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Apple Releases Employee Diversity Report, 7 out of 10 Workers Are Male, 55% White
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As a female and a minority (black) who happens to be interested in tech (but got started way too late). I think that while efforts at the top are important ultimately real change (that doesn't feel unfair etc.) will have to come earlier during education.
Gender stereotypes and issues with access to technology and/or good computer science classes (not offered or emphasized by lower income schools btw) is probably the real issue. If you don't know that something is an option or you think (as a kid) that because you are female you shouldn't be interested in that option it is of course going to skew the numbers once we look much later down the line at the professions that people choose. I would much rather effort be spent on early education to narrow the gender and race gap than focusing on the hiring practices of companies from an applicant pool which probably does have a lower proportion of qualified female and minority candidates.
Yes, gender and ethnic diversity DO matter. Living in a society where class is de facto based on race is only a little better than living in a caste based society. It truly does limit opportunities in an unfair manner (I cannot begin to explain how terrible it feels to go to an academic meeting and the only other people of color in the whole building are the service staff. I've also experienced sexual harassment first hand that almost drove me out of my chosen career). BUT there is more than one way to go about fixing the problem. Increasing access to the beginning of the pipeline seems more fair (to me) than arbitrary quotas at the end.
That said if Apple wanted to hire ME to help their gender and race diversity (killing two birds with one stone) I wouldn't say no
Gender stereotypes and issues with access to technology and/or good computer science classes (not offered or emphasized by lower income schools btw) is probably the real issue. If you don't know that something is an option or you think (as a kid) that because you are female you shouldn't be interested in that option it is of course going to skew the numbers once we look much later down the line at the professions that people choose. I would much rather effort be spent on early education to narrow the gender and race gap than focusing on the hiring practices of companies from an applicant pool which probably does have a lower proportion of qualified female and minority candidates.
Yes, gender and ethnic diversity DO matter. Living in a society where class is de facto based on race is only a little better than living in a caste based society. It truly does limit opportunities in an unfair manner (I cannot begin to explain how terrible it feels to go to an academic meeting and the only other people of color in the whole building are the service staff. I've also experienced sexual harassment first hand that almost drove me out of my chosen career). BUT there is more than one way to go about fixing the problem. Increasing access to the beginning of the pipeline seems more fair (to me) than arbitrary quotas at the end.
That said if Apple wanted to hire ME to help their gender and race diversity (killing two birds with one stone) I wouldn't say no
I agree with you. That's why I stated Hispanics is vague, I should note that I should have said it's used as a broad term instead. It would be a large discussion to talk about the races from all Hispanic/Latino countries. But as far as the Census goes, they lumped most Spanish speaking immigrants as Hispanics to better serve whatever community. Or at least that's the original intention. The same can be said about Blacks, we don't all have they same ethnic history.
That sure seems racist to me. Why hasn't MacRumors censored him like they censor me?
Isn't their something wrong with that though? I don't understand if you see what I mean, and I'm not trying to be a troll either.
No, sorry. Unfortunately it is you who seem to be unable to conceive of what racism actually is.
I didn't think I came off as sexist.
What I mean by saying I would like to see more women in executive positions is that in a perfect world, people at that position would closely resemble the overall population. Why? When one group is overrepresented, it points out structural issues that exist. It does not indicate that men are naturally better at those types of things, in my opinion. If men and women had the same level of training, exposure, role models, etc., at the highest level, men and women would be appropriately represented.
What if you had three candidates with the exact same race/gender/qualifications and they all interviewed really well? Then it would come down to intangible things like personality or just the hiring manager's feeling on who would be the best fit.
Tim Cook has a degree in industrial engineering. We know he's big on numbers and spreadsheets. But you can't engineer diversity no matter how much he's pushing Apple HR to do so.
Yes, I know but my point is that discrimination is discrimination no matter who it is against.
It's far more racist here in mexico, racism is even rampant in the school system. Even a slight amount of skin color difference is seized upon to use. Darker skinned people get discriminated against here on all levels. Work, etc. and it's not mostly white on darker skin it's brown against darker skin. Also against people from countries south of us.
This happens a LOT. Everywhere.
There are so many people who dont understand its discrimination based on race, and equally as much who dont deem themselves a racist because they dont walk around in a pointy hat.
Fools.
Okay, you've convinced me. This is a war against the white man. Thank goodness I'm black, and good luck with your struggle. Keep your head up in these hard times.
Don't even bother. It is as pointless as an evangelical talking to a Jehovah's Witness about bible scripture. The JW will never go off script. It is drilled into their head to stay on script no matter what. They certainly cannot entertain the idea of considering any other view point but their own. The fact is racism is racism. There is no such thing as "positive" discrimination or "reverse" racism. The colour of one's skin does not give a right to discriminate against another person.
I am positive that MLK would be in agreement with me even though I am a white person from northern Europe and in disagreement with the majority of "African Americans" living today. He wanted people to be judged by their character. I don't even like that moniker "African American" because Africa is a continent and not a country or a people. Do people go around calling white people "European Americans"? No.
If you are not a first generation immigrant then you are just a plain American full stop.
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I can agree with this 100%, instances like this do occur. But without quotas I think hiring would have different ulterior motives behind it.
I get your point, but at the same time it's his private life, so he has every right to deny, confirm, or ignore any question related to his personal life.
Is the "Bozo factor" when you hire too many "diversity" people? It would make sense!
You guys all got it wrong. The diversity at Apple is primarily about gender, not race! That's why Tim Cook is hiring female executives. From the numbers, I don't see Apple has a race diversity issue here; in fact other tech companies have much 'worse' numbers in that area.
On the other hand, it seems Tim Cook is too eager to solve a 'problem' that's really not Apple's. There are just not many female geeks.
On the other hand, it seems Tim Cook is too eager to solve a 'problem' that's really not Apple's. There are just not many female geeks.
He's afraid to look up the word "racist" because he will find out that he is "racist".
But it is a problem that disproportionately affects minorities compared to whites.
Thank you! You are spot on in your assessment, and bolster my love of Mexico and the Mexican people. It's time we all return to rational thinking, and dispel this heinous era of political correctness and reverse discrimination against White males in America, Europe, Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and elsewhere. We have been oppressed!
Can't they just hire the best people? Instead of worrying about hiring more women for fear of looking sexist?