spending less.
Please note, this is coming from a lazy bastard who just picked 2x1gb for his 20" iMac.
For once, it may actually be cheaper to go with the Apple Store's RAM upgrade.
MacinDoc
macrumors 68020
For the same price as an 8% bump in CPU speed with no change in the bus speed, you can double the RAM and upgrade the CPU significantly to the 7600. This will enhance your speed much more than the CPU boost.Jedsh03 said:Well, I'm actually just a transplanted American, but I am still very friendly.
So I guess my new question is that I'm just looking at the "About This Mac" of my own machine and I have a 1 GHz PowerPC G4, 1MB L3 cache, and the aforementioned 2x256 MB SDRAM, and now I'm looking at the new processors and the base of 2.16 GHz. So if the machine I have now runs everything I want fairly decently (admittedly sometimes it does slow down, poor thing), and I'm about to make such a big jump, I'm assuming forking out the $355 (AU edu discount ... um, about USD $270) for the small processor bump up to the 2.33 GHz may not be worth it, and I'd be better off buying the extra RAM instead? Again, apologies for my potentially stupid questions, but hopefully someone else reading this is helped by it as well!
In regards to the 1x1GB vs. 2x512 MB RAM dilemna presented by Apple's website, I tried calling them and was on hold for 30 minutes before giving up. So I'm assuming EVERYONE and there kangaroo was ordering a new iMac, and I'll forgive them.