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No, on my Mac (not iOS device). When I click the link in this thread I get iOS App Store on the Mac, when I copy the link to notes (to easily find), and post into Safari I just get iTunes preview.
I don't know anything about how Notes handle web links - but the link is working directly in Safari.

Have you checked that the link is still the same after you copied it into Notes ??
 
That just proves their malicious intent towards the user here as well as demonstrates their increasing hostile aggression towards a private user's computing environment.

I noticed somewhat recently that system updates on the iPad no long have a "No" option but "Install now" or "Remind me Later". It automatically downloads massive updates without asking even though I have told it not to and after I delete the installers it just downloads it again. There is no way to stop this. Wasn't Microsoft sued for this kind of behavior sometime back? Or maybe I have just remembering people wanting to sue Microsoft over this sort of behavior. In any case here we are being bullied and having our digital lives damaged, interfered with, molested, with little recourse but trying to use backups and ripping the networking cable out of the wall.
And now there's not even going to be any jailbreak. I did some digging yesterday and saw there hasn't been any for the last two versions - this thing is likely dead. Not to mention the problems that one might experience from it.

My advice is to never update iOS without in-depth review from users (never trust reviewers), and of course never update ALL YOUR APPs and software without weighing pros and cons. Don't commit the mistake of pressing UPDATE without seeing what's behind of that new version.

And don't ever forget most developers (and Apple) only care about exploiting everyone, so it's possible they will install something in the last version that removes a feature and forces you to pay for it again.

I'll continue using iTunes 12.6 until it stops working (and downloading the .IPAs of every app until that isn't possible), and of course now I won't buy anything from the Apple-Store and certainly no new device from Apple. The right to backup your stuff for private use should be regarded as sacred, it's not illegal despite what the corrupt system says, and when a company only works to restrict the freedom of its users then it's time to say goodbye.

As much as I think Apple creates good stuff I always felt the restrictions imposed by them were too limiting and you are 100% right when saying a mass lawsuit is what they deserve. Like I said: planned obsolescence will not be restricted to the number of cycles your battery can have until it needs to be replaced.

Tomorrow Apple is going to force us to update iOS regardless of our wishes and this will accelerate the need to replace the NEW DEVICES SOLD NOW, even if they are running smoothly Apple will set a time period in which iOS can be used.

In other words, a device like the iPAD Pro 10.5 can be used for the next 5-6 years, after that, "buy another one we are selling 5-6 years from now or throw yours in the garbage".

Do you really think this is inconceivable?

What they did with iTunes is a scandal and no one seems to notice or care enough besides people like you and me.
 
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Works exactly as well as iTunes did, but actually quicker to apply (if this is the only change you're making).

I am playing with Configurator 2 but am unable to find the app screen layout. Where should I look for the screen layout to move things around?

I have been able to add the iOS devices and update the apps.
 
... and of course now I won't buy anything from the Apple-Store and certainly no new device from Apple. The right to backup your stuff for private use should be regarded as sacred, it's not illegal despite what the corrupt system says, and when a company only works to restrict the freedom of its users then it's time to say goodbye.

As much as I think Apple creates good stuff I always felt the restrictions imposed by them were too limiting and you are 100% right when saying a mass lawsuit is what they deserve. Like I said: planned obsolescence will not be restricted to the number of cycles your battery can have until it needs to be replaced.

Tomorrow Apple is going to force us to update iOS regardless of our wishes and this will accelerate the need to replace the NEW DEVICES SOLD NOW, even if they are running smoothly Apple will set a time period in which iOS can be used.

In other words, a device like the iPAD Pro 10.5 can be used for the next 5-6 years, after that, "buy another one we are selling 5-6 years from now or throw yours in the garbage".

Do you really think this is inconceivable?

What they did with iTunes is a scandal and no one seems to notice or care enough besides people like you and me.[/QUOTE]
 
"Cellular Data downloads are limited to a file size of 100 MB or smaller." - https://support.apple.com/en-vn/HT202180

as others have said, why not just update the apps over wifi? tbh it sounds like you're trying to find any justification you can to abandon smartphones and go back to a simpler time. all power to you, you should, if that's what you want.

Why would I want to abandon smartphones. I want Apple to abandon a stupid decision to excise manual sync from iTunes without making it available as a standalone manager app for everyone who wants to use it. This is what comes from Apple's execs and devs living in a state of the art bubble in a wired-to-gills neighborhood which does not reflect the state of telecom options for at least 20% of the country.

