Just downloading ML - hope Parallels gonna work on this.
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I would even pay for this!
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Apple Releases First Developer Preview of OS X Mountain Lion, Public Launch in Late Summer
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I like Mountain Lion, i make Facebook page for that :
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Would really like to upgrade, personally I love a lot of the new features implemented in mountain/lion but the whole mission control thing is really holding me back, IMO a huge downgrade with regards to the previous spaces and expose. It seems that for every couple new feature, they downgrade something else to make up for it, just to spite you or something LOLs. Honestly though, pretty annoying that they wouldn't at least give us the option to choose, it's not like we don't have the hard drive space now days to spare the few MBs it would require!
Lol free? Nah, I would see it at least at $9.99, but probably $29.99. Its a lot of money dude when you count how many users gonna buy it. I know, Apple got a lot of money, but why not to have even more? It definitely won't be free.
Swing and a miss, I do know what they are, but I do recognize that you wouldn't be ready to admit to making them.
An example, since you ask so nicely. You make the logical fallacy of Since A is made by C and B is made by C, thus A and B must be made the same.
And that A is more popular than B, thus A is something that B should aspire to become.
And that A is simple compared to B thus B can be made simple by behaving as A - nevermind that they're two completely different devices.
There's all sorts of logical fallacies in your argument, friend. I could go on, but you get the picture
Personally, I expect it will be free. Otherwise, how would Internet Recovery know what you're entitled to?
They are apparently moving to the iOS model where we'll see annual major releases. At those points, in my view, it is likely that they'll deprecate hardware faster than they have done before and the actual OS releases will be free.
I think this fix is also in the next Lion updateJust downloading ML - hope Parallels gonna work on this.
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I would even pay for this!
Swing and a miss, I do know what they are, but I do recognize that you wouldn't be ready to admit to making them.
An example, since you ask so nicely. You make the logical fallacy of Since A is made by C and B is made by C, thus A and B must be made the same.
And that A is more popular than B, thus A is something that B should aspire to become.
And that A is simple compared to B thus B can be made simple by behaving as A - nevermind that they're two completely different devices.
There's all sorts of logical fallacies in your argument, friend. I could go on, but you get the picture
Indeed I do. You ignore context and meaning and attack straw men (see, I can name them for you quickly).
For sure there will be a 10.7.4, it's still half a year until the release of 10.8, perhaps even a 10.7.5 - and some advertised "features" of Mountain Lion are actually a part of Lion as well, such as Gate Keeper, which is a built in feature of 10.7.3
Similarly the Mac App Store was actually advertised as a feature of Lion, while it was most certainly also available for Snow Leopard.
But in the end, Apple is very keen on ridding themselves of the name Lion, moving on and pretending they didn't release a turd. Mountain Lion is probably much much closer to what Apple envisioned when they envisioned Lion.
Still is probably a Vista-like fail, but less so than Lion - I'm sure.
Every interface element that OS X inherits from iOS dumbs it down, every API that demands iCloud and MAS account and connection dumbs it further down and every strange little useless UI decision made for seemingly no good reason and never fixed - dumbs the interface down.
All in all the Mac OS X interface is moving in the direction of being dumbed down, no question. D U M B
Seriously, it's not being "dumbed down".
It's not a whole new OS, really. A whole new OS would be OS 11. Incremental updates like this are exactly what they're doing. Mountain Lion doesn't rewrite the system anymore then Lion did and Snow Leopard did before that.
Says you - that's strictly opinion. Other people think it works fine.
All 'All My Files' is is a smart folder. You can create another one yourself if you think that the criteria doesn't make sense.
And if you're the type of person that needs to see ~/Library all the time then you're the type of person that would know to show hidden files. Most users don't care about it.
Heck, Windows does the same thing with configuration files and system files.
But in the end, Apple is very keen on ridding themselves of the name Lion, moving on and pretending they didn't release a turd. Mountain Lion is probably much much closer to what Apple envisioned when they envisioned Lion.
