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What an evil company, if it is not in the iTunes store at this moment, pretty simple, you can't use that app anymore even if you have a back up. (I'm talking about brand new iphone or after a clean ios installation scenarios)

I'm gonna lose 3 expensive longman and larousse dictionaries because of this modification.

Update: theres a workaround for this, on the device you go to purchases and there you should be able to install that old app.
 
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You can't move them into Configurator 2. You can install them from the local files if they remain on your mac, though.
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You don't manage education devices from iTunes.

Does Configurator 2 allow you to choose your app layout on the home screen? i.e. which folder on a certain page that each app gets installed into, with a different folder for some apps and another folder for other apps?
 
iOS 11 will probably kill 12.6. Or the next version of MacOS will. Or they both will. Apple may dislike supposed redundancy in iTunes but it surely will do everything that it can to kill 12.6.
i wouldn't be so sure. like i said i used iTunes 10 for over a year after 11 came out and my iPhone worked fine with it even into IOS 7 i believe.
 
Curious how this affects people who still backup their iOS devices and apps to iTunes. I'm actually fine with them removing the ability to store iOS apps on the Mac, I know they were moving away from that. Just wondering what happens when you upgrade, if you've been doing it that way? Does it throw all those out? Are all the local iOS device sync/backup options still there?
Seriously, I liked the option of being able to roll back a bad app update. Is there a way to do that now?
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Feels like there's very little usable information in this thread. Here:

https://lifehacker.com/what-to-do-now-that-you-can-t-sync-ios-apps-using-itune-1809941947
 
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What happens to the already downloaded apps, do they get deleted from the mac or we have to delete them manually? I mean no point keeping them if we cant install from there.
 
It's more complicated than you think. I appreciate the suggestion, and hope you can answer my questions below. Part of this long essay is my effort to problem solve, not make it TL;DR.

PRIVACY:
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Before Family Sharing was available, we had to find a way to make it work. And after sharing came out it was so buggy that we were warned away from using it. We had already set it up the right way - each of the 5 of us (me, my wife, and kids) are all signed into our own private iCloud account for personal data (contacts, calendar, notes, reminders, iMessage, FaceTime etc). We just use a shared ID for the store - my original .mac Apple ID from 2003 before anyone needed an iCloud account.

So we don't share call logs, or get the other's private messages, etc. We use the shared iCloud account only for our iTunes Store and App Store purchases, or home sharing ID for Apple TV and iCloud music sharing and such.

What I don't like is that the kids can access my private PDF files on the iBooks cloud with the shared iTunes account, so I started to save them in adobe acrobat's cloud instead. But this does give us a family calendar and notes we can share, separate from our private ones on our personal Apple ID.

PURCHASES:
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Because we had too many iPhones and iPads for the 10 device limit, my eldest daughter has iTunes on her MacBook logged into the shared account, but her iPhone is logged into the iTunes store with her personal apple ID. She typically would sync everything from Mac to phone via iTunes anyway, and if she needed something desperately while away from the Mac she could buy it on her phone and later sync it back onto her MacBook (where everything is merged and MacBook is authorized for both apple ID).

She turned out to like the idea of buying music and movies that would always be hers if she was to be cut off from the shared iTunes account. She's transfer content to her Mac, and with home sharing we could access it if we had our Macs authorized for her Apple ID too (three of us have done so).

All the kids know that they can do the same thing, having their personal account on their iPhone iTunes Store and the family account on their Mac, and if they want to buy something that I don't want to approve paying for (especially as they get older) then they can buy it on their phone. Then they can transfer those purchases from phone to Mac and merge everything, and sync everything to the phone as they wish. They only have to authorize their Mac for both Apple ID. That was before iTunes 12.7 and no more download apps on the mac - this won't work anymore if they have to re-buy all their apps on their phone with their own ID.

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With family sharing I HAVE TO PAY FOR EVERYTHING, while the way we have it set up now I don't. Before iTunes 12.7 they can buy apps on their mac with my Apple ID and send it to their phone, or buy them on their phone with their Apple ID and transfer it back to iTunes, and sync apps and media back and forth whenever they want.

