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Apple Releases iPhone SDK, Demos Spore, Instant Messaging

gloss said:
I speak mostly in terms of power and usability, on which grounds no other phone approaches the iPhone. None are as flexible or responsive, and none have as powerful of an architecture underlying the OS. I see this as being the big difference in the platforms. The iPhone, once the SDK releases, will genuinely be a UMPC platform.

Apple got the right idea. Rather than trying to sell people a palmtop computer, they sold them a phone, and tossed the computer in there afterward.
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First I want to thank you for not coming off the wrong way, as I was fearing when I started to post. Seriously... thanks.

I agree with you on that. The iPhone's UI and speed are somewhat unmatched. There are only a few phones that come close and they really aren't as innovative, they are close, but just not it. Even the HTC Touch (which I love, and came out 2 months before the iPhone) is just a sweet touch interface overtop of Windows Mobile.

These phones offer that one thing that the iPhone doesn't have.... basically any of the missing features that the iPhone didn't have, and the ability to run on other networks. For most the iPhone suffices, but if you need those other features, the iPhone is all but a wishful device.

I want to be able to sync my playlists and have iCal and software integration etc, etc, but I also want the things that should have come with the iPhone.... mobile productivity, and 3rd party software. Hopefully our answers will come in June, but the sad part FOR ME and possible some others, is that the SDK may not be the answer to ALL of the things we need in our iPhones.

I do hope that Apple finds a way to get around AT&T's greediness with the phone as well. Let AT&T have the iPhone for another 2 or 3 years as planned, but give the rest of the cellular world (which still isn't feeling the punch from the iPhone... they are doing quite well and still moving forward) an iPhone Pro or iPhone Nano.
 
Great, But Will There Be Cut and Paste?

Happy for the news, and yes, really nice device. But, Cut and Paste would VERY helpful as people have been saying for months. Any idea if 2.0 will include this feature?
 
parapup said:
... by these crappy bits -

a) Developer needs to pay $99 per Application to Apple to get it on the Apple store - WTF? If I am a free software developer why do I pay Apple to distribute my apps - Thanks, but no thanks, I can and will do it myself.
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Ummm...it is a ONE time charge of $99...not per app... to quote steve "calm down" :)
 
Spades said:
1.1.3 was not a major software update.
The app store is not a major software update.



There's free apps and pay apps. If I want a pay app, I first have to actually buy access to the store? That's a silly idea.
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ok, 1) you are intentionally misrepresenting what i said. for anyone who cares, notice that Spades here made up his own quote of mine since you can't click the blue ">" to go back to my original message when he quoted me as saying "Quote:
Originally Posted by happydude
Are you purposefully being ignorant to make a point, or did you miss the part where Steve Jobs said that developers could release free applications (free for the developer, free for the customer)?"

2) plenty of people are refuting what you are saying. common, just give up.

3) i'm reporting you for negligent behavior for purposely misquoting me.
 
BongoBanger said:
Pay attention: Symbian OS.
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Please educate me, as I don't own a blackberry, treo or moto Q, which are the ones I mentioned. Which of those use the Symbian OS? Regardless, my point is that nothing I've seen comes close to being in the same ballpark as the iPhone, so far as user experience is concerned.
 
Spades said:
I expect it for a few reasons:

The precedent in the software industry is that you don't charge for minor updates. They want to charge for Mail, Notes, etc., fine. But the charge for lyrics and webclips was ridiculous. They can try to change the precedent, but I'm not going to buy into it.

The app store by itself doesn't do anything for me. They want to charge me money so I can spend more money? Ha.
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Think different.
 
jhande said:
True, as far as it goes, but remember all the 'platform' and 'Safari tablet' comments floating around the past week? It's making an awful lot of good sense to me..... and it ought to scare the bejeesus out of not just the phone manufacturers, but just about anyone else as well.
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Agreed, and I am hoping that Apple uses this to break free from AT&T and the other restrictions they may have put on the iPhone. Other mobile devices made by Apple could find their way onto the shelves of other carriers and even across the pond as a fully unlocked device.

jmorrison0722 said:
Please educate me, as I don't own a blackberry, treo or moto Q, which are the ones I mentioned. Which of those use the Symbian OS? Regardless, my point is that nothing I've seen comes close to being in the same ballpark as the iPhone, so far as user experience is concerned.
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Symbian us on the Blackberries. They actually do a much better job than the iPhone can in the power user/enterprise user section of the phone industry. Apple doesn't even have an iWork Mobile app to put on the iPhone, and they could have made that themselves.

Granted, the UI on the iPhone is wicked sweet, the features and functionality is lacking. So far the main benefit for anyone wanting to go from the other smart phones to an iPhone is the full fledged browser, but even that can be a let down if you are used to EVDO, and the soon to be WiMax.
 