Still is probably a Vista-like fail, but less so than Lion - I'm sure.
There was nothing wrong with Lion. I installed it on day one and have encountered no problems with it at all. People just like to protest any little change.
If by "ignoring context" you mean seeing things your way and by "attacking straw men" you mean "eviscerating the arguments of an iOS enthusiast", then I guess I can accept that.
Internet recovery will be definitely based on some log-in process and then just recover? That means they know if you have a licence or not.
Maybe this become true, but that would mean they would be profiting just from HW, not SW. For now even its just $29 fot Lion, it will definitely cover at least some costs..
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I think it's not
And better add Expose to ML than Lion..If by "ignoring context" you mean seeing things your way and by "attacking straw men" you mean "eviscerating the arguments of an iOS enthusiast", then I guess I can accept that.
No, what I mean is you misrepresent the argument of your opponent, and take pride in attacking that misrepresentation. I don't know whether it is intentional or not, but it does make trying to have a discussion with you difficult. I'm glad when people disagree with me for it carries the conversation forward. I believe it helps both parties refine their positions, allowing each to learn from their disagreements. You do make some good points occasionally, but your general demeanor makes the overall experience one that is not worth pursuing further.
Should you show yourself willing to actually engage my position, I'll happily continue the conversation with you, but I fear that isn't your interests. It looks like you're more interested in putting on a show for your imagined audience.
I absolutely love Lion, especially on my MacBook Pro. Had very few issues going from Snow Leopard to Lion and found the new gestures so intuitive that I bought a touchpad.
Looking forward to Mountain Lion and the further iOS and iCloud integration that it brings.
I really see no reason to stick with Snow Leopard unless you run applications that are not supported on Lion or you don't have 64 bit hardware. Other than this I have not seen a valid argument against Lion other than the hardcore closet geeks who resent the new consumer focused Apple. I suppose you often find those who can't move with the times just stagnate and die, that's the natural order.
I run the following applications simultaneously every day in the office with no hangs/stutters/crashes or glitches.
Parallels 7 - running windows 7, 2gb ram and 1 CPU.
Office 2011, primarily outlook
mail
Safari
Transmit
Dreamweaver cs5
Photoshop cs5
iWork 09, mostly numbers
Skype
Zoiper communicator
And iTunes
Looking forward to Mountain Lion and the further iOS and iCloud integration that it brings.
I really see no reason to stick with Snow Leopard unless you run applications that are not supported on Lion or you don't have 64 bit hardware. Other than this I have not seen a valid argument against Lion other than the hardcore closet geeks who resent the new consumer focused Apple. I suppose you often find those who can't move with the times just stagnate and die, that's the natural order.
I run the following applications simultaneously every day in the office with no hangs/stutters/crashes or glitches.
Parallels 7 - running windows 7, 2gb ram and 1 CPU.
Office 2011, primarily outlook
Safari
Transmit
Dreamweaver cs5
Photoshop cs5
iWork 09, mostly numbers
Skype
Zoiper communicator
And iTunes
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Gosh, when you put it that way, I sure realize that I was looking at it all wrong and .... waitaminute! I can counter this with a: "oh yes it is being dumbed down!"
I have the sharpest retorts, and I'll use rubber/glue if pressed! Fair warning.
Just look at Gate Keeper, I feel dumber already! A system app that protects me from myself, yet I can override it and screw everything up anyway. It's a waste of space and an insult to users to boot.
They could protect, full draconian iOS style, or they can just leave us to manage our computers as we have done before just fine. Never have I lost data due to software terror, only due to faulty Apple hardware.
I know.
I know what you mean, though numbers are arbitrary and irrelevant. Just ask QuickTime 8 and 9 and FCP 8 and 9. You're referring to something similar as OS 9 to OS X
I know.
