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I knew I`m not so blind... Night Shift works again, as I expect it to work. Before 10.1.1 it was nearly shut off.
 
Another week and another round of updates for all of the Apple devices in the household. I remember when Apple products "just worked". Now I have to be a full-time administrator to keep up with all of these constant updates.
 
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As someone pointed out earlier in the thread, there is only one more update than last year. Remove 10.0.3 because that is iPhone 7 only, then you have the same amount of updates as of last year. You really think Steve Jobs was part of software development? Come on now, don't be ridiculous. Additional, 10.1 was a feature update, not strictly a bug fix. Every version of iOS gets a X.1.

Because there are multiple updates does not mean there are quality control issues. Most of the updates are for security fixes so they then included bug fixes as well. Why update just for a security fix if they can also include additional updates that have already been completed.

I would hardly saw software is declining from Apple. There are millions and millions of more people using their software than 5 years ago. Therefore, more bugs are likely to be discovered which in result would lead to more bug fixes. Its actually quite that simple.

Steve Jobs had his hand in all areas of the company, and yes that included software as well as hardware. I never said he was "part" of software development, he was CEO of the damn company and he was interested/involved in every part of the company including software, so your comment is totally off base.

When Apple bungled the release of MobileMe many years ago, that was SOFTWARE and Jobs chopped heads. He didn't accept crap (bad quality) from anyone. Here is an excerpt from Business Insider about how Jobs handled the MobileMe fiasco.

Jobs' reaction to MobileMe is legendary thanks to Adam Lashinsky's reporting. Jobs gathered the MobileMe team in Apple's auditorium, and
according to Lashinsky, said, "You've tarnished Apple's reputation ... You should hate each other for having let each other down."

He then replaced the leader of MobileMe on the spot. The clear implication: Do your job, do it well, or you will be fired.

Steve Jobs was defiantly "involved" in SOFTWARE!

Your comment about trying to leave out version 10.0.3 because that update was for the iPhone 7 is ridiculous, it was yet another version of IOS 10.

To your millions of people using IOS comment, well there are about 200 million people using Windows 10 worldwide, which is a far more complex operating system than IOS and yes there were software updates to Windows 10 including bug fixes (I already admitted that software has bugs), but Microsoft sure as hell didn't need to release five subsequent software updates to Windows 10 in as many weeks after the release of Widows 10.

The number of people using IOS is not the point, the number of subsequent releases in such a short period of time is the point. This is about software quality ... let me be clear on what I mean by software quality ... I am talking about the presence of software bugs that require an update from Apple. I am NOT talking about Apple's great software innovations, that is not in question.

Five updated versions of IOS 10 in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 ... that is pathetic.
 
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Your comment about trying to leave out version 10.0.3 because that update was for the iPhone 7 is ridiculous, it was yet another version of IOS 10.

To your millions of people using IOS comment, well there are about 200 million people using Windows 10 worldwide, which is a far more complex operating system than IOS and yes there were software updates to Windows 10 including bug fixes (I already admitted that software has bugs), but Microsoft sure as hell didn't need to release five subsequent software updates to Windows 10 in as many weeks after the release of Widows 10.

The number of people using IOS is not the point, the number of subsequent releases in such a short period of time is the point. This is about software quality ... let me be clear on what I mean by software quality ... I am talking about the presence of software bugs that require an update from Apple.

Five updated versions of IOS 10 in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 ... that is pathetic.

Two words: Security Updates.

As I already pointed out. MOST of these updates are for security reasons yet they include bug fixes. Today's update is a bug fix, but included security updates. So again, these bug fixes could have been held off for a bigger iOS update, but because they were already updating security issues, might as well include the bug fixes. There are over 1 billion iOS users, 5x the amount of Windows 10. Btw I said millions and millions of more users than 5 years ago.

When I used Windows 7, I would get 30+ security updates a month.
 
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Doesn't it seem like apple has so many bug updates lately? I feel like im on my ps4 and every update is to increase stability.

