Apple Releases Employee Diversity Report, 7 out of 10 Workers Are Male, 55% White

[PocketSand11]

I agree that the best of the best should be hired, but there's a lot of advantages whites have over other minorities in the work field (including privilege, education, socio-economic background, and opportunity). There are some minorities that simply won't have the opportunity to become the best at their field simply because of their race.

You're saying that someone will have more or less money and privilege just because of his race? If Apple wanted to go out of their way to hire people from low-income families, they could do that rather than making assumptions.

Oh yeah, and Arabs count as white or Asian. Consider where some of them are coming from and what's going on there.

 

[Mums]

Isn't their something wrong with that though? I don't understand if you see what I mean, and I'm not trying to be a troll either.

Why apologize to that racist?

 

[crsh1976]

But it is a problem that disproportionately affects minorities compared to whites.

Which brings us back to the core issue: access to higher education. This isn't a Silicon Valley issue by any stretch, but it is an issue that has a direct effect on a nation's economic performance and tech innovation (and, in the longer run, its capacity to remain a world leader).

 

[Toltepeceno]

I'm glad you pointed that out.

I'm a triple citizen of America, Brazil, and Jamaica. In Brazil it gets pretty racist too. In Jamaica, gays have almost no protection and it's extremely homophobic. America still has it's problems, but Americans should be thankful of the progress this country has achieved. Apple is only glorifying that progress, not trying to spark anything negative.

Well said. Compared to latin america, the us has achieved far more. It's just that it's not as publicized here as it was there. We were shocked when we went there, we were expecting extreme racism but really experienced very little. Some in ca, none in ar. People were very friendly and even apologetic to the wife for not being able to speak spanish. The wife speaks only spanish.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

So you change your story because he's Mexican, but with me you keep to your attack? Such illogical, irrational hate against White males.

Change what story? What the hell are you rambling about? How about having a rational discussion, instead of just being on the attack.

 

[Born Again]

No, sorry. Unfortunately it is you who seem to be unable to conceive of what racism actually is.

Wrong.

 

[Mums]

I didn't think I came off as sexist.

What I mean by saying I would like to see more women in executive positions is that in a perfect world, people at that position would closely resemble the overall population. Why? When one group is overrepresented, it points out structural issues that exist. It does not indicate that men are naturally better at those types of things, in my opinion. If men and women had the same level of training, exposure, role models, etc., at the highest level, men and women would be appropriately represented.

If all executive boards were representative of demographics, they would all have majority women constituents. I suppose this would be acceptable to you.

 

[Orlandoech]

On this topic I can honestly say I don't.

Retired, 69 years old, inherited wealth.

So you think you're better than other because you're retired, 69 years old, and/or inherited wealth?

CHIP!

 

[centauratlas]

Ah yes, measure diversity by something irrelevant like skin color.

What are the percentages of free, brown and blue eyes?

Hair color?

 

[rsocal]

Why?

Why do we do this? This is the very reason its a problem, we try to make everything out to be so bad! Is it fair to the 55% now?
To many people just try to make things out to be unfair, sorry mom, not every child gets a trophy.

 

[bpeeps]

You're saying that someone will have more or less money and privilege just because of his race? If Apple wanted to go out of their way to hire people from low-income families, they could do that rather than making assumptions.

Oh yeah, and Arabs count as white or Asian. Consider where some of them are coming from and what's going on there.

I'm saying that someone will have more or less money and privilege based on socio-economic background/status, education, privilege, and opportunity. I'll state it again, the biggest detractor in this article is comprehension.

 

[Dekema2]

Why apologize to that racist?

Because if I don't apologize, I'll have "pulled the 'race card' (complete B.S.)", and will be called out as weak for even mentioning qualification. But in a perfect world I'd have no apologies.

 

[ThatsMeRight]

Can anyone prove that a white male has a less of a chance landing a job because of some unwritten quota VS having more competition from other races on the same playing field?

Don't change my words. I never even talked about 'more competition from other races on the same playing field' and I never commented on that.

We're walking a thin line here. All I meant to say is: positive discrimination is still discrimination.

Personally, I feel like there are other *better* ways to encourage more diversity within companies. For example, better education for minorities* so that they have a better chance on getting a job.

Fighting discrimination with discrimination? I don't think that's a good decision as there is always going to be someone who is being discriminated.