It looks like I'll have no choice now but to set up "family sharing" with the wife and kids and invite them to join, so that everyone will be able to download Apps on all their devices (5 apple ID x 10 devices each), now that iTunes 12.7 won't let them sync the apps to all their devices (10 device limit with 16 devices).

What I don't like about family sharing:
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(1) "After you set up your family, any time a family member initiates a new purchase it will be billed directly to your account, unless that family member has gift or store credit. First, their store credit will be used to pay the partial or total bill. The remainder will bill to the family organizer's card."

My concern - The way we have it set up, if I pay for it it's mine and if they pay for it on their mobile device it's theirs. But Apple says that won't be the case anymore, unless they're generous enough to buy an Apple gift card and apply the credit to their account. With Millenials these days I doubt this.

(2) "Once paid for, a purchased item is added to the account of the family member who initiated the purchase. In other words, the content belongs to them, much as it would if you were buying them a book or a DVD. If Family Sharing is ever disabled, each member will keep the purchases they initiated, even though they were paid for by the family organizer."

My concern - losing content I paid for. If I am the head of "my family" and they are a member of "my family", can they later set themselves up as the head of "their new family" when they marry, and share with their family member without having to leave "my family"?

Otherwise I'd lose access to all the content they bought with my money and shared with me, once they set up their own "new shared family". I understand that only their purchased content will be available to "their new family", and not mine or "my family" members content. Does this sound like it would work?

(3) What happens if we're already sharing location in "Find my Friends"? I see that they will also now show up in "Find My iPhone" - but can they also accidentally mark my phone as lost and lock me out, or remotely wipe data like we can if an iPhone is lost and we go to iCloud.com to find it?

(4) I want to keep purchasing media and apps with the same Apple ID as before (iTunes music library), while using my second Apple ID for my personal iCloud services (my iPhoto cloud library, contacts, calendars, etc). I don't want to have my purchases spread across both of my Apple IDs.

If I use my oldest Apple ID that I always use for purchases as the parent account, then it's the wrong one for location sharing or find my iPhone, etc. And, I can't share my 2TB iCloud storage because it's on my personal iCloud account, and not the one with all my music and apps.

FIX - I suppose I'd have to put both a of my Apple ID in the family sharing (it does allow for 6 members, and there are 6 Apple IDs between the 5 of us). I'd have to make the iTunes Store Apple ID as the parent, and invite my personal Apple ID to join the family.

Then I'd have to buy a 2TB storage with the parent account and move everything over? But at least we could save from the wife and kids having 50-200GB storage on top of my 2TB of which I'm using 10%. How would this move work if we all have iCloud photo library turned on in our own upgraded personal iCloud accounts?

So I still have the family Sharing Questions from the bottom of my previous post that I'm hoping to get some answers to - this looks like the solution to the 10 device limit when the 5 of us have 16 devices:

(1) If one of my two Apple IDs (the one with all the purchases since 2003) becomes the family organizer, and later my kids get married and have their own kids, can my kids become a family organizer for their own spouse and kids (for content they own with their Apple ID) without leaving my family sharing group?

Basically, I know that their spouse and kids would not be in my family sharing, but can my individual kids stay in my "family" with me as the organizer? If they can't stay in my "family" when they organize their own family sharing under themselves, then I'll lose access to all the shared content that they bought with my money while they were in our family sharing group.

(2) I read that I can choose another Apple ID, other than the one I'm signed into on my device, to invite members to join my family sharing group. This means when I have Apple ID #1 signed into the App and iTunes store and my Apple ID #2 is signed into iCloud, I can still use ID #1 as the organizer, right?

(3) For Shared Storage, does the organizer have to buy the shared storage, or can it be any member of the family sharing? e.g. I have 2TB plan on Apple ID #2 for my personal backups, photos, and data, but there is only 20GB on Apple ID #1 that would become the organizer. None of our devices are using ID #1 for iCloud services, that ID is only used to sign into the App and iTunes Stores on all of our devices.