Does this address the lack of snappiness in safari? Serious question. Ever since the last update, my ipad's safari doesn't load certain pages like even macrumors and i have to keep refreshing until it "just works"

Would you rather they not issue bugfix updates, and instead be like Android phones where you're lucky to get a minor bugfix every few months and the phone no longer gets updates after a year or two?

I've seen the other side of the fence, and as much as Apple's been getting on our nerves lately, they're still the FAR better choice.
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Another week and another round of updates for all of the Apple devices in the household. I remember when Apple products "just worked". Now I have to be a full-time administrator to keep up with all of these constant updates.

Because you know, NOT getting updates and having to deal with bugs that never get fixed is far better...
 
Two words: Security Updates.

As I already pointed out. MOST of these updates are for security reasons yet they include bug fixes. Today's update is a bug fix, but included security updates. So again, these bug fixes could have been held off for a bigger iOS update, but because they were already updating security issues, might as well include the bug fixes. There are over 1 billion iOS users, 5x the amount of Windows 10. Btw I said millions and millions of more users than 5 years ago.

Well I have two words also: Poor Quality

Call them security updates, call them bug fixes, call them abortions during Halloween, I don't care what you call them or how you try to spin this. They ALL fall into the category of software defects, defects where some Apple software engineer made a coding mistake, a product manager incorrectly specified some functionality, or maybe some omission from Apple ... they are all "bugs", and I return to my previous statement.

Five updated versions of IOS 10 (bug fixes, security fixes, change the color of a happy face, etc.) in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 is pathetic and should never be tolerated.
 
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.......Five updated versions of IOS 10 in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 ... that is pathetic.
No thats Awesome! I love seeing updates come down. Means they are actively working on it and improving on it. But some of us are just wired that way and look for software updates for apps, Windows, iOS, MacOS etc. (disclaimer I am also on betas so yeah love seeing updates as often as possible). I can see where a general user would be a bit annoyed as they typically have no interest other than just using their device. Got a buddy still on iOS 6.0.1 and has no clue what that even means. He can make calls, send messages and email so happy as a bug. (no pun intended)
 
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Well I have two words also: Poor Quality

Call them security updates, call them bug fixes, call them abortions during Halloween, I don't care what you call them or how you try to spin this. They ALL fall into the category of software defects, defects where some Apple software engineer made a coding mistake, a product manager incorrectly specified some functionality, or maybe some omission from Apple ... they are all "bugs", and I return to my previous statement.

Five updated versions of IOS 10 (bug fixes, security fixes, change the color of a happy face, etc.) in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 is pathetic and should never be tolerated.

How in the world can you honestly sit here and call a security fix a defect in software? Honestly. So every Adobe Flash security fix is a defect? Every Windows security fix is a defect? Ever java security fix is a defect. Thats the most outrageous claim I've heard in a long time. There are new security threats DAILY to electronic devices. That does not mean its a defect in software.

ALL software has bugs. There is and will NEVER be a piece of software that is bug free. You claimed earlier you aren't looking for bug free software, but your responses seem to indicate otherwise.
 
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How about a fix, so I can actually use my new iPhone 7 plus w/ my car's bluetooth?!?!?

I just want a fix for bluetooth. Ever since the last update my bluetooth connect has been horrible, on my headphones and in my car...so frustrating.

I'm having issues with my 2011 Honda CR V. Sometimes it doesn't connect when i get in the car. Other times it disconnects after the car has been running for a while. Only way you would be able to tell (other than to try to make or receive a call) is that the little bluetooth symbol that represents it is connected disappears. Note my car only has hands free calling and does not do bluetooth music streaming.

I'm right there with you. iPhones have always had a tendency for occasionally flakiness on my car (been using BT for phone and audio streaming for years now) but they weren't that often (would retain phone connection but lose audio streaming, playback would all of a sudden be choppy yet have speed bursts). Since 10.1, it's been these scenarios x1000. Every time in the car I'd have issues, have had to delete/repair 3 times in last 3 days.
 
