Apple Releases First Public Beta of macOS Mojave to Public Beta Testers

[macintoshmac]

Well according to Tim Cook "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"

So there you have it straight from the Ass' mouth or Horse's ass. Apple (since of course the CEO speaks for the company) does not believe anyone should buy a mac.

And don't forget "What's a computer?". Nobody at Apple has a clue.

One, he spoke of a PC, not a Mac. These guys still differentiate between a computer and a computer from the Apple stables. I don't think you understood where he was speaking.

Two, if you really do think that the company with such repute and history has no clue what a computer is (anymore), then I would humbly suggest you write off a mail to them and help them with the information. If not, let's not be that naive to think that these guys do not know what a computer is.

Just because they sometimes make mistakes with hardware and software, does not mean they have no clue.

 

[Tech198]

Seems to me that the BIGGEST news for Mojave is going to be support for APFS to include the FUSION and normal HDDs that were promised over a year ago.

That said, I'm going to wait until the official release; as I want to ensure that I don't lose everything, due to some upgrade to APFS, that isn't fully compatible with both my FUSION and HPFS+ drives.

I dunno why this could be an issue... the boot part is already fast and while its "technically not going to use APFS. the other part of the drive IS as its spinning. but APFS is drive based unfortunately, which is the biggest drawback i reckon, otherwise Apple could have been done.

Thus if APFS was partition based, not drive based, their would be no problem.

 

[macintoshmac]

They're not facing flak for delivering it. They're facing flak for being so completely inept that that new color scheme is the main thing they have to offer. And it's literally taken them years to deliver it. What, do they have 3 engineers in entire company and the rest of the $10 billion R&D budget is funnelled to the marketing department? Maybe the R&D budget goes to fund astroturfing on forums.

Dear Null0, start taking your fight to Apple directly, where it might be productive even, instead of just ranting off on forums.
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Officially, no. Unofficially, yes. However, in my case it required disabling the dedicated GPU (using an NVRAM variable, not permanently).

See this thread: macOS 10.14 Mojave on Unsupported Macs Thread

Would you kindly upload the wallpaper here?

 

[Ricktracer]

Can anyone please post the build number of this release?

 

[Jsameds]

MacOS Mojave. Inspired by the desert.

Because a vast, empty, lifeless wasteland truly captures how Apple feels about the Mac.

Bored of the lack of Mac criticism but that was funny. Have a like

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

It's sad the main new feature of an operating system is dark mode.

OS X/macOS has been steadily evolving since 1999. Are you expecting perhaps the Cold Fusion Extension, or is it the Zero Power Mode?
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MacOS Mojave. Inspired by the desert.

Because a vast, empty, lifeless wasteland truly captures how Apple feels about the Mac.

Yeah, that's why they are spending millions on a NEW TV Ad campaign.

Gimme a break, willya?

 

[thadoggfather]

What would be a minimum amount that works for testing this you think?

I might dual boot it with Sierra, and on top of already having Win10 partition too

 

[belvdr]

OS X/macOS has been steadily evolving since 1999. Are you expecting perhaps the Cold Fusion Extension, or is it the Zero Power Mode?
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Yeah, that's why they are spending millions on a NEW TV Ad campaign.

Gimme a break, willya?

I'm not expecting anything in particular. Again, I simply find it odd to have the main feature of an operating system to be dark mode. It's something I'd expect from a desktop environment, not an operating system.

 

[TMRJIJ]

FIFY

When Apple listens to the customer MR members desires:
Customers MR members: "Boooooooooo!!!"
Random MR member: “The mac is dead!”
@TMRJIJ: “My Leg!”

When Apple doesn't listen to customer MR members desires:
Customers MR members: "Boooooooooo!!!".
Random MR member: “Tim Cook sucks!”
@TMRJIJ: “Help! I can’t feel my leg...!”

...you people are unbelievable.

It’s mostly the MacRumors people that complain.

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

Did they fix the green button bug that hides the dock and file menu? Apple's been dodging that for years.
Did they fix the finder finally having cmd+x and cmd+v to move files from one location to another? How can you not follow a common command like that in something so critical like The Finder?

Because, unlike Windows Explorer, the Finder is designed to be maximally SAFE when copying files. I found out the hard way what happens when you do a MOVE in Windows, and then something goes wrong during the copy-phase...

