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Just realised the flashing of my screen is because i have turned off background app refresh for Facebook and it's trying to notify me, then realises it shouldn't, so it flashes my screen and i see the notification count show up on the facebook icon.
 
I've downgraded to iOS 10.3. Enjoying again my phone. I don't recommend people with an 6 or older to update to iOS 11. Only cosmetic things and small features at the cost of degraded performance.

11 runs beautifully on my 7+. So I would not reccomend your recommendation.

7+ is a bit newer and triple the RAM over a 6, not sure your basis of not recommending his recommendation
 
I can see how, if you value performance over keeping hackers out and general security fixes, you might do this.
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You must not have anything worth hacker pilfering on your phone then.

We are ran PB 11 on a 5S, 2x 6, and a 6S. Glitches during the revision process but generally ok and speedy by GM. Some small improvements still needed but those will come.

To those thinking there is something to be gained by not updating, I ask, why buy the most secure smartphone in the world, and fill it with your important information, if you aren’t going to keep it that way by installing the security updates?

Last I heard 10.3.3 is still being signed by Apple for install, and I am not aware of any security bugs that iOS 11 fixes that leaves 10.3.3 exposed. The only hacks i really find of real world concern are remote hacks, the physical ones can be mitigated usually by a remote wipe. Perhaps you can cite some of these iOS 10.3.3 hacks available with and without physical access to the iphone?

As for speed issues, its already been documented by Ars Technica that a 5s is slower under iOS 11 and lots of anecdotal experiences have been described by users as well. Unfortunately, every iOS release is slower than the last.
 
I’m hoping .1 stomps out all these obvious bugs. Especially with the keyboard.

iOS 11 has such potential to be a game changer, but the bugs really destroy the experience.
 
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I have old Siri back. Anybody else?
Plug it in while on wifi and it should download the new voice. Seems that process happens from time to time with updates. Also that get the hi quality voice from what I remember.

[Edit] We crossed posts I had you multi quoted for a while just sitting there. I see your edit now. Yep that should do it. I believe its done to make iOS package smaller for transfer.
 
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As for speed issues, its already been documented by Ars Technica that a 5s is slower under iOS 11 and lots of anecdotal experiences have been described by users as well. Unfortunately, every iOS release is slower than the last.
It may be frustrating, but I don’t think it’s unexpected. The 5S is a 4 year old device with an A7 & 1GB.The latest HW platform is an A11 with 2 or 3GB. Between the A7 and A11 the performance gains are relatively large, huge wrt graphics. Similarly, the iPhone 6 (A8/1GB) is relatively underpowered to run iOS 11.

But beginning with the 6S/iPhone SE/$329 iPad, the A9/2GB platform reaches that “fast enough” point, where the differences from the newest HW aren’t so large. (But who’s to know whether the 6S running iOS 13 will be any less painful than is a 5S trying to run iOS 11? However, with the 6S HW being so similar to the 7, I like the odds.)

There is reason for optimism, though, that the 5S’s performance under iOS 11 will improve. Historically, older devices are slowest with the initial releases of the latest OS. After the dust settles and OS bugs are fixed—and maybe more importantly, ill-behaved apps are updated—the situation will improve. Apple will optimize iOS performance for older models, and to a lesser extent, third party developers will tweak their apps as well.

This goes against the “forced upgrade” narrative some like to push, but it’s proven to be true. Sometimes I wish Apple were more aggressive in cutting off newer OS support for older devices. But I guess they figure more people would rather have access to the latest OS, even if their device runs slower, than be stuck on the old OS. (Which would cause an even louder outcry from pushers of the “forced obsolescence” canard.)
 
Still seeing the once a day quick crashes on my 7+ not sure what's causing it but each time it has happened I usually have apple maps and pandora open. Hmmm...

-Mike
 
definitely what i was afraid of . Glad i didnt update yet
The slowing to a glacial pace and 3-5 hard crashes per day experienced by the poster is not typical of iPhone 6 users overall. It’s certainly not what Apple observed for the iOS 11 gold master release, either.

If you’re not comfortable being an early adopter, don’t want to troubleshoot which app is now killing your battery life, or don’t want to deal with possibly having to downgrade to 10.3.3, I definitely wouldn’t upgrade until 11.1 or even 11.2.

I know some like to believe that an x.0 OS release shouldn’t have as many issues as they do, and in a perfect world that would be true, but that’s never been how it’s really worked. Bill Gates once said something to the effect of, the only real way to beta test something is to get it in the hands of a few million users.
 
7+ is a bit newer and triple the RAM over a 6, not sure your basis of not recommending his recommendation
My 84 y/o mom and 50 smth sister both ran 11 from middle public beta on. They both have iPhones 6 and report the general release is running well and it fixed the big issues they saw in the PB.

I’ve got it on a 5S and had no issues during the public beta or gm releases.
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Last I heard 10.3.3 is still being signed by Apple for install, and I am not aware of any security bugs that iOS 11 fixes that leaves 10.3.3 exposed. The only hacks i really find of real world concern are remote hacks, the physical ones can be mitigated usually by a remote wipe. Perhaps you can cite some of these iOS 10.3.3 hacks available with and without physical access to the iphone?

As for speed issues, its already been documented by Ars Technica that a 5s is slower under iOS 11 and lots of anecdotal experiences have been described by users as well. Unfortunately, every iOS release is slower than the last.
Last I heard 10.3.3 is still being signed by Apple for install, and I am not aware of any security bugs that iOS 11 fixes that leaves 10.3.3 exposed. The only hacks i really find of real world concern are remote hacks, the physical ones can be mitigated usually by a remote wipe. Perhaps you can cite some of these iOS 10.3.3 hacks available with and without physical access to the iphone?

