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Apple Releases Core 2 Duo MacBook Pro

mac4evan said:
Now I can't speak for the MBPs screens but my Dad has a 17inch 1.67 last PBG4 revision and has never ever had a problem with his screen.
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How can Apple do that when visual artists and their support of Macs give the whole product line a lot of it's "Pro" sheen?

Did you just live with the distortion? I forget it when there are saturated colors on screen.
 
dunnick said:
A little disappointed with this release. I was hoping for a bump on graphics. In the end, I'm glad I waitied...placing the order in the morning.

Very disappointed that the 7200 HD is gone. Heat issues for loss of the 7200 AND no graphics bump?
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No graphics bump most likely because it's still the same logic board. That and I don't think there's any other mobile GPUs out there that will fit within this design as far as cooling goes. Anything else out there that's better draws a lot more power and puts out a lot more heat. I'd like to have a 512MB 7950GTX GO in there as much as the next guy, but how do they cool it? Sager/VoodooPC has that GPU in a 1.1" thick 15" notebook design, but they had to make several other design compromises to get it in there. And it still run HOT. Battery life is pretty pathetic with the X1800 and or nv7800 and faster GPUs and that's a big issue to a lot of buyers too.

Does anyone have a feel (I can do it, not sure if it's a good idea) for swapping out the HD with an aftermarket upgrade? I know there are programs for boosting the fan(s?)
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I did it with my current MBP and stumbled my way through it after briefly glancing at an online tutorial on it a few days before. I've taken apart several notebook PCs before, so it wasn't too bad. But there's absolutely no reason for it to be designed this way. I don't know what's changed inside the new MBP systems, so I would wait for someone else to do it first and follow their notes. And with the current HD options in the new MBP line, there's not really a reason to pull it apart for an HD swap. But If you're buying the 2GHz refurb 15" w/60GB HD, then a swap is a must.
 
STLSigns said:
It sure is sad when people complain about getting more for the same $$.

I guess there are some that will never be happy, if you are one of them, think about your greed and be glad you use a Mac.
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worst. reasoning. ever.

Every update is going to get you more for the same money (or, with radical changes, a LOT more for slightly more money). By your reasoning, apple could have bumped the hard drive capacity on each model by 20 GB, changed nothing else, and people should still happy with it at the same price.

If there were new models every 2 weeks, going a bit at a time like that would be fine. But as of now, updates only happen once every 6, or 8, or here, 10 months. So when they do occur, they better be significant because it's the model we have for a nice long while.

Basically, you assume that the old MBP was a good (or at least OK) buy, and that therefore any additions today are gravy. But it wasn't a good buy. When it first came out, it was competitive in terms of price and power. But it's been unchanged (except for the tiny processor shift in May) for 10 months. Until today, the MBP was very close in specs to the macbook with no real advantages besides 2.1" and a dedicated GPU, yet it cost a great deal more. It also lagged badly behind PC laptops in terms of both specs and price.

So IMO, today's update got the MBP competitive again. The fact that you can't go higher than an x1600 is a major flaw for many people, but other than that it's awfully good. But keep in mind that this is the MBP we're probably going to have for many more months. So don't just ask whether it's good today, but whether it's good enough to be competitive for another 6, 8, or 10 months.
 
iViking said:
So who does need the 256 VRAM then? Measurebators, hard-core gamers and Motion users?
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Yeah, that' pretty much covers it. Although hardcore gamers are more likely to buy a PC. As much as I like my Macs, I still have a dual core AMD PC with dual nVidia 7800GTX cards for playing games.
 
Add me to the ordered list. But I chose macmall, as my account rep rocks, and slides me a nice discount on apple care.
 
hey guys, im totally stoked about these new specs. I was prepared to pay that amount before and pay extra for the upgrades, but to get the upgrades for basically ree now, makes the mbp a no brainer for me...

2 questions though...

what is up with all this santa rose talk? what is it? a new quad core chip from intel?

and does C2Duo have native 64bit support? because i believe Tiger is 64 bit is it not? thats what i was really waiting for...

errr more questions...
when is adobe gunna offer its photoshop and flash products in universal binary?

does anyone here play NWN? do u know if the same disc i go into the store to b
uy it will work on both PC and MAC? i know Blizzard does this with their games.

And YES, im a graphic designer transitioning from a PC to Mac ;) wish me luck!
 