(4) What happens if we're already sharing our locations in "Find my Friends" and now that's part of Family Sharing, does it not touch the settings?

(5) I see that my family's devices will now show up in "Find My iPhone" - but can they also accidentally mark my phone as lost and lock me out, or remotely wipe data like we can if an iPhone is lost and we go to iCloud.com to find it?
 
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Does Configurator 2 allow you to choose your app layout on the home screen? i.e. which folder on a certain page that each app gets installed into, with a different folder for some apps and another folder for other apps?

It allows app layout config. I haven't tested how it handles folders and extra pages but I'll check when I got home and let you know.
 
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What happens to the already downloaded apps, do they get deleted from the mac or we have to delete them manually? I mean no point keeping them if we cant install from there.

They say you can still drag them from the Finder window onto the iPhone/iPad showing in your iTunes window and install them, but you can't update them or download new ones in iTunes anymore. To do that they say you can still use the free "Configurator 2" app on Mac to download new versions via Mac, and install onto the iPhone/iPad via USB.
 
Does Configurator 2 allow you to choose your app layout on the home screen? i.e. which folder on a certain page that each app gets installed into, with a different folder for some apps and another folder for other apps?

I expect that it does but it is not as visible as it was in Old iTunes. But what Configurator 2 does not have is AppStore. Buying/getting a new app must be done on the mobile device. I have read that it is possible to stop the app from downloading to the device after tapping buy/get. But the AppStore will record it a having been obtained. Thereafter, from understanding, it will be available in Configurator 2. Very convoluted, and very clunky. Old iTunes was much simpler and more elegant.

Remember when Apple disparaged MS-DOS and the earlier versions of Windows for being ugly and clunky? It has now made app management ugly and clunky. New iTunes may be as popular as New Coke and the Edsel were.
 
disclaimer right up front - I'm a tech troglodyte - use my phone mainly as a communication device - also to carry around my music and video - not sharing, streaming or "geniusing" (I'm old - I like what I like) and don't use the "cloud" - got into the iPhone years ago because of the app store - interesting diversions - mainly just for wasting some time but I have some apps that are very important and hold important data - I have unfortunately installed this thing - have tried the drag and drop from finder to my iPhone in iTunes and it works - I haven't used it but will trust people when they are saying configurator will update my apps - my big question is will the ones installed on my iPhone sync to my MacBook - if I drag from finder to phone am I just getting a new install?
 
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In case anyone missed it: THEY FIXED THE MISSING ABILITY TO UNHIDE APP PURCASES

Now under View My Account > Manage Hidden Purchases:

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Looks like they updated it on their end. No iTunes update needed. You may now (mostly) cease panicking.

They already removed the functionality online even if you updated you would not have been able to unhide. I spoke to senior support. They can't believe they did this either. They are talking to developers about putting something in to unhide apps again, but as of now, there is nothing.
Just quoting you to make you aware.
 
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Here is an example of today's updates without the Mac iTunes reality:

Update volume about 5 GB on my iPhone 7Plus. One navigation program with 1.9 GB was successfully downloaded only after the third attempt because updating was interrupted twice just before finishing. That never happened on a Mac. Total download volume about 9GB for one device. Time for updating despite a fast internet connection because of internet overload: over two hours. And that's just for one device. I have to repeat this procedure for four more devices, gives probably 45 GB download volume instead 5GB on a Mac iTunes download and additional 8 hours wasted time instead of some minutes with Mac iTunes.

So I have to minimize my efforts here, reducing my used devices, no more buying and testing of additional apps, …

There is no real substitution for a program on a Mac for downloading iOS apps and updates and organizing the devices.

Too true, and in the data of your post is what's wrong with this whole gig.

My iPhone data plan is minimal because I have never needed more: 4GB with a rollover of max another 4GB from previous month. So 8GB and I'm at the edge of overcharge territory in month 1 on iTunes 12.7, and after that, 4GB since would be no rollover left. How far does 4GB go when Garageband app alone is 1.56GB?