Having the ability to run a smartphone off WiFi does not improve the download speed. Driving someplace to get a cell signal (even via 3G, and even that sometimes is actually faster than my DSL in action, forget the ISP's rated speed) seems like a highly impractical drag here at least in winter. There's a place about five miles up on a mountain I can get reliable 3G except in midsummer, but the grade is one I avoid from December through March. Anyway all it is is a little triangle where three back roads sort of meet; there's even sometimes a line to snake in there and pick up mail. I can imagine the thrill of the good ol' boys in pickups waiting for me to dl 5 GB of app updates when all they want is to pay their bills online and be on their way. Maybe if I join a militia they'll cut me the slack...

What I want is not to have to do redundant updates over slow DSL onto multiple iOS devices. I will end up skipping them, certainly... and then if I need one of them on the road the choice is turn on cellular and do them the expensive way, and worse, have to bother making a hotspot off the phone to update either of the iPads since they are WiFi only.

With iTunes 12.6 and its predecessors, I can launch iTunes once every couple days specifically to let the apps updates run, with the machine plugged in and set not to sleep. Then I can just sync all my iOS devices later locally. That's what I liked, it wasn't broken and Apple's iTunes 12.7 has broken it.
 
... and of course now I won't buy anything from the Apple-Store and certainly no new device from Apple. The right to backup your stuff for private use should be regarded as sacred, it's not illegal despite what the corrupt system says, and when a company only works to restrict the freedom of its users then it's time to say goodbye.

As much as I think Apple creates good stuff I always felt the restrictions imposed by them were too limiting and you are 100% right when saying a mass lawsuit is what they deserve. Like I said: planned obsolescence will not be restricted to the number of cycles your battery can have until it needs to be replaced.

Tomorrow Apple is going to force us to update iOS regardless of our wishes and this will accelerate the need to replace the NEW DEVICES SOLD NOW, even if they are running smoothly Apple will set a time period in which iOS can be used.

In other words, a device like the iPAD Pro 10.5 can be used for the next 5-6 years, after that, "buy another one we are selling 5-6 years from now or throw yours in the garbage".

Do you really think this is inconceivable?

What they did with iTunes is a scandal and no one seems to notice or care enough besides people like you and me.
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- re above - funny thing about all the people saying last Apple product I buy is I feel the same but I'm not even really overly angry anymore - just resigned to that fact - ya a lot of people complain about windows 10 etc but if I'm going to be abused by digital powers that be I might as well do it for 1/3 the cost - apparently Apple doesn't care if you're like me and mine you have at least 3 devices, phone, tablet, computer each so for my family thats 12 devices - ah well at least I'll fit in with most of my colleagues - Samsung looks like they make some nice phones
 
I am playing with Configurator 2 but am unable to find the app screen layout. Where should I look for the screen layout to move things around?

I have been able to add the iOS devices and update the apps.

right click, manage -> home screen layout (or similar wording)
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Why would I want to abandon smartphones.

I dunno, it's almost like I was responding to you saying words like...

I can live without all my third-party apps and without a smartphone when push comes to shove. Laptops don't weigh much any more and I can get used to using a dumb phone to make and receive phone calls

With iTunes 12.6 and its predecessors, I can launch iTunes once every couple days specifically to let the apps updates run, with the machine plugged in and set not to sleep. Then I can just sync all my iOS devices later locally. That's what I liked, it wasn't broken and Apple's iTunes 12.7 has broken it.

or, you could just turn on automatic updates, leave your devices plugged in overnight, and let iOS do its thing downloading the updates themselves over wifi. you don't need to launch iTunes *ever* then.
 
They say you can still drag them from the Finder window onto the iPhone/iPad showing in your iTunes window and install them, but you can't update them or download new ones in iTunes anymore. To do that they say you can still use the free "Configurator 2" app on Mac to download new versions via Mac, and install onto the iPhone/iPad via USB.

Thanks for the info, could you send any link where Apple mentions, it would be quite helpful.
 

- re above - funny thing about all the people saying last Apple product I buy is I feel the same but I'm not even really overly angry anymore - just resigned to that fact - ya a lot of people complain about windows 10 etc but if I'm going to be abused by digital powers that be I might as well do it for 1/3 the cost - apparently Apple doesn't care if you're like me and mine you have at least 3 devices, phone, tablet, computer each so for my family thats 12 devices - ah well at least I'll fit in with most of my colleagues - Samsung looks like they make some nice phones[/QUOTE]

I have a 6s plus and the wife has a 7 edge. I had a motorola x pure and this 6s plus at the same time until I gave the pure to the daughter but I liked it. I like motorola better than samsung. Probably at some point I will have amoto as my next phone. I have a mac, ipad and atv but have an hp envy coming to replace my 2012 mac.
 
