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I suspect since they mention database corruption that these photos were on your device but not referenced in the database.

Apple added code to recover these photos (including possibly non-deleted ones that you've lost) and didn't check if they'd been deleted.

They played it safe, better to recover something thought deleted than to not recover something that was lost. I agree with this thinking.

At least that's my speculation. Orphaned data recovery that was too ambitious.

For the record I didn't get any resurfaced photos myself.

So the db spontaneously gets corrupted then magically heals itself and a bug allows once deleted photos to miraculously reappear. It’s a bunch of Apple doublespeak.
 
Btw, the reddit user with that wiped & sold ipad story not only deleted that post but also their entire account
Yes, that dude probably got scared after caught lying and people looking through his profile and post noticing all the things he said were not collaborating with his “problem”, or did Apple contact him directly? We might never know but it’s something to keep in mind and learn from it, to not believe everything we see here and don’t jump immediately into bandwagons.
 
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Glad to see the update rolling out and hopefully the issue is fully fixed.
 
Not sure if im 100% onthis but i could have sworn when i woke up this morning and put on my Apple Watch there was a WatchOS update notification showing that needed to be done, but now that i got back home and went to check to update it's saying I'm on the latest version?

Was an update out this morning for the Watch also or was i seeing things??
 


Apple today released iOS 17.5.1 and iPadOS 17.5.1, minor updates to the iOS 17 and iPadOS 17 operating system updates that came out last September. The 17.5.1 updates come a week after the launch of iOS 17.5 and iPadOS 17.5.

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iOS 17.5.1 and iPadOS 17.5.1 can be downloaded on eligible iPhones and iPads over-the-air by going to Settings > General > Software Update.

According to Apple's release notes, the updates include a fix for an issue that could cause images to reappear in the Photos library even after being deleted. There have been several complaints from iPhone and iPad users who saw their old, deleted photos resurfacing after installing the iOS 17.5 update. Images deleted as far back as 2010 were surfacing again, leading to confusion and worry over what was going on. Apple's information today indicates that it was a database corruption issue, and iOS 17.5.1 should solve the problem.



Article Link: Apple Releases iOS 17.5.1 With Fix for Reappearing Photos Bug
Yes, thank you, Apple, Inc., for this fix. But isn’t the U.S. government going to sue your trillion-dollar company for retaining our deleted pictures for so many years? I thought Apple was an advocate for security, yet the U.S. government remains silent on this issue. Take Huawei, for example. They have been scrutinized by the U.S. government, with the American people viewing them as spies, and ZTE too. They are collectors of personal data and are seen as puppets of the Chinese government. But now, both the USA and EU are aware of these scandalous anomalies involving Apple, and yet they haven’t made a single move! Why???!!! Because they are the protagonists!!! They are angels!! What the!!! Biases, you Mo****!
 
Heh. What's the alternative, Android?

Repeat after me: duopoly. Apple is just the option that sucks less.

Well, if you don't trust at all any company which makes the very foundation of the computing devices you use, you're condemned to have a miserable computing life. When was the last time you was happy as an iPhone user?

I on the other hand, trust Apple, and are quite happy using their products and services.
 
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Heh. What's the alternative, Android?

Repeat after me: duopoly. Apple is just the option that sucks less.

This. When people were laughing at Nokia and BlackBerry in the past, I was saying "look... you may be happy now with your iPhone/Android, but you won't be happy when they will be the only two choices"

And now people complain because every year there is almost to none innovation compared to the previous model or because their favourite OS still is not capable of doing certain things.

Lack of competition kills innovation.
 
Well, if you don't trust at all any company which makes the very foundation of the computing devices you use, you're condemned to have a miserable computing life. When was the last time you was happy as an iPhone user?

I on the other hand, trust Apple, and are quite happy using their products and services.
I don't trust Apple, or Microsoft and I'm happy with my computing needs. Not crossing the road blindly stops me getting run over I hope from either companies lack of care for there users, they have your money each year both for incremental upgrades, everyone's jumping on AI to shift hardware and software in a stale market (hey guys look its shiny and new with AI) so I don't trust that, and I don't trust the M4 not to have GoFetch as that CPU was built along with the M3 and changing architecture takes a lot of time and a lot of work so for all I know the new AI capable Apple can do no wrong chips may still have that flaw until someone proves otherwise.

Being blind in the tech world and trusting huge companies like Apple and Microsoft in my view is not the best of moves. They honestly don't care about you, they just want you to buy the latest shiny from them whether you need it or not and I stopped being that blinkered ages ago.
 
The same thing happens to me all the time with messages. I'll erase them from my iPhone, Apple will present me with a statement saying it will be erased from all my devices. I erase it and it's gone. Then I start up an old iPad I haven't used in a long time and voila! I get three years of messages downloaded (messages that were supposed to be permanently erased).

This is a common problem with distributed systems.

How do you delete something in devices which are not connected and how long to you store information about deleted items?
 