QCassidy352 said:
So IMO, today's update got the MBP competitive again. The fact that you can't go higher than an x1600 is a major flaw for many people, but other than that it's awfully good. But keep in mind that this is the MBP we're probably going to have for many more months. So don't just ask whether it's good today, but whether it's good enough to be competitive for another 6, 8, or 10 months.
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Agreed. Apart from minor details (at least for me, HD-Bay is minor), seems like a great update apart from the x1600. Unfortunately for me, that's a deal breaker. But if I didn't game (and if I weren't $2300 in the hole after this new iMac :D) I'd put the new MBP on my shopping list.

For now, it'll have to remain on the wish list...
 
These machines have never been sold in this configuation.

Anyone an early adopter?
Anyone with week one experience of an Apple laptop?
Anything good to report? Anything bad?
 
Actually considering cancelling and ordering a base model, at least the chip would be cooler than the 2.33 and hopefully cooler than the 2.16 core duo. I use my notebooks on my lap a lot and dont want burns or scars. Im preferred to sacrfice the extra 128MB on the graphics card.

I hope they applied the thermal paste properly this time. Oh well good thing i ordered a stock model.
 
ccroo said:
These machines have never been sold in this configuation.

Anyone an early adopter?
Anyone with week one experience of an Apple laptop?
Anything good to report? Anything bad?
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-ccroo

I should have mine in a few days. When I'll commence a migration. I'll report then.
 
Checklist

Apple computer checklist

X Movies for iTunes
X Moron MacBook Pro
Mormon Macbook
Kill Zune
Kill Vista
iTV "not-'eyeTV"/YouTube/Google secret"
Leopard Release
Beetles Songs
More elevator pictures
More iPhone mockups
 
Order online or wait for retail?

I've been following this thing forever and im ecstatic it actually happened! One question though, im going back and fourth between the stock 2.16 and 2.33 models and im wondering, in order to get my mbp as soon as possible, would it be better to order online tonight and wait and hope that by the end of the week they hit retail store shelves? Also do anyone know if retail stores are now carrying units with the glossy display?

-Thanks! :D
 
If I exchange my Macbook Pro today will Apple Care send me the new one as a replacement or one of the old models? (They offered to replace it a couple of days ago when I called to complain about the screen.)
 
This is really sweet!!! I wasn't expecting 200GB HD. THe only thing however is that it's really expensive. I was a 2.33Ghz, 2GB ram, 200GB Hd and with my student discount it's still 2830.00 Canadian (before tax) and the most i was going to spend was 3000 (with tax and everything) and I was hoping to get a wireless mouse and keyboard and case and stuff.
 
ccroo said:
If I exchange my Macbook Pro today will Apple Care send me the new one as a replacement or one of the old models? (They offered to replace it a couple of days ago when I called to complain about the screen.)
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They will send you a refurbished old model. Apple has thousands of them lying around.

New models go to those that pay.

Sorry, but I guarantee Apple will only replace with equivalent machine.

On the rare occasion Apple might do something a little extra for a long term problem, but I have never heard of them actually replacing an old model with a new model right when the new model is first introduced.
 
Add me to the 'order placed' list. I ordered through PcConnection, and I went with the 2.16 w/ 2GB and 160GB 5400 RPM drive.

I'd rather have a cooler running machine than 0.25 seconds less for boot time. I went with the glossy screen too.

I'm sure there will be a better platform out soon enough, (Santa Rosa), but I've been waiting to upgrade from my 12" 1.5GHz PB since MBP first came out. I'll be happy with this machine for 2 years, then I'll upgrade again.

Overall, it's been said many times before on this forum:

If you wait a few more months, you can get a better machine. But if you don't decide to take the plunge at some point, you could end up waiting for ever.

When Santa Rosa comes out, I'm sure Intel will have something else just over the horizon. I needed the machine sooner than the end of the year. I've got some software developing and testing to do this winter.
 
iconboy said:
hey guys, im totally stoked about these new specs. I was prepared to pay that amount before and pay extra for the upgrades, but to get the upgrades for basically ree now, makes the mbp a no brainer for me...

2 questions though...

what is up with all this santa rose talk? what is it? a new quad core chip from intel?

and does C2Duo have native 64bit support? because i believe Tiger is 64 bit is it not? thats what i was really waiting for...

errr more questions...
when is adobe gunna offer its photoshop and flash products in universal binary?

does anyone here play NWN? do u know if the same disc i go into the store to b
uy it will work on both PC and MAC? i know Blizzard does this with their games.