YOU END UP WITH A FILE THAT IS NOW NOWHERE!!!

So, although it is an extra step to manually delete a file after you Copy it somewhere else, it gives the USER control over the most critical step: Verifying the Copy went OK BEFORE Deleting the "Original".

This is like Volvo car designs. The engineers at Volvo ALWAYS design features so that they FAIL in the SAFEST way possible. Sometimes, this isn't the most CONVENIENT (for the user) way; but the result is that you don't find most/all of the killer failure-modes that you do on many other automobile designs. You know, like the ones that make your car run over you in the driveway and such... Ask Anton Yelchin about that!

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbi...ctor-Anton-Yelchin-dies-car-crash-age-27.html
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While I understand this is a beta, it rendered my system nearly unproductive. iOS 12 beta on the other hand, has been great since beta 1.

Yes yes I get it, it's beta and it should be installed on back up machine, I wish they had taken the stable and performance approach on Mojave as well.

Hopefully in the next few betas I can see a performance boost that makes Mojave better than high Sierra.

Probably suffering from Spotlight Reindexing. Happens on nearly every major OS change. Leave your Mac on for a couple of days and see if the performance returns.

Kind of one of those few times when you wish Macs had "Drive lights".

 

[kguay]

Can anyone please post the build number of this release?

10.14 Beta (18A314k)

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I'm not expecting anything in particular. Again, I simply find it odd to have the main feature of an operating system to be dark mode. It's something I'd expect from a desktop environment, not an operating system.

Please explain the difference when it comes to macOS?

This isn't Linux, where you have 4 majorly-different "Desktop Environments" to confuse Users with. Did you not realize that?

So, while the "Dark Mode" is essentially a "Theme" for the "Presentation Manager", it is something that Mac users don't normally have the ability to change, other than specific tweaks.

 

[Defthand]

Seems to me that the BIGGEST news for Mojave is going to be support for APFS to include the FUSION and normal HDDs that were promised over a year ago.

That said, I'm going to wait until the official release; as I want to ensure that I don't lose everything, due to some upgrade to APFS, that isn't fully compatible with both my FUSION and HPFS+ drives.

My concern too. I totally skipped High Sierra for that reason.

Is anyone test driving the beta with a non-SSD drive?

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

How does it works on MacBook Air? I tried with first beta and it wasn't good. Blurred font and huge stability problem.

Stop drinking before you install!

[j/k]
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So we can't hope for any feedback on the the 2016-2017 MBPs. It's hard to type a feedback message to Apple when 10% of your keys don't work.

Their feedback should only be delayed by 5-7 days, as they take advantage of Apple's free keyboard replacement program.

 

[belvdr]

Please explain the difference when it comes to macOS?

This isn't Linux, where you have 4 majorly-different "Desktop Environments" to confuse Users with. Did you not realize that?

So, while the "Dark Mode" is essentially a "Theme" for the "Presentation Manager", it is something that Mac users don't normally have the ability to change, other than specific tweaks.

My point, again, is this sounds like something from the release notes of a desktop environment (i.e. GNOME or KDE), not a full operating system (i.e. Debian or macOS or Windows).

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

I get that if it was just merely an on/off switch of dark mode. However, if i understand correctly, there's a setting that the background will gradually get darker throughout the day and as evening sets in. Also, it has been a largely requested feature for many users for the last few years. Especially with the increase of Retina displays becoming the mainstream standard.

The feature you are talking about is that there are certain Desktops that can "track" the day/night cycle of their location. They call the feature "Dynamic Desktops":

https://www.apple.com/macos/mojave-preview/
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Well according to Tim Cook "I think if you're looking at a PC, why would you buy a PC anymore? No really, why would you buy one?"

So there you have it straight from the Ass' mouth or Horse's ass. Apple (since of course the CEO speaks for the company) does not believe anyone should buy a mac.

What's even more pathetic is Timmy "feels bad for" people stuck on a 5 year old windows computer. When Apple is currently selling as "new" mac pros that are more than 5 years old at the original price. And mac minis that are 4 years old and a downgrade from the 6 year old design. At the original price.

How can you possibly think my original statement is untrue. Apple has been 100% clear on that point for years. They don't want to sell you a mac, they want to sell you an iPad with an Apple Music account.