A lot of pages here. Can someone please answer the following questions?

Am I no longer able to back up my iOS device to my Mac with iTunes 12.7? If not, is it now iCloud only?
Will I no longer be able to manage my audio books with iTunes 12.7?
 
How do you go about installing a ring tone that you have made on your Mac now?
I've used a (paid for) ringtone maker app from the App Store for years, The only ringtones I use are ones I made from favorite songs, other than a generic Apple tone I use for unknown, spam and spoof calls. Can't stand Apple's tones. I'll wait to upgrade once I find out if the App Store still has these apps. (If/when I get my 8 Plus, I won't have a choice, of course...)
 
~snip~ or, you could just turn on automatic updates, leave your devices plugged in overnight, and let iOS do its thing downloading the updates themselves over wifi. you don't need to launch iTunes *ever* then.

Yeah I could do that but I never will. First I read about updates and how they worked out, and then I apply them if they suit a particular piece of iOS-related hardware and the particular iOS. Shall I update a favorite utility app first and then find out it doesn't run on 10.3.3? Hell no. I've already made a list of stuff that won't run on iOS 11 unless devs modify them, so I can keep track of them and find out which ones I have to leave on some device I leave set at 10.3.3 -- or that's what I thought I'd be able to do until iTunes 12.7 and its behind-scene machinations turned up.

I love arranging the iOS device screens via iTunes app sync. It's so much easier than messing with them on the device. And why the heck should I devour bandwidth even over WiFi at home downloading an app multiple times for no other reason than that Apple won't stick an app manager app on my desktop to replace functionality it ripped out of iTunes.

And speaking of the iOS: Why should I give up, say, Pocket Frogs, or How to Cook Everything Vegetarian if the developers don't modify them for iOS 11? Why should I not be able to keep running 10.3.3 on an ipod touch or old phone used as a WiFi device and just keep the last maintained version of those apps? If apple coders are smart enough (and they are) to write code that can know I'm running an old app on an old iOS, then it's smart enough to throw a switch and prevent me from logging into the net when that iOS is no longer supported. Then the choice is mine. Isolate that setup and keep that app and that iOS on that device as a closed system, or ditch the thing and move on.

There was a time -- still is a time in some cases- when you could run a closed system at a certain OS level, apps and peripherals and it all works fine, "forever". That's the case with say my old Ti Powerbook and some MIDI equipment even now. When the motherboard finally goes, I'll probably say ok and give the setup to a geek down the road to part it all out and make a few bucks. In the meantime it's fun to use now and then.

But in more modern setups Apple makes you check into the ecosystem at the most annoying times, to prove it's really you playing your rented movie or to see if your Apple Music sub is still current and so lets you play downloaded Apple Music, etc. OK I realize the choice is mine. I don't have to rent movies there, I can use Prime or Netflix. And I don't have to use Apple Music. I have Prime Music, which (heh, they say) keeps getting more music on board). There's Spotify, Pandora, etc etc.

Over time all the ecosystem requirements are starting to feel more than a little like a faucet dripping in the kitchen that you know you could fix by replacing the damn thing if replacing just a washer doesn't cut it.

It makes me want to go back to just popping CDs into a laptop with an optical drive on board... which is why this post is coming to this thread from a refurb mid-2012 that still has such a critter. And of course then it occurs to me that I don't need a $1500 machine to play movies and music on, nor to browse the news, nor...

For want of a nail a horseshoe was lost,
for want of a horseshoe a horse went lame,
for want of a horse a rider never got through,
for want of a rider a message never arrived,
for want of a message an army was never sent,
for want of an army a battle was lost,
for want of a battle a war was lost,
for want of a war a kingdom fell,


and all for want of a desktop app to replace some lost iTunes functionality.
 
A lot of pages here. Can someone please answer the following questions?

Am I no longer able to back up my iOS device to my Mac with iTunes 12.7? If not, is it now iCloud only?
Will I no longer be able to manage my audio books with iTunes 12.7?

No! I'm sure glad I read this forum before I down loaded 12.7
 
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No! I'm sure glad I read this forum before I down loaded 12.7

OK, so I guess I will be able to drag the audiobook files to my iPhone?