And YES, im a graphic designer transitioning from a PC to Mac ;) wish me luck!
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Ok wow well santa rosa is Intel's codename for the next upgrade for notebook chips with C2D being Merom. Tiger has 64 bit at the UNIX level only. Leopard will have it pretty much throughout (read apple.com/macosx for more on that). Adboe CS3, which is Universal will be out Spring of '07.

You can read about Santa Rosa under the MacRumors Guides section of the website. Welcome to the family. Ever need suggestions let us know.:)
 
digitalbiker said:
They will send you a refurbished old model. Apple has thousands of them lying around.

New models go to those that pay.

Sorry, but I guarantee Apple will only replace with equivalent machine.

On the rare occasion Apple might do something a little extra for a long term problem, but I have never heard of them actually replacing an old model with a new model right when the new model is first introduced.
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Not true. I am not saying the earlier poster will get a new model, but Applecare did replace my 3 year old G5 (2 years out of warranty) for a brand new Mac Pro, with upgraded RAM and wireless no less. There is a reason Apple is consistently rated very high in regard to customer service. Also, someone else on this board several pages back already replaced his MBP with a bad screen for a new model.
 
DJMastaWes said:
This is really sweet!!! I wasn't expecting 200GB HD. THe only thing however is that it's really expensive. I was a 2.33Ghz, 2GB ram, 200GB Hd and with my student discount it's still 2830.00 Canadian (before tax) and the most i was going to spend was 3000 (with tax and everything) and I was hoping to get a wireless mouse and keyboard and case and stuff.
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I wouldn't order the 200GB HD unless you are really trying to maximize your battery life. It is a 4200 RPM drive and only offers 40GB advantage over the 160GB drive.

Upgrade to the 160GB 5400 RPM Drive. It is slightly smaller but it is much faster and currently the cream of the crop for mobile drives. The 7200 is slightly better but 60GB is quite a bit to give up.

The 160GB 5400 is the best compromise. It provides good system performance and you can always hook up a large 7200 RPM FW800 drive for higher speed audio / video work.
 
QCassidy352 said:
worst. reasoning. ever.

Every update is going to get you more for the same money (or, with radical changes, a LOT more for slightly more money). By your reasoning, apple could have bumped the hard drive capacity on each model by 20 GB, changed nothing else, and people should still happy with it at the same price.

If there were new models every 2 weeks, going a bit at a time like that would be fine. But as of now, updates only happen once every 6, or 8, or here, 10 months. So when they do occur, they better be significant because it's the model we have for a nice long while.

Basically, you assume that the old MBP was a good (or at least OK) buy, and that therefore any additions today are gravy. But it wasn't a good buy. When it first came out, it was competitive in terms of price and power. But it's been unchanged (except for the tiny processor shift in May) for 10 months. Until today, the MBP was very close in specs to the macbook with no real advantages besides 2.1" and a dedicated GPU, yet it cost a great deal more. It also lagged badly behind PC laptops in terms of both specs and price.

So IMO, today's update got the MBP competitive again. The fact that you can't go higher than an x1600 is a major flaw for many people, but other than that it's awfully good. But keep in mind that this is the MBP we're probably going to have for many more months. So don't just ask whether it's good today, but whether it's good enough to be competitive for another 6, 8, or 10 months.
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I agree with the flaw of not improving the graphics card.

To play devil's advocate, I think Apple would ask: Do you want a new GPU with a clunky, chunky, noisy, mega-fanning case like a dell or the keep the same form factor.
 
bmoorhouse said:
Not true. I am not saying the earlier poster will get a new model, but Applecare did replace my 3 year old G5 (2 years out of warranty) for a brand new Mac Pro, with upgraded RAM and wireless no less. There is a reason Apple is consistently rated very high in regard to customer service. Also, someone else on this board several pages back already replaced his MBP with a bad screen for a new model.
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If this is true, it is very very rare and you are very very lucky!

I have been around Apple a long long time. Since November of 1986 and I have never had AppleCare do this for me or any other mac user that I know personally. I have only read of this happening and never to the level that you describe.

When Apple has bumped a repair it was usually like a new screen, or a bumped graphics card, etc in an older system.

Didn't the poster you are referring to sell his older model and order a new one?
 
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