So the db spontaneously gets corrupted then magically heals itself and a bug allows once deleted photos to miraculously reappear. It’s a bunch of Apple doublespeak.
No, Apple healed the DB in 17.5. The DB being healed was the cause of the reappearing photos, in other words the DB healing was a bug fix which led to another bug which caused deleted photos to reappear. The DB never “magically healed”
 
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This bug happened to me, had a few photos I didn't even recognise taking...
It was about a week ago but my memory is bad. :rolleyes:

I don't understand how deleted photos can re-appear and the explanation about file recovery bla bla bla...
When you delete a photo it goes to "deleted" album, so you always have a chance to recover this way.

As for overwriting HDDs which you could do on Mac years ago, doesn't it work differently when it comes to SSD/flash memory? This is why there is no such option on modern macs anymore.
 
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This is no where near good enough, and the way that's it's written treats this massive red flag as simply "case closed". A corrupted database doesn't just resurrect long deleted photos from past. If photos from 2010 are appearing on device, they are being stored somewhere, and (likely) not locally on iPhones. I think this pretty much confirms what lots of us have suspected – nothing is ever deleted, act accordingly.
Yes if that's true they would have to store them somewhere in the cloud, but on the other hand imagine the wasted space, for what?

If someone deleted a photo in 2010 it means they used a different iPhone to take the photo, so it's really weird.
 
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This is no where near good enough, and the way that's it's written treats this massive red flag as simply "case closed". A corrupted database doesn't just resurrect long deleted photos from past. If photos from 2010 are appearing on device, they are being stored somewhere, and (likely) not locally on iPhones. I think this pretty much confirms what lots of us have suspected – nothing is ever deleted, act accordingly.
incorrect. unless you use iCloud Photos, everything is stored on device. but remember that if you restore a backup, that corrupted photos database comes along with it, as people have had photos restored when they didn't even use iCloud Photos, so it has nothing to do with the photos being stored anywhere but rather the fact that the photos just weren't properly deleted from the database. Corruption, as I said numerous times previously in this thread, happens. it is extremely rare these days but when it happens it tends to stick around, esp. if you restore your device from backups. however, back even a decade ago corruption was a lot more common due to filesystems not being properly designed for NAND flash. Apple didn't correct this until iOS 10.3 in March 2017 with the migration to APFS. But change of filesystem doesn't fix corrupted files; so its likely that as iOS 17.5 modified the way the photos database is handled, their changes caused older photos to unexpectedly be restored, so they had to issue a bug fix to prevent deleted photos from resurfacing in the future. but isn't a privacy issue, or anything of that sort. technology is just incredibly finicky and fragile.
 
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I’m sorry but this headline, implying that it was just nude photos impacted, is the worst kind of clickbait. I noticed this story doesn’t allow comments either. Most likely because the comments would have chastised the headline. Is this the kind of site Nilay Patel wants to run?

This is why it was odd the other day when someone suggested that AI summarizing news stories isn't needed since headlines already summarize it for us.

Headlines are useless nowadays. That's not to say AI will summarize things any better, but their point was odd.
 
The prior update caused my Recently Deleted folder in Files to resurface a load of failed direct downloads of epub files I made about a year ago. They’re still there after this .1 update, greyed out, and unable to be deleted. Good work Apple, ha!

I have ZERO faith in their Cloud solutions. In Files, amongst my favourite folders on the left is a folder called “Giant Bomb” where I stored video files from said videogame website…nearly 10 years ago. I ceased using that website years ago, been trying to delete it for 7+ years, it goes then reappears randomly even now. Long since given up trying to remove it.
 
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I really hope a lawyer goes to court for a class action status
Pretty sure some customers would have to sue first. It'll have to be customers who actually had "damages" though. If this bug didn't have an effect personally on you for example, you can't really sue for it. I mean you can sue for anything, but I doubt a lawyer would take a case from you if you experienced nothing but reading about it.
 
I suspect since they mention database corruption that these photos were on your device but not referenced in the database.

Apple added code to recover these photos (including possibly non-deleted ones that you've lost) and didn't check if they'd been deleted.

They played it safe, better to recover something thought deleted than to not recover something that was lost. I agree with this thinking.

At least that's my speculation. Orphaned data recovery that was too ambitious.

For the record I didn't get any resurfaced photos myself.
This si the first comment that makes sense regarding this bug, still a big eff-up by Apple and we are owned an explanation.
 
Almost like things can happen to others while not happening to all.

I wouldn't call it that funny, I'd call that how 99.9% of things work in the world.
Funning when people try to start problems. But I don't answer because that's what they want. Again, I am not falling for it. It's called prevention.
 
My best friend and I often have Apple discussions. They start with excitement about a new product or feature and often end with complaints about annoying bugs that have existed for years.

I could write pages of complaints about Apple bugs or lack of obvious features.

This bug with photos wouldn’t make my list.
After FaceId authenticates that it’s really me, my iPhone might show me pictures I had deleted.
Meh.
 
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