I know. But it's a dumb incremental direction. It's not big each time, but discernable in Lion, with Mountain Lion following the direction already set.
It's not revolutionary, it's not a rewrite, it's just a dumbification. Of course it is slow enough, so I have for instance been able to turn off almost all things that insult one's intelligent in Lion - but in ML it will be harder to avoid these things and in some cases impossible to avoid or turn off.
One either accepts the dumbification or finds other pastures. Apple will not back down on this, there's some serious cash to be plucked and they think they've chosen the right direction to said cash.
Not really, not everything is just strictly opinion. For sure it is my opinion that taking UI elements from a handheld, touchbased and tiny-screened, battery powered, limited capability and low performance device and grafting it into a machine exponentially more powerful and capable is DUMB, and bound to be worse than anything specifically thought out and designed for the superior machine.
However, it is also a fact, demonstrable fact, that everything that the iToy can do the Mac can do and with more latitude, touch screen could be installed in a Mac, if you so desired even.
The same could be said for an iPad and the iPod nano. Take the OS of the nano (a veriation of iOS), made and designed for a tiny screen - even compared to the iPad. Use all it's major elements in the iPad's iOS and consider whether that makes even any sense.
These are even relatively related products! Yet all apps would comprise of just one huge interface element and the icon screen would be replaced with just 4 huge icons.
The limitations of the iPod nano becoming very evident when plastered on an iPad. Similarly and even more evidently, the glaring limitations of the iPad stick out like a sore thumb when plastered into the much more advanced and capable Macintosh and Mac OS X.
Presenting the computer like that, by default is counter-intuitive (read: dumb) compared to the orderly ~/ folder presented by default in older Mac OS X - and yet even that was rather dumb instead of the Mac OS simply allowing one to choose where one's home folder is, that one can essentially approach the main drive as one desires and customize the Finder after one's heart. Instead everyone must use the Finder the same way - oh and in Lion all your files are in a pile. All of them (except of course some that Spotlight doesn't count)
In a perfect world, I would never want to see the ~/Library file ever. However, it is the place where most apps put their application support files and that's basically a place everyone must enter at one time or another.
So Apple is welcome to "simplify" the ~/Library folder away from my eyes when I am assured I never have to concern myself with that folder ever again. Until then, hiding it is dumbing down the interface, same as Windows does with its SYSTEM folder. Except it's a little bit easier to approach the SYSTEM folder in Windows, so it's that much less dumb. Amazingly.
True, but one doesn't have to entere CLI (Terminal or Go) to get to these "hidden" folders in windows, that is available from the menus.
Good for you, but that's little comfort for the vast number of people who have been very much annoyed with this latest escapade by Apple. For me it has been reasonably stable, though unusually many apps broke with this OS and it has been consistently slow, glitchy and ultimately not a charming experience UI-wise.
Ironically "people" at least people like me, yearn for change and have been asking for change for years and years. I made the point that the fundamental things of OS X have not changed since at least 10.4, it's more or less exactly the same. Except dumber (naturally) but it has not changed.
I for one welcome change, it has been too long, but not dumb change. Then it's better to keep the status quo. Change just to change is dumb. Dumb change is dumb change.
But that does not mean change is dumb. I hope you don't make the same logical fallacies as the John Doe
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Cute, but a total fantasy. I don't represent or misrepresent your view. If you feel that your point is not getting through, it's for one of the following reasons: you're not clear enough or your point is not clear enough.
As for straw men, I don't use them in making my point. No need, they're cheap shots.
They could get a lot more money from selling iOS upgrades as well. The amount of money Apple gets from selling OS X has become negligible to their bottom line. If they really want to attack Microsoft and the PC world, free annual OS upgrades with the purchase of a Mac is a pretty significant feature. One that Microsoft would not be able to counter directly without overhauling the system.