BongoBanger said:
Possibly because you can already build and install your own apps on Symbian OS phones and have been able to for years? Don't get me wrong - this is hot stuff but there are some pretty heavy competitors out there.
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So? You could browse the Web on a Symbian or WM phone before the iPhone, too. That doesn't mean you could do it well, easy, or that the experience would be enjoyable.

Besides, the majority of Symbian apps SUCK, so your point is moot.
 
roland.g said:
Too many whiners. OMG. Can you believe that. This is a huge release. They have done it right. And to get all the apps, devs, store and everything in place along with whatever else the 2.0 update is bringing is a lot. But no as usual Apple announces something, and something that they are making a huge investment in and committment to just to get to end users, and everyone complains that it isn't here already. This is what is wrong with the give it to me now already and I want it for free generation that doesn't know anything and is running this country into the ground. Sorry but deal. Little brats.
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Yes. Anyone that thinks June is too long to wait should probably self-induce a three-month long coma. That way, you wake up and the update is here as if by magic. And the rest of us get the added benefit of three months of peace and quiet. In fact, you better make it four to be on the safe side.

:)
 
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2008/03/06iphone.html said:
Third party iPhone and iPod touch applications must be approved by Apple and will be available exclusively through the App Store.
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there you go all the possible SIM unlocks... :(
 
shawnce said:
You don't need to pay $99 to get the SDK. You pay $99 to get a digital certificate generated and related services so you can publish your applications to iPhone users.
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Do you need to pay $99 for every application you want to publish or just once to become a "publisher"? Or perhaps once a year like for XNA?
 
ltldrummerboy said:
It looks as if there won't be an end to charges for the iPod Touch.
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you and Spades can go cry in a corner together. ipod touch people's aren't charged the $20/mo iphone people's are. steve explained it, this has been covered SOOOOOOO many times. check your whining at the door, put on some big boy or big girl pants, and sit down at the forum like an adult with thought out, reasoned comments.
 
csimmons said:
So? You could browse the Web on a Symbian or WM phone before the iPhone, too. That doesn't mean you could do it well, easy, or that the experience would be enjoyable.
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Yeah and this has what to do with the SDK?

Besides, the majority of Symbian apps SUCK, so your point is moot.
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LOL they suxkzorz!!! Great argument, champ. I'll think you'll find you're wrong for two reasons:

1) There are a lot of really, really good S60 apps.
2) They actually exist.

Toodles!
 
ltldrummerboy said:
It looks as if there won't be an end to charges for the iPod Touch.
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Why is that a problem ? Do you complain when they charge $129 for leopard ? Maybe you do...

Remember iPhone users pay a monthly fee and part of that goes to apple to fund our software...Touch users pay nothing but the purchase price.
 
parapup said:
... by these crappy bits -

a) Developer needs to pay $99 per Application to Apple to get it on the Apple store - WTF? If I am a free software developer why do I pay Apple to distribute my apps - Thanks, but no thanks, I can and will do it myself.

b) Apple takes 30% of the Application sales revenue and ostensibly calls it "for store upkeep" - wow, so if my App is worth 100$ and it sells 100 copies a day Apple will take out 3000$ per day to keep their store up and running. For what? Can't be bandwidth, can't be any other per download costs. So this just stinks of greed on Apple's part.

c) Even after paying Apple tax I have to put my App on iTunes store - no other choices. So this forces the Developers to use Macs to develop, and forces both Developer and User to use iTunes to distribute/consume.

So Apple is sucking the bucks from whatever they can without giving single sensible reason as to why and denying choices to the users and developers.

It just stinks of greed - nothing else can explain this seemingly cleverly designed "SDK business". Sorry Apple - you are no longer the company you were - Microsoft suddenly sounds lot better - they at least have good business sense of what will work and what will not.
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Develop for someone else then, nobody is forcing you to download the use the SDK for the iPhone. Go about it yourself, what with your own billing system to take care of and all the other admin like tasks one has to commit to in order to get their product out.

Apple are offering virtual space and advertising space on a shop floor, handling the transactions for you and 30% is too much to ask?
 
$99 a small investment

HiRez said:
Right, well that's kind of what I meant. I personally can easily afford the $99, but I know some people who might want to write some great apps could have a problem with it and that's too bad.
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If they write great apps, they call sell them on the App Store and make lots of $$$.
 
Moonlight said:
Ummm...it is a ONE time charge of $99...not per app... to quote steve "calm down" :)
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I am questioning "why do I have to pay $99" if I am a free software developer - one time or hundred. What value add does this give me when they any way will gulp 30% from the sales.

If your neighborhood store required you to pay $99 to enter the shop and then again pay 30% on top of the regular price of whatever you buy - would you go to that store without questioning why?
 
Goodness me there are a lot of impatient people here today.

Why anyone would be expecting applications to be available on the day a beta version of the tools required to create those applications is released to developers is beyond me!
 
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