No thats Awesome! I love seeing updates come down. Means they are actively working on it and improving on it. But some of us are just wired that way and look for software updates for apps, Windows, iOS, MacOS etc. (disclaimer I am also on betas so yeah love seeing updates as often as possible). I can see where a general user would be a bit annoyed as they typically have no interest other than just using their device. Got a buddy still on iOS 6.0.1 and has no clue what that even means. He can make calls, send messages and email so happy as a bug. (no pun intended)

But how is it really that big of an inconvenience for daily users? 10 minutes at most? I also welcome updates. More frequent the better. It means software is getting better AND means more feature updates in the future.
 
How in the world can you honestly sit here and call a security fix a defect in software? Honestly. So every Adobe Flash security fix is a defect? Every Windows security fix is a defect? Ever java security fix is a defect. Thats the most outrageous claim I've heard in a long time. There are new security threats DAILY to electronic devices. That does not mean its a defect in software.

There were plenty of bug fixes crammed into the numerous releases of IOS 10, and a security fix yes is right up there with "bugs" because some engineer did not anticipate a vulnerability and is now correcting for that oversight.

So back to my point, five SEPERATE releases of IOS (10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.1, 10.1.1) in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 is pathetic, but keep spinning this for Apple it's fun to watch.
 
Would you rather they not issue bugfix updates, and instead be like Android phones where you're lucky to get a minor bugfix every few months and the phone no longer gets updates after a year or two?

I've seen the other side of the fence, and as much as Apple's been getting on our nerves lately, they're still the FAR better choice.
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Because you know, NOT getting updates and having to deal with bugs that never get fixed is far better...

Very valid points! Although it would never happen, perhaps it would alleviate some of our workload if Apple just updated their major operating systems every 18-24 months instead of every 12.
 
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There were plenty of bug fixes crammed into the numerous releases of IOS 10, and a security fix yes is a "bug" because some engineer did not anticipate a vulnerability and is now correcting for that oversight.

So back to my point, five SEPERATE releases of IOS (10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.1, 10.1.1) in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 is pathetic, but keep spinning this for Apple it's fun to watch.

Again, for the 3rd time, iOS 10.0.1 cannot be counted. That is Public Release/GM. There was never a 10.0 seed. So that would be 4 in 7 weeks. 10.1 was primarily a feature update for 7Plus and therefore cannot be chalked up to a full bug release update. iOS 10 is at 4 (including 10.1) in 7 weeks, while iOS 9 had 3 in 5 weeks. iOS 8 had 5 in 10 weeks. iOS 7 had 4 in 10 weeks. iOS 10 is pretty much on track with previous releases.

I'm not spinning anything. I am laying out 100% factual evidence. You apparently just don't like facts.
 
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ok so did this fix anything other than health that we can notice? I'm so sick of the bickering I can never find the information I really need by reading the comments. This is ridiculous.
 
No thats Awesome! I love seeing updates come down. Means they are actively working on it and improving on it. But some of us are just wired that way and look for software updates for apps, Windows, iOS, MacOS etc. (disclaimer I am also on betas so yeah love seeing updates as often as possible). I can see where a general user would be a bit annoyed as they typically have no interest other than just using their device. Got a buddy still on iOS 6.0.1 and has no clue what that even means. He can make calls, send messages and email so happy as a bug. (no pun intended)

I admit that software updates are better than no software updates, but my point is that Apple has been forced to release five separate software updates to IOS in less than seven weeks after the release of IOS 10. I think that is unacceptable.

Apple should have done a better job at testing and quality control before releasing IOS 10. Remember, there are sill numerous other reported bugs in IOS 10; there have been reports of Bluetooth problems with autos, reports of program hangs when people launch the Dialer or Contact manger, not to mention other complaints. But Apple's keeps bugs/complaints so secret it's hard to estimate how many true software defects exist with IOS 10.
 
But how is it really that big of an inconvenience for daily users? 10 minutes at most? I also welcome updates. More frequent the better. It means software is getting better AND means more feature updates in the future.
HA interesting you pointed that out. I had initially had in my post ...." however its not like its a big deal, press the button and leave your device alone for a few minutes and BAM its updated and ready for use in a few min pretty painlessly" . I just removed that statement before posting :)

Oh and I said "a bit annoyed" not a big inconvenience. And you are correct its not.
 