All my data usage for updating iOS devices has always come from my internet service provider, not my cellular carrrier. I don't stream music on cell, or update apps on cell, or download Apple music on cell. I do that on WiFi. I use cellular data once in awhile reading news and mail when I'm traveling. That's it.

I'm not jacking up my mobile data plan just because iTunes no longer handles app distribution. I made that point in my feedback to Apple.

Maybe their developers and execs all have humongous data plans. I had unlmited and could never use it because I live in a dead zone and finally figured forget it, gimme the minimum. Now comes Apple with oh btw you might need a bigger data plan after all... ?! No thanks.

I can live without all my third-party apps and without a smartphone when push comes to shove. Laptops don't weigh much any more and I can get used to using a dumb phone to make and receive phone calls.
 
Too true, and in the data of your post is what's wrong with this whole gig.

My iPhone data plan is minimal because I have never needed more: 4GB with a rollover of max another 4GB from previous month. So 8GB and I'm at the edge of overcharge territory in month 1 on iTunes 12.7, and after that, 4GB since would be no rollover left. How far does 4GB go when Garageband app alone is 1.56GB?

All my data usage for updating iOS devices has always come from my internet service provider, not my cellular carrrier. I don't stream music on cell, or update apps on cell, or download Apple music on cell. I do that on WiFi. I use cellular data once in awhile reading news and mail when I'm traveling. That's it.

I'm not jacking up my mobile data plan just because iTunes no longer handles app distribution. I made that point in my feedback to Apple.

Maybe their developers and execs all have humongous data plans. I had unlmited and could never use it because I live in a dead zone and finally figured forget it, gimme the minimum. Now comes Apple with oh btw you might need a bigger data plan after all... ?! No thanks.

I can live without all my third-party apps and without a smartphone when push comes to shove. Laptops don't weigh much any more and I can get used to using a dumb phone to make and receive phone calls.

I think this whole thing is an awful unholy mess for a variety of reasons, but I don't understand your particular issue unless I am missing something... can you not just download apps over your home wifi like you would have used for the mac, no?

If you have automatic app updates on your iPhone, turn them off (sounds like you probably have already anyway), then manually check for updates when you are on your home wifi... and you won't be using any more data for downloading apps on your cellular data plan. :)
 
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I think this whole thing is an awful unholy mess for a variety of reasons, but I don't understand your particular issue unless I am missing something... can you not just download apps over your home wifi like you would have used for the mac, no?

If you have automatic app updates on your iPhone, turn them off (sounds like you probably have already anyway), then manually check for updates when you are on your home wifi... and you won't be using any more data for downloading apps on your cellular data plan. :)

Or just don’t allow updates on cellular but leave automatic updates on. That exists you know.
 
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Does anyone have a link to download iTunes 12.6.2 for Windowsx64? I cannot find it anywhere! I found this page (https://support.apple.com/kb/DL1934?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US) which says download iTunes 12.6.2 but the download button only sends the OS X DMG file even though it mentions Windows on the page. I have tried five different browsers in case there was some problem with Apple's site recognizing my platform but it makes no difference.

Found it (iTunes 12.6.2 x64 Windows) if anyone needs to revert: https://secure-appldnld.apple.com/i...6BB9-11E7-A878-C6374A4DD6D5/iTunes64Setup.exe
 
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Does Configurator 2 allow you to choose your app layout on the home screen? i.e. which folder on a certain page that each app gets installed into, with a different folder for some apps and another folder for other apps?

Works exactly as well as iTunes did, but actually quicker to apply (if this is the only change you're making).
 
I expect that it does but it is not as visible as it was in Old iTunes. But what Configurator 2 does not have is AppStore. Buying/getting a new app must be done on the mobile device. I have read that it is possible to stop the app from downloading to the device after tapping buy/get. But the AppStore will record it a having been obtained. Thereafter, from understanding, it