And don't forget "What's a computer?". Nobody at Apple has a clue.

You're ridiculous.
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My point, again, is this sounds like something from the release notes of a desktop environment (i.e. GNOME or KDE), not a full operating system (i.e. Debian or macOS or Windows).

And I say again: They are one and the same in macOS.
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They're not facing flak for delivering it. They're facing flak for being so completely inept that that new color scheme is the main thing they have to offer. And it's literally taken them years to deliver it. What, do they have 3 engineers in entire company and the rest of the $10 billion R&D budget is funnelled to the marketing department? Maybe the R&D budget goes to fund astroturfing on forums.

You're just ignoring all the non-user-facing improvements, too.

 

[VPrime]

Did they fix the green button bug that hides the dock and file menu? Apple's been dodging that for years.
Did they fix the finder finally having cmd+x and cmd+v to move files from one location to another? How can you not follow a common command like that in something so critical like The Finder?

It sounds like you don't know how a mac works.
option+click green button to expand so the window resizes to fit the entire content. (this may or may not be full screen depending on the content)
To move files use cmd+C, then use cmd+option+V to move it to the new location.

 

[PBG4 Dude]

What would be a minimum amount that works for testing this you think?

I might dual boot it with Sierra, and on top of already having Win10 partition too

I have it installed on an external SSD. No way do I want to corrupt my non-beta install just to try a beta.

 

[belvdr]

And I say again: They are one and the same in macOS.

They are locked in step, for sure, but not the same, just as they are in Windows. An operating system contains the desktop environment along with many, many other things; they are not equal. Did you not realize that?

 

[thadoggfather]

I have it installed on an external SSD. No way do I want to corrupt my non-beta install just to try a beta.

True

Good pre caution

My externals are slow spinning usb powered. I need an ssd external eventually

 

[raghu8912]

Agreed. All they have now is to rekindle an option we had in Mac OS 8-9 with Kaleidoscope. Except that did a lot more for customizability of user interface.
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Agreed. Its the equivalent of "Hey look, the new iPhone is red now so you should buy one!"

iPhone X has Face ID, great technology, so some new technology in iPhone, not just iPhone RED.

 

[GadgetBen]

Is it stable?

Public Beta’s should be

 

[MacsRuleOthersDrool]

They are locked in step, for sure, but not the same, just as they are in Windows. An operating system contains the desktop environment along with many, many other things; they are not equal. Did you not realize that?

I do realize that. For example, Finder is just another Application, albeit one without a "Quit" command.

But, in a very practical sense, in macOS, Apple's "Window Manager"/"Presentation Manager" is the ONLY choice you have for a GUI environment. To my knowledge, you simply CAN'T load-up another GUI and have a completely-different look and feel, like you can with Linux.

It is theoretically possible, but I don't think I have EVER seen it done in OS X/macOS. Someone probably has done it; but if they did, I think it would make the fansites, like MR. A quick Google didn't reveal anything I had missed, either.
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About as stable as the 2008 economy

I don't know; the 2008 economy was pretty stable, since "rock bottom" is a stable place...

 

[TimmeyCook]

It's sad the main new feature of an operating system is dark mode.

Meanwhile at the competition, Microsoft says the main feature is that they “fixed Notepad”.

 

[Yamcha]

One, he spoke of a PC, not a Mac. These guys still differentiate between a computer and a computer from the Apple stables. I don't think you understood where he was speaking.

Two, if you really do think that the company with such repute and history has no clue what a computer is (anymore), then I would humbly suggest you write off a mail to them and help them with the information. If not, let's not be that naive to think that these guys do not know what a computer is.

Just because they sometimes make mistakes with hardware and software, does not mean they have no clue.

I'm pretty sure Tim Cook was speaking broadly, and it wasn't a hit on Windows or Microsoft PC's. We know that thanks to the iPad Pro Ad where the child says "What's a computer?" that's a clear indication that Apple believes an iPad can replace traditional computers. I think Tim Cook has kind of hinted to that in more than one interview.

Obviously, for the Mac faithful it's a worrying thought. Macs haven't been updated in a very long time, and the prices are still just as high. I don't think it's unfair to say that Apple is focusing less on Macs.