As someone who dislikes OSX, I think Mountain Lion is a good looking product. The things they've done make sense and have a purpose. I'm not that surprised that they announced it so early after the Vista-esque crap that they put unto Lion. I also can't help but feel that this is a weaker approach to integration than Windows 8, but it is the one that makes the most sense given the services they have available. I think its also good that they're using the publics comfort with iOS to slowly (maybe too slowly) bring in better cross-platform integration.
That's been your argument all along. No objective comparisons. Just "It's dumb."
So you criticize someone for no arguments yet you come up with nil? Just empty talk about technologies that make computer life better? How much better will a separate notes app and a reminders app make your life? Is that os update material? Do they accidentally happen to match the styling of ios?
How much better is the new monochromatic finder sidebar making your computer life, when people need colour cues instead of reading through the multitude of items on the sidebar. Is it making it your life better that you used to be able to drop a folder that had a customized image and now this folder defaults to monochrome on the sidebar.
They ended up advertising chinese as a major feature to the os, for crying out loud, if Balmer had pulled this cheap marketing trick to advertise a new ms os we would all be laughing our heads off.
Is it making your life better that on the .8 release of a major os you still don't have a way to scale up all the fonts of the os in resolution independence and we keep getting eye strain from the menu bar in ever increasing resolution screens?
Is everything popping up back to you upon restart on lion making your tech life better? Or is keeping by default versions making your life easier so you just keep redundant data by default on everything. Is a launcher app a la iphone really making your tech life that more better?
Is a calendar akin to ios better when it displays less information making your life better? Is contacts looking like a real life contacts book, much smaller and less helpful on a mac useful? Is a paradigm that fits well a tablet device good on the mac?
Where's a robust zfs type file system to handle data integrity better?
Where is a major rewrite to itunes that will be actually usable in syncing ios devices, than the bloatware that itunes has become that's become increasingly complex and unruly for the average person?
Ok icloud is good, but the cloud is a global trend in computing, nothing to write home about, airplay is also nice too, but again nothing to write home about.
No matter what misguided world apple devs live in, no matter what market speak we have here, this clearly is no more than a commercial service patch with major ios eye candy to attract more users and meet with windows 8 release.
You would think that the os x team would have actually got some hints from the reviews and the reception of os x 10.7 vista, you would think that they'd woken up and smelled the coffee, and that they were actually developing something useful, something that has an element of a few new USEFUL features, let alone some features that have a certain vision in them.
It's all good and well the reality distortion field when you do have something to back it up, but when you end up being run by accountants and people who only see the bottom line, and a bunch of **** scared developers for os x, too scared to deliver anything with real usefulness and insight in execution, and just stick one ios element on top of each other on os x that's what you get. And forcing these elements only for effects sake, not for usability.
This mountain lion is a very greedy one it seems, greedy to make even more bucks but one with very little finesse and vision in there, it's canibilizing tigers and leopards.
You wanted arguments, bring them on.
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Pfff if I actually disliked the Mac and OS X I'd agree with you and complement the choice of direction made by Apple wholeheartedly - because in that case it would just strike me as amusing to see Apple lead OS X into a dead-end.
But I don't dislike Mac OS X and I don't want them to go in the direction recommended by iOS fans as well as Windows fans.
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So you claim, yet it is for all to read that you're wrong about that. I've made all my arguments on objective fundament.
What you think about that is neither here nor there, it's for all to read who so desire. But the short story is, that you're very wrong.
So you claim, yet it is for all to read that you're wrong about that. I've made all my arguments on objective fundament.
What you think about that is neither here nor there, it's for all to read who so desire. But the short story is, that you're very wrong.
At least you are consistent.
I suppose you consider this to be based on "objective fundament."
Every interface element that OS X inherits from iOS dumbs it down, every API that demands iCloud and MAS account and connection dumbs it further down and every strange little useless UI decision made for seemingly no good reason and never fixed - dumbs the interface down.
All in all the Mac OS X interface is moving in the direction of being dumbed down, no question. D U M B