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I think a better update to be watching, and a better indication of when our iDevices can be updated officially to 4.2, will be when the Apple TV is updated. Surely it has to be updated first, for AirPlay.

You'd have thought so, but by that logic it should have been updated before iTunes as well, so I wouldn't be so sure.
 
Minor fixes?

I hope they fix printing, because it doesn't work at all for me.

I cannot:
1. Print wirelessly to my HP printer.
2. Print through iTunes and my Mac to that printer.
 
We live in an amazing time, and people take it for granted.

Indeed. When someone complains that X isn't working the way they want, I remind them it's amazing it works at all. Whiners on this thread need a little appreciation that they'll be able to get & update the OS in minutes of release, from almost anywhere in the USA, for an "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic" device which costs less than a week's net pay. ...and they're flipping out because Apple found and is fixing a few notable bugs before the promised (and not contracted) deadline?
 
Wirelessly posted (Mozilla/5.0 (iPhone; U; CPU iPhone OS 4_1 like Mac OS X; en-us) AppleWebKit/532.9 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Mobile/8B117 Safari/6531.22.7)

Jesus Christ. Please just release something and THEN release the app / issue specific patches. I'm running 3.2 and don't have a dev account, and I can't stand these delays any longer.

i know what you mean!!!! I can't stand not having ios 4 on my ipad!!!
 
I think a better update to be watching, and a better indication of when our iDevices can be updated officially to 4.2, will be when the Apple TV is updated. Surely it has to be updated first, for AirPlay.

Has anyone confirmed that it will be updated? I find it weird that they don't release dev builds of Apple TV firmware
 
4.2 is just a mess. First it breaks WiFi on the iPad and now it breaks all VoIP multitasking? What's going on over there at Cupertino? :eek:
 
I hope they fix printing, because it doesn't work at all for me.

I cannot:
1. Print wirelessly to my HP printer.
2. Print through iTunes and my Mac to that printer.

Where have you been that last two weeks?
Apple has removed AirPrint support for shared printers. Mac OS X 10.6.5 brought AirPrint support, but only for ePrint capable printers. Even these printers need an update from HP in order to support AirPrint.

If you need AirPrint, I would suggest you get Printopia.
 
Has anyone confirmed that it will be updated? I find it weird that they don't release dev builds of Apple TV firmware

Why would they? There is no SDK (yet) for Apple TV, and therefore no developers who need to test their apps against it.
 
Yup.

iPad 3G was promised in April - and showed up 4/30/10 at 5:00PM, just seven hours to go.

We've got almost a half-month to go and some nutcases are screaming "It's late!"

june 22nd is was too late!!!!

heck april 4th was too late..... in my opinion...

yea i know... after i post this i will get hammered, but oh well
 
Amazing the impatience of ppl.

Apple has more to consider than those like us who peruse Apple news etc... How many of the 150m or so iOS users even realise there is an update coming... The number will be a lot smaller than u think

The os is getting more complex and complexity = more bugs. At least they're trying to prevent show-stoppers as the bad press they would get from a bad one is much worse than a delay reported only in the Apple blogosphere.

We still have almost 2 weeks of November left anyway.
 
No they don't "HAVE" to
Yes they do unless if they want to now look inconsistent. If the bugs affected everyone then they would have simply held back 4.2 and released another GM "BUILD". The versions 4.2, 4.2.1 are "RELEASE" versions. They have to release 4.2 if they intend on releasing 4.2.1.

Apple has often released a 10.x release and quickly released a 10.x.x patch update soon after.

They can have multiple GM candidate 4.2 builds but once they start releasing 4.2.1 for testing to developers, that means that 4.2 is going out the door otherwise, they would have just release another 4.2 GM with the bug fixed rolled in.

I am a software developer and so I can tell you that teams will release a release candidate to UAT and then release a version such as 8.x to production. If bugs are found which are critical after it has been sent for release, a patch like 8.x.1 has to be developed, released and installed even if it ends up being installed almost immediately after the 8.x release.

Here is an illustration of how the majority of software development works:

1. A release scope is developed and given either a major or minor version increment.
2. That release is developed and tested by QA.
3. That release is tested in UAT or beta testing.
4. That release has multiple "builds" ie.
8.1 build 1
8.1 build 2
...
8.1 build 351 (RC)
....
8.1 build 401 (GM) Released to production with testing continuing.
Bugs found
8.1.1 build 1
...
8.1.1 build 23 (GM) Patch released to production.

8.1 installed if no show stoppers found.
8.1.1 installed same day if show stoppers found in original release, otherwise installed later.
 
Amazing the impatience of ppl.

