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Apple Releases iPhone SDK, Demos Spore, Instant Messaging

Digital Skunk said:
I always thought Symbian was made by RIM. I could be wrong though.... Every other phone uses WM and then there is the way behind the times Palm OS only found on various flavors of the Treo.
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Just to clarify [from wikipedia]:
"Symbian OS is a proprietary operating system, designed for mobile devices, with associated libraries, user interface frameworks and reference implementations of common tools, produced by Symbian Ltd. It is a descendant of Psion's EPOC and runs exclusively on ARM processors.
Symbian is currently owned by Nokia (47.9%), Ericsson (15.6%), Sony Ericsson (13.1%), Panasonic (10.5%), Siemens AG (8.4%) and Samsung (4.5%). Although BenQ acquired the mobile phone subsidiary of Siemens AG, the Siemens AG stake in Symbian did not pass to BenQ."
 
parapup said:
So you are saying it's OK for Apple to do 30% because someone else does 50%? Isn't selling handheld software Handango's sole business. Is it not a fact that they do not earn profit from each handheld sold, from each carrier contract signed? If you look at the full picture - Apple ought to do it for far more reasonable price on the grounds that it's not their core business, it complements their core business of selling more iPhones and Contracts.

Also companies like Shape Services do sell their own apps - tell me what costs would be for selling my apps on my own - bandwidth is cheap, web shop software is already a done thing and can be done for cheap if not, advertising is required any way if you sell via iTunes or via own shop, administration costs are common - Apple is not going to do my accounting and taxes for example. What else?
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I would think with Handango you would reach maybe a tenth (I'm being generous) of the audience as you will with Apple, so I'm thinking 30% vs 50% is a bargain. Now, the fact that it's your only viable option sux.
 
HiRez said:
Oh man I posted too soon, you have to pay $99 to get the SDK???? WTF? Argh! NOT cool, Apple. Devs who are developing free apps, at least, should not have to pay. :mad::
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It's funny but I believe in the "you get what you pay for" axiom so the free **** sucks anyway... I'm sure there will be torrents out there for all you broke dicks!
All SDK's cost $$!:apple:
By the way... this is going to be a Mac in your pocket which is the **** for me! Can't wait for the new iPhone with a bigger screen!
 
What an incredible day.....

The SDK Roadmap event was awesome. The iPhone is a fantastic product and great(er) things are just around the corner. The demo's only hit the tip of the iceberg and I can't wait to see what developers come up with.

Those of you who thought iTunes would be flooded with new apps. today; I don't really know what to say.

Props. to Apple and the iPhone/Touch team!
 
Phil A. said:
A few years ago, Fry's stocked some of our software: We had to pay an up front cost for the floor space and our margin ended up about 20%. Yep, if something sold for $50, we made $10. That's the reality of being a small software developer trying to get a foothold into the retail chain. For apple to only take 30% plus $99 per year is an absolutely amazing deal to me - that's all profit too so no distribution costs, no hosting costs, no credit card charges, no admin charges. Fantastic!
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Nicely put, I think.
 
Moonlight said:
Think about the start up costs to create a application distribution store for the iPhone. Then think about the upkeep costs of the hardware, bandwidth, software, IT employees... Think that costs less than $99 ? Think that costs less than $99,999? Probably not... They need to recoup those costs, they are not here for the sole purpose of users having fun and developers making money. They are a for profit company that is publicly traded, they have a commitment to their shareholders to make money. They fact that they are doing it in a way to just cover their costs and will distribute your free apps for nothing more than $99 is AMAZING. Ask any small software development company. Do I know what I am talking about ???? Not sure, do I ? Anyone ?
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You forget about the 30% per sale variable cost. You forget that selling other people's apps is not Apple's core business and they are doing it for one sole reason - to sell the iPhone. You forget that selling apps for the iPhones gets Apple more sales of potentially Macs and iPhones, iPhone contracts with AT&T etc.

So my argument is that for some one in Apple's position they should be doing it at a much more reasonable cost.
 
As a developer - this is great news! Can't wait to get my mits on the SDK. The terms seem very reasonable to me.

My only reservation is the amount of control Apple has over 3rd party applications. Regardless of anything they might say publicly, I don't trust Apple to not veto with any 3rd party application that might compete with a current or future Apple product. It wouldn't be the first time Apple stomped all over a small independent developer.
 
How much does Visual Studios cost? How about Flex Builder? I am sure other are charging as well.

Apple is charging on the back side, instead of the front. I would be happy to pay 30% for apple to host, and market my application. It just means my $5 app becomes €5. ;)

P6
 
Digital Skunk said:
Apple doesn't even have an iWork Mobile app to put on the iPhone, and they could have made that themselves.
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I have a symbian device with the office mobile suite. Know how many times I edited a word or excel sheet in my mobile phone? 0 times over 2 years. Im pretty sure that there is people out there that do but that is not a priority and definitely not a critical feature. I like my phone to be able to do work e-mail view **** docs and sread sheets and give me the ability to stay connected while im on the road or until i can get to a hotel/home and actually do word processing work.
 
I hope apple fails as a company I really do, they cannot for the life of them comply with a SELF imposed deadline, my advice to apple is if you can't do something please do not promise it. I own an iPhone and a macbook, first there was the delay of leopard now this. I will never buy another apple product I have discovered the joys of Linux which in my opinion is a better OS, but lets not get into that, finishing my thought my next laptop will most likely be a dell and my phone from openmoko.
 
pmarcovi said:
They think we are idiots. If it worked one, they do it again. They are back with the accounting charge crap for the iPod touch owners :mad: ...
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It's the law. Jobs said today they don't make any profit off the fee.

Write your elected official if you don't like it. It's another example of government trying to do one thing--crack down on deceptive bookkeeping--and causing a totally different problem.

A little education will make you feel a whole lot better on the issue.
 
Do we know if you are going to be able to use external keyboards? That is the main thing that will keep me from jumping in.

P6
 
skinnylegs said:
.....because like Windows users, you're not *really* members of the club; only pseudo-members.
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AKA - Red headed step children.

No, in all seriousness...how long should Apple have to continue giving you new stuff after a purchase? It's more understandable, but not expected, with the iPhone since iPhone users continue making payments month after month.
 
As much as I hate getting charged, my thing is if we arent getting charged monthly like iPhone users, then I dont see the reason to complain.

Dont bite the hand that feeds you.
 
parapup said:
You forget about the 30% per sale variable cost. You forget that selling other people's apps is not Apple's core business and they are doing it for one sole reason - to sell the iPhone. You forget that selling apps for the iPhones gets Apple more sales of potentially Macs and iPhones, iPhone contracts with AT&T etc.

So my argument is that for some one in Apple's position they should be doing it at a much more reasonable cost.
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I didn't forget any of that... and that is why I said "they are doing it in a way to just cover their costs and will distribute your free apps for nothing more than $99"

So you want them to LOSE money(and cut into the iphone profit) to sell your app ? Well, I can't argue with that logic at all... I didn't realize you were that important.
 
jmorrison0722 said:
AKA - Red headed step children.

No, in all seriousness...how long should Apple have to continue giving you new stuff after a purchase? It's more understandable, but not expected, with the iPhone since iPhone users continue making payments month after month.
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Yes, you pay that to AT&T for your phone service. It's got nothing to do with the apps.
 
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