Apple Releases iPhone SDK, Demos Spore, Instant Messaging

[stokessd]

Think of the amazingly cool stuff the iPhone hacking community has made with their cobbled together toolchain. Now they have the official SDK. So they were able to jailbreak and unlock easily for 4 software versions, and make cool stuff like triazzle (sp?) with effectively zero apple support and only their insight to guide them. I suspect the next 4 months in jailbreak land are going to be seriously productive give that they now have some official tools and documentation. If these folks can jailbreak, getting apps on a jailbroken phone from the SDK via a direct connection is trivial.

So no, if you are at all adventurous there will be a mountain of apps out before 4 months.

Sheldon

 

[RickJames69]

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I can tell people that I write software programs for the apple iPhone. And am partners in the profit 70 vs 30! WHEWHEW!!!!!

 

[Spades]

ok, 1) you are intentionally misrepresenting what i said. for anyone who cares, notice that Spades here made up his own quote of mine since you can't click the blue ">" to go back to my original message when he quoted me as saying "Quote:
Originally Posted by happydude
Are you purposefully being ignorant to make a point, or did you miss the part where Steve Jobs said that developers could release free applications (free for the developer, free for the customer)?"

2) plenty of people are refuting what you are saying. common, just give up.

3) i'm reporting you for negligent behavior for purposely misquoting me.

That's just because of how I quoted you. I manually typed in the quote. Your post isn't so far back that people can't scroll back to it. I'm also in no way misrepresenting what you said. My argument: "Apple is charging for access to be able to pay more." Your argument: "There are free apps." My argument: "There are free and pay apps. They're charging for access to both."

Edit: Sorry, I see my mistake now. The second part of my post should have been attributed to aristobrat. Very very sorry about that. It was a mistake, not intentional. That's what I get for manually typing it.

I've corrected the mistake.

 

[lsyx]

I actually like the idea of charging to put up apps. This way folks are only going to submit an app if it's worth paying to put up. We won't get a bunch of half-assed "what celebrity are you?" applications, and the pool will be more refined and well-functioning. Plus, if you want to distribute your app for free, you can just put up the xcode project so anyone with the SDK can compile and install it.

 

[DaveTaylor]

anyone upload a mirror?

 

[askegg]

Update: Apple has said they will not restrict VOIP (voice over IP) applications that use Wifi, but will not allow VOIP applications that use cellular networks.

Skype on the iPhone? Yay!

 

[BongoBanger]

Symbian us on the Blackberries. They actually do a much better job than the iPhone can in the power user/enterprise user section of the phone industry. Apple doesn't even have an iWork Mobile app to put on the iPhone, and they could have made that themselves.

Not sure Symbian is used by RIM. I thought it was a proprietary OS?

 

[Ryanr14]

Look, this SDK is already coming out late and the fact that it will be an entire 1/4 of a year before we see anything useful to us makes this not so good.

For crying out loud, what is it with Apple and premature announcements? This is getting ridiculous. It's going to get to the point where people stop paying attention. At least don't build it up like hey here are all these apps you've really been wanting, but oh - wait a minute - they're still vaporware! Jokes on you you stupid Apple fanboy! We don't actually have anything, we're just teasing you and you'll be both grateful and lucky to get squat in at least four months from now!

I'm tired of it. Dammit, this thing should already do instant messaging and exchange. I'm tired of not being able to send a damn picture, an instant message, or use this thing for anything of value besides making phone calls. I shouldn't be teased with a live announcement announcing the very things I have been waiting for only to be told at the end of it that they don't exist yet!

If that doesn't piss you off than I just don't understand. How can it not?

It's not about Apple is good or Apple is evil. It's about managing expectations and not alienating your customers. It wasn't that long ago that Microsoft had to bail Apple out. They ought not forget that. The arrogance is astounding.

No one made you buy the iPhone?!? So if it doesn't do what you wanted it to why would you buy it?

 

[j-a-x]

Downloading...

I am currently downloading the SDK. It's HUGE (2.1 GB).

Is anybody else currently downloading or am I the only one?

250 KB/s ETA 4 pm CST.

 

[BettyBad]

Just saw the news, and all I can think of is:

Game. Set. Match.

Agree!! They complainers and the people who don't get how great the announcements are the people who should refer to Steve Jobs quoting Henry Ford


"If I'd have asked my customers what they wanted, they would have told me "A faster horse."

 

[jmorrison0722]

hrmmm

Seems to me that the sweet spot here will be the 'Free' apps that add functionality to 'Pay' apps on OS X and Windows. Charge nothing for the iPhone functionality, draw people to your Mac/Win app. Otherwise, if the iPhone app is going to bring in bucks directly, Apple deserves a cut I would think.