Apple has more to consider than those like us who peruse Apple news etc... How many of the 150m or so iOS users even realise there is an update coming... The number will be a lot smaller than u think

The os is getting more complex and complexity = more bugs. At least they're trying to prevent show-stoppers as the bad press they would get from a bad one is much worse than a delay reported only in the Apple blogosphere.

We still have almost 2 weeks of November left anyway.

can't apple offer the betas for free? i would choose a million bugs, glitches, exploits, and issues. over a delay any day...... but that is just me.

and everybody else can get the bug free version when it is ready.
 
You make me sad for humanity. We have all this amazing technology, we can do such incredible things. I mean you have a tablet computing device that is more powerful than the computer used to launch humans into space. You can communicate with everyone instantly and play mindless games while on the toilet at a gas station in the middle of nowhere.

We have all this, and yet you still aren't happy. You get frustrated over such a pointless thing like being able to put your virtual crap into folders so you can feel better about using this amazing piece of technology.

You are spoiled and you don't realize how awesome it is to have what you have. You need to chill out and just enjoy it. When 4.2 hits it will be even more enjoyable, but not having it doesn't make it any less incredible.

I'm pretty sure he was joking.
 
Once you've named a build of a particular version the 'golden master', you can't really reuse the same term for another build of the same version!

I agree wholeheartedly, but man, you'd be surprised (or not, depending on what you do for a living) at how often people do.

Getting a chuckle about all the twisted panties around here.

k.
(release engineer)
 
So someone tell me, or PM, how do I seed the ispw to share amonst the brave online? I use Vuze.
 
Why would they? There is no SDK (yet) for Apple TV, and therefore no developers who need to test their apps against it.

True, but the developers could test the firmware for bugs, and it can also be used for devs to test airplay in their apps since it doesn't support it fully yet.
 
Didn't they release something right before Thanksgiving a few years ago? I remember going out of town for Thanksgiving and remebering to take my laptop so I could update my phone that night when I got where I was going.

iOS 2.2 was released November 21, 2008.
 
I agree wholeheartedly, but man, you'd be surprised (or not, depending on what you do for a living) at how often people do.

Getting a chuckle about all the twisted panties around here.

k.
(release engineer)
You can have a GM release candidate BUILD and a GM release BUILD. You can have multiple RCs or GM RCs but only one GM release. Generally, you never release a x.x.x version without first releasing a x.x version first.

It is not GM until it is released to manufacture (in the case of CD based software) or the the public as in the case of iOS update.
 
Yes they do unless if they want to now look inconsistent. If the bugs affected everyone then they would have simply held back 4.2 and released another GM "BUILD". The versions 4.2, 4.2.1 are "RELEASE" versions. They have to release 4.2 if they intend on releasing 4.2.1.

Apple has often released a 10.x release and quickly released a 10.x.x patch update soon after.

They can have multiple GM candidate 4.2 builds but once they start releasing 4.2.1 for testing to developers, that means that 4.2 is going out the door otherwise, they would have just release another 4.2 GM with the bug fixed rolled in.

I am a software developer and so I can tell you that teams will release a release candidate to UAT and then release a version such as 8.x to production. If bugs are found which are critical after it has been sent for release, a patch like 8.x.1 has to be developed, released and installed even if it ends up being installed almost immediately after the 8.x release.

Here is an illustration of how the majority of software development works:

1. A release scope is developed and given either a major or minor version increment.
2. That release is developed and tested by QA.
3. That release is tested in UAT or beta testing.
4. That release has multiple "builds" ie.
8.1 build 1
8.1 build 2
...
8.1 build 351 (RC)
....
8.1 build 401 (GM) Released to production with testing continuing.
Bugs found
8.1.1 build 1
...
8.1.1 build 23 (GM) Patch released to production.

8.1 installed if no show stoppers found.
8.1.1 installed same day if show stoppers found in original release, otherwise installed later.


Nice description as it shows some people in this forum actually have some sense of software development. Simply amazed at all the people in here who know nothing of software development cycles and are yet so willing to install test applications. Anyway.

The reason, in your example for installing 8.1 on a device, prior to 8.1.1 is a function of the software itself not the naming convention. I have no idea what upgrade actions they have in the installer. But if it was required, it would be easy to assume they would bundle 8.1 and 8.1.1 into a single package.

You make your point, but I just don't see Apple having a hard requirement to ship 4.2 prior to 4.2.1.
 
Some of the people on this thread need to chill.

Apple will release this OS update when it's ready. Hopefully, that will be November. But if it's not, is it really such a big deal? Really?

I've been working with the beta builds - and some of the bugs encountered have been crippling. The wi-fi bug meant that my iPad was unusable as an Internet device. But I expect those types of probs when running a beta on a test device.

I wouldn't expect that as a normal user - and you wouldn't/shouldn't either.

Quit the whining and wait for a stable OS release, rather than hope Apple release something half-baked.

RTP.
 
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