* In an ideal scenario everybody would have access to the same level of education. Currently, however, that's simply not the case.

 

[Kar98]

What's the percentage of males wearing their nutsack to the left? How many of the employees, male or female, shave their pits? Do they like BBQ or are they heathen vegetarians? Do they like their sexual partners skinny or chunky? How many "minorities" should be hired to make sure everybody assumes they all got the job based on skin hue instead of qualification? These are important questions, people, and totally should be relevant in the hiring process!

 

[bpeeps]

Which brings us back to the core issue: access to higher education. This isn't a Silicon Valley issue by any stretch, but it is an issue that has a direct effect on a nation's economic performance and tech innovation (and, in the longer run, its capacity to remain a world leader).

Yes, and that's what people commenting on this article simply cannot understand. To them its a black and white race issue.

 

[Happybunny]

I put the wrong race and gender so I have a chance at getting a job! Otherwise, they see "White male" and into the circular file my resume goes.

You keep going on about "White hate" well I'm 69 years old and I have never come across it in my lifetime.

It could be the case that these people just don't like YOU.

 

[Technarchy]

Pull up any photo of Steve Jobs with the teams that built great products

Lisa
Macintosh
iPod
iPhone
iPad

You know what those teams have in common? A lot of white skin.

Tim Cook needs to be spending more energy on great products. The product is all that matters, and it especially matters more than fake diversity.

You want to show me real diversity? Add Anne Colture and Herman Caine to the board of directors

 

[Chupa Chupa]

You're spot on until you mention discriminatory, racist, sexist scholarships.

I don't follow. If they have the chops to get into then, get through a top engineering school, why and how is it discriminatory to do something to encourage them to take that career path?

 

[larrylaffer]

100% smart people.

Now we can at least all agree that this isn't true. After all, somebody had the bright idea of reversing the scroll wheel direction.

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

Don't change my words. I never even talked about 'more competition from other races on the same playing field' and I never commented on that.

We're walking a thin line here. All I meant to say is: positive discrimination is still discrimination.

Personally, I feel like there are other *better* ways to encourage more diversity within companies. For example, better education for minorities so that they have a better chance on getting a job.

Fighting discrimination with discrimination? I don't think that's a good decision as there is always going to be someone who is being discriminated.

How did I put words in your mouth when it's your assumption that equal opportunity is a quota or positive discrimination?

 

[Renzatic]

especially since Hispanic isnt a race

It's not a race, but a catch-all term for those from Mexi-Meso-South America, which covers every flavor of people from white as a European winter, to vaguely brown, to direct line Mayan descent, to black as the ebon heart of Africa, with the commonality that they're from the south of us, and mostly speak Spanish.

Hispanic is to them as Caucasian is to white people of European/Slavic descent. It's a generalization, not a specific classification.

 

[iolinux333]

So what happens when White males become the minority, as already seems to be happening an many urban American situation? Will you then advocate quotas to include White males?

You say it feels terrible to be in a meeting without other people of color. Is it okay if I feel the same way in a meeting without other White males?

You're not getting it. The world hates white people and wants them gone and is trying everything to make them gone without pissing them off. Because if the white people get pissed off... uh oh. Pissed off whites might destroy the entire planet and it's pretty important to not let that happen. You're trying rational argument. That's silly.

 

[ThatsMeRight]

How did I put words in your mouth when it's your assumption that equal opportunity is a quota or positive discrimination?

I literally said the opposite

Fighting discrimination with [positive] discrimination? I don't think that's a good decision

I feel like there are other *better* ways to encourage more diversity within companies. For example, better education

 

[LIVEFRMNYC]

I literally said the opposite

And who doing the positive discrimination? Apple?

 

[PocketSand11]

When one group is overrepresented, it points out structural issues that exist. It does not indicate that men are naturally better at those types of things, in my opinion. If men and women had the same level of training, exposure, role models, etc., at the highest level, men and women would be appropriately represented.

How do you know this? What if one group is actually better for a certain task? Also, there could be some difference between the number of male-only and female-only jobs available, taking more males or females out of other jobs, automatically causing some kind of overrepresentation somewhere.

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Now we can at least all agree that this isn't true. After all, somebody had the bright idea of reversing the scroll wheel direction.

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