As for speed issues, its already been documented by Ars Technica that a 5s is slower under iOS 11 and lots of anecdotal experiences have been described by users as well. Unfortunately, every iOS release is slower than the last.

Ars test showed an imperceptible slowdown on the 5S and this tracks with my 5S. When I saw Ars result I was surprised it was slower because I hadn’t been able to see it.

On my 6S I did have on 11.0.0 a couple times where scrolling in safari bookmarks froze for between 5 & 10 seconds.

I’m on PB 11.1 on all now and the 6S seems to be generally faster than on any version of 11 that I’ve tested. If it’s slower than iOS 10 was I can’t feel it (keep in mind I moved off 10 a long time ago so my perception may not be accurate.)
 
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Apple today released the first public beta of iOS 11.1 to its public beta testing group, just a day after seeding the beta to developers and a little over a week after releasing the iOS 11 update to the public.

Beta testers who have signed up for Apple's beta testing program will receive the iOS 11 beta update over-the-air after installing the proper certificate on an iOS device.

Those who want to join the beta testing program can sign up on Apple's beta testing website, which gives users access to iOS, macOS, and tvOS betas. iOS betas are not always stable and should not be installed on a primary device.

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While Apple has promised that some major features like peer-to-peer Apple Pay payments and iCloud support for Messages are coming in beta updates, those features are not present in the iOS 11.1 beta.

iOS 11.1 seems to feature only small changes like a tweak to add multiple emoji suggestions to the predictive text options on the built-in keyboard. There's also an updated camera icon under Restrictions, a new animation when tapping the status bar to scroll upwards, and a faster unlock animation.

iOS 11 is a major update to the iOS operating system, introducing significant design changes, a revamped Lock screen experience, a new Control Center, ARKit for developers, new app features, a new App Store, and an entirely reimagined interface for the iPad that includes a Dock, Drag and Drop support, and a new App Switcher for better than ever multitasking.

Article Link: Apple Releases First Beta of iOS 11.1 for Public Beta Testers



My battery actually got WAY better! I'm charging it once a day, and I am a VERY heavy user.
 
This goes against the “forced upgrade” narrative some like to push, but it’s proven to be true. Sometimes I wish Apple were more aggressive in cutting off newer OS support for older devices. But I guess they figure more people would rather have access to the latest OS, even if their device runs slower, than be stuck on the old OS. (Which would cause an even louder outcry from pushers of the “forced obsolescence” canard.)

If Apple allowed users of older devices to revert back to older versions of iOS, they wouldn't get so much criticism.
 
If Apple allowed users of older devices to revert back to older versions of iOS, they wouldn't get so much criticism.
Agreed. Not every version but at least the last shipping version (i.e. 9.3.5, 10.3.3). Devices stuck on an older version should also get security updates, to the extent possible.

I’d be very interested in hearing their logic for having such a short signing window for the previous version after a new release, too.
 
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Still seeing the once a day quick crashes on my 7+ not sure what's causing it but each time it has happened I usually have apple maps and pandora open. Hmmm...

-Mike
remember to submit bug report in the feedback app...
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First phone call made on 11.1 and the iPhone X little bar at the bottom of the screen showed up over the call window haha awesome!
be sure you report the bg in the feedback app...
 
11 runs beautifully on my 7+. So I would not reccomend your recommendation.

11 is horrible on my 7 Plus. The UI freezes for up to a minute multiple times a day, random phone reboots, the Music home screen app gets stuck in a bad state, Messages refuses to scroll all the way to the last message -- just tons and tons of little problems.
 
If Apple allowed users of older devices to revert back to older versions of iOS, they wouldn't get so much criticism.
While I would love for this to exist, chances are there would be all kinds of other criticism as apps would drop support for older iOS versions and security exploits and other bugs might be present and on and on.
 
Agreed. Not every version but at least the last shipping version (i.e. 9.3.5, 10.3.3). Devices stuck on an older version should also get security updates, to the extent possible.

I’d be very interested in hearing their logic for having such a short signing window for the previous version after a new release, too.

to prevent people/criminals using downgrading as a way to bypass security bugs. That's the reason.

Only way that would be averted would be to decouple security fixes and all other fixes. That's not always possible in an highly integrated platform like IOS and Apple probably doesn't want to put patching security completely in the hands of people. Also, debugging new systems would be harder for Apple because there would be a lot more configuration of IOS in release than now.
 
11 runs beautifully on my 7+. So I would not reccomend your recommendation.

My recommendation was for people with an iPhone 6 or older ;)
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I can see how, if you value performance over keeping hackers out and general security fixes, you might do this.
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You must not have anything worth hacker pilfering on your phone then.

We are ran PB 11 on a 5S, 2x 6, and a 6S. Glitches during the revision process but generally ok and speedy by GM. Some small improvements still needed but those will come.

To those thinking there is something to be gained by not updating, I ask, why buy the most secure smartphone in the world, and fill it with your important information, if you aren’t going to keep it that way by installing the security updates?

if it is something big we will have the security update in iOS 10 as well. You are right, it's a security problem but I prefer to change my passwords once per week instead of having a horrible experience every time I use the phone.

Anyway, I will have always the chance to update in future
 
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I’m hoping .1 stomps out all these obvious bugs. Especially with the keyboard.

iOS 11 has such potential to be a game changer, but the bugs really destroy the experience.
Please use the feedback to Apple to tel them what You have found. I would thank You for that!
 
People saying iphone 6 is slow on ios 11, did you buy your ip6 at release? If so try switching battery, I run ios 11.0.1 on my ip6 smooth. The iphone slows down the cpu to compensate battery wear
 
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