Another question:
If I sync my iPhone for the first time using 12.7, do I lose all my installed apps on my iPhone which will then need to be re-downloaded?
 
And why the heck should I devour bandwidth even over WiFi at home downloading an app multiple times for no other reason than that Apple won't stick an app manager app on my desktop to replace functionality it ripped out of iTunes.

When it comes to updates, this point is actually wrong, by the way. iOS uses delta updates... a dev updates one line of code in a 1GB app and the update actually only comes to a few MB. iTunes does not, so it will download the entire thing again. And then, there is the point of app thinning - the actual .ipa in itunes might be 1.5GB or 2GB.

Blindly sticking your fingers in your ears and praising the past, will only make you ignorant to technological advances that could help you.
 
When it comes to updates, this point is actually wrong, by the way. iOS uses delta updates... a dev updates one line of code in a 1GB app and the update actually only comes to a few MB. iTunes does not, so it will download the entire thing again. And then, there is the point of app thinning - the actual .ipa in itunes might be 1.5GB or 2GB.

Blindly sticking your fingers in your ears and praising the past, will only make you ignorant to technological advances that could help you.

Don't make me out to be a luddite. I am not that. I am pissed off that Apple does this without considering the impact on its customers with less than stellar download speeds even on WiFi. Or in the case of cell users operating at the far end of multiple (and in total, vast) ranges of the USA where the carriers like to call their service "spotty".
 
OK, so I guess I will be able to drag the audiobook files to my iPhone?

Another question:
If I sync my iPhone for the first time using 12.7, do I lose all my installed apps on my iPhone which will then need to be re-downloaded?

I synced my iPhone 7 running iOS 10.3.3 to the new iTunes and didn't loose a thing . HTH
 
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Blindly sticking your fingers in your ears and praising the past, will only make you ignorant to technological advances that could help you.

The poster is saying s/he has a system that works with limited bandwidth. Were you aware that some people have really slow internet because of where they live? I guess you weren't.

But yeah, by all means, keep telling people in a condescending tone that every technological advance is great and they should just get with the program.
 
When it comes to updates, this point is actually wrong, by the way. iOS uses delta updates... a dev updates one line of code in a 1GB app and the update actually only comes to a few MB. iTunes does not, so it will download the entire thing again. And then, there is the point of app thinning - the actual .ipa in itunes might be 1.5GB or 2GB.

Blindly sticking your fingers in your ears and praising the past, will only make you ignorant to technological advances that could help you.
 
No! I'm sure glad I read this forum before I down loaded 12.7

What does this mean? What happens to non-Apple audiobooks currently in one's library?

I have a few interviews and speeches saved as audiobooks right now. What happens to those if I update to iTunes 12.7?

Thanks.
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Or perhaps it was an oversight and will be removed in a subsequent update. It is more reasonable to respond to what Apple actually stated than to assume something because someone spotted something.

Perhaps, but it seems like it's easy to test. This thread is full of people with iTunes 12.7 installed. No one has backed up their iOS device to iTunes by cable and then checked the apps folder to see if anything had changed?
 
What does this mean? What happens to non-Apple audiobooks currently in one's library?

I have a few interviews and speeches saved as audiobooks right now. What happens to those if I update to iTunes 12.7?

Thanks.
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Perhaps, but it seems like it's easy to test. This thread is full of people with iTunes 12.7 installed. No one has backed up their iOS device to iTunes by cable and then checked the apps folder to see if anything had changed?
How is testing it going to demonstrate whether or not Apple will remove it in an subsequent update? :confused: It will only show that it works now (in contradiction to what Apple has indicated)
 
What does this mean? What happens to non-Apple audiobooks currently in one's library?

I have a few interviews and speeches saved as audiobooks right now. What happens to those if I update to iTunes 12.7?

I have not installed 12.7 yet, but my guess from many of the comments here is nothing will happen to your non-apple AB's, or apps, or tone's. They will be left in their respective folders in iTunes. Before upgrading, I plan on backing up my iTunes folders so I know I have a good copy of all my Apps, Tones, and AB's.

I don't use iTunes to manage my apps, but I did use iTunes to manage my AB's and Tones. But as long as I am able to simply drag them to my iPhone in iTunes, all should be well.
 
I have not installed 12.7 yet, but my guess from many of the comments here is nothing will happen to your non-apple AB's, or apps, or tone's. They will be left in their respective folders in iTunes.
None of the media content is touched. I am on 12.7 already.
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