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Again, for the 3rd time, iOS 10.0.1 cannot be counted. That is Public Release/GM. There was never a 10.0 seed. So that would be 4 in 7 weeks. 10.1 was primarily a feature update for 7Plus and therefore cannot be chalked up to a full bug release update. iOS 10 is at 4 (including 10.1) in 7 weeks, while iOS 9 had 3 in 5 weeks. iOS 8 had 5 in 10 weeks. iOS 7 had 4 in 10 weeks. iOS 10 is pretty much on track with previous releases.

I'm not spinning anything. I am laying out 100% factual evidence. You apparently just don't like facts.

All those versions contained at least one "bug" fix or something that required a new version ... period. There was a version 10.0, you admitted it earlier. If I counted 10.0 that would be six releases, but I'm not counting 10.0.

You are a great spin doctor for Apple, I think you would do a great job working on a political campaign.
 
I admit that software updates are better than no software updates, but my point is that Apple has been forced to release five separate software updates to IOS in less than seven weeks after the release of IOS 10. I think that is unacceptable.

Apple should have done a better job at testing and quality control before releasing IOS 10. Remember, there are sill numerous other reported bugs in IOS 10; there have been reports of Bluetooth problems with autos, reports of program hangs when people launch the Dialer or Contact manger, not to mention other complaints. But Apple's keeps bugs/complaints so secret it's hard to estimate how many true software defects exist with IOS 10.
FOUR updates!! 4!!! Stop saying 5 in 7 weeks, because thats false.
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All those versions contained at least one bug fix ... period. You are a great spin doctor for Apple, I think you would do a great job working on a political campaign.

Again, you did not retract your 5 in 7 weeks, even though its false and you know it. Its 4 updates. 10.0.1 was PUBLIC release not an update. I'm not spinning a single thing, only relaying facts that you don't seem to accept.

I have said this 4 times now. They release security fixes and include bug fixes because its easier to do and more convenient than saving all the bug fixes for a single update.
 
There were plenty of bug fixes crammed into the numerous releases of IOS 10, and a security fix yes is right up there with "bugs" because some engineer did not anticipate a vulnerability and is now correcting for that oversight.

So back to my point, five SEPERATE releases of IOS (10.0.1, 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.1, 10.1.1) in less than seven weeks since the release of IOS 10 is pathetic, but keep spinning this for Apple it's fun to watch.
In all fairness, the majority of users only got 3. iOS 10.0.1 was the initial released update for non iP7 users and no one got 10.0.3 other than iP7 users.
 
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Another week and another round of updates for all of the Apple devices in the household. I remember when Apple products "just worked". Now I have to be a full-time administrator to keep up with all of these constant updates.

Wow. Very burdensome. But how about those daily windows updates? I think you would be happier with them as you could complain on a daily basis.
 
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FOUR updates!! 4!!! Stop saying 5 in 7 weeks, because thats false.
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Again, you did not retract your 5 in 7 weeks, even though its false and you know it. Its 4 updates. 10.0.1 was PUBLIC release not an update. I'm not spinning a single thing, only relaying facts that you don't seem to accept.

I have said this 4 times now. They release security fixes and include bug fixes because its easier to do and more convenient than saving all the bug fixes for a single update.

Even though you said earlier that IOS 10 was the initial release on the iPhone 7, go ahead and count 10 (10.0.1) as the public release ... there still have been FIVE SEPERATE versions of the IOS operating system since it's release to the public on September 16, 2016 ... those five IOS versions are separately numbered as 10 (10.0.1), 10.0.2, 10.0.3, 10.1, 10.1.1 ... add them up or if it's easier, I suggest you count them on your fingers if that helps ... FIVE separate version numbers of IOS.

So that is FIVE separate versions of IOS software released to the public over LESS than a SEVEN week period.
 
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