 

[happydude]

That's just because of how I quoted you. I manually typed in the quote. Your post isn't so far back that people can't scroll back to it. I'm also in no way misrepresenting what you said. My argument: "Apple is charging for access to be able to pay more." Your argument: "There are free apps." My argument: "There are free and pay apps. They're charging for access to both."

you manually typed in the quote and attributed it to me because i never wrote it. for one, i almost never capitalize, so . . . busted. two, please just link my quote and i'll apologize . . . oh wait, i never wrote that so i won't have to.

 

[parapup]

Develop for someone else then, nobody is forcing you to download the use the SDK for the iPhone. Go about it yourself, what with your own billing system to take care of and all the other admin like tasks one has to commit to in order to get their product out.

Apple are offering virtual space and advertising space on a shop floor, handling the transactions for you and 30% is too much to ask?

Yep, right on friend. The whole software industry has been well adjusted to selling software using a central store and paying 30% of each sale to the store. 30% per sale are the costs of administration and billing. Rrriggght.

Sorry but that does not make sense. If it was a _fixed_ one time cost it would have been within reason. 30% PER SALE just is not workable.

 

[Moonlight]

I am questioning "why do I have to pay $99" if I am a free software developer - one time or hundred. What value add does this give me when they any way will gulp 30% from the sales.

If your neighborhood store required you to pay $99 to enter the shop and then again pay 30% on top of the regular price of whatever you buy - would you go to that store without questioning why?

I dont have to pay $99 to enter the store, I would have to pay $99 to sell something at that store and give the store 30%. VERY different. Even B&M stores do that sometimes with independent distributors... this is how life works.

 

[csimmons]

Pay attention: Symbian OS.

How can anyone who has used a Symbian based phone (I've had 6 of them in my lifetime so far) say with a straight face that they think that it's somehow better than what Apple demonstrated today?

Just say no to drugs.

 

[Much Ado]

Apple just obliterated the competition, and that's without even mentioning the $100M fund for iPhone devs on top of that as well.

 

[ryanwarsaw]

Right, well that's kind of what I meant. I personally can easily afford the $99, but I know some people who might want to write some great apps could have a problem with it and that's too bad.

Give that $99 to somebody if you know anybody that can write good apps. It doesn't have to be too bad.

 

[Darkroom]

ghetto

 

[Spades]

you manually typed in the quote and attributed it to me because i never wrote it. for one, i almost never capitalize, so . . . busted. two, please just link my quote and i'll apologize . . . oh wait, i never wrote that so i won't have to.

Yep yep. I corrected the original post and apologized in my doubly mistaken reply. Sorry about that.

 

[Moonlight]

ghetto

Hahahahaha

 

[moonzilla]

couple of questions:

will there be an approval process when an app is submitted to the iTunes App Store? What i mean is, will Apple review products, and if so, do we have any idea how long it will take a product to go from submitted to for-sale?

secondly, will the sdk enable mms, video recording, or stereo bluetooth? i doubt we'll be able to update our bluetooth profiles, right?

 

[DrummerB]

I am currently downloading the SDK. It's HUGE (2.1 GB).

Is anybody else currently downloading or am I the only one?

250 KB/s ETA 4 pm CST.

How can you be downloading the SDK while the websites are still down?

 

[Small White Car]

And Touch owners are getting screwed again since they will have to pay for the update!

That sucks.

iPhone owners pay every single month. (Some of their phone bill goes right to Apple.)

So iPhone users pay Apple EVERY month. iPod Touch users pay every couple of months.

So you pay less and STILL you complain...

 

[Digital Skunk]

Not sure Symbian is used by RIM. I thought it was a proprietary OS?

I always thought Symbian was made by RIM. I could be wrong though.... Every other phone uses WM and then there is the way behind the times Palm OS only found on various flavors of the Treo.

 

[Jocko]

No, it should have had it from day ONE. Obviously, they realized that they made a mistake. That's what I meant.

I don't understand what you are implying here. Apple had a bunch of spare resources but decided to just go party instead of implementing things that otherwise could have been implemented within the given timeframe? I personally prefer having had my iPhone since last June instead of having to wait 4 more months for your day ONE iPhone to ship for the first time.

This seems like kind of a rush job by Apple. The future sounds great, but the present seems sloppy. They announced an SDK in October and it seems like they didn't focus on it til mid February. They should have had the SDK seeded to multiple developers already and they should have publicly released an app or two today. The future is promising, but the present is a letdown. Looks like it's time to jailbreak.

You guys obviously have absolutely not concept of product engineering. Seems like they didn't focus on it until mid-feb? What does that even mean? You look at that presentation and see 3 weeks of work? Preparing a programming API and IDE for public consumption for the very first time is an enormous undertaking. I'm amazed its as far as it is right now. And at the same time they've managed to get these many enterprise features into beta and who knows what else in the 2.0 release. Good developers are hard to find and even when you do it takes time to bring them up to speed. Apple has done an incredible job of ramping up and addressing all of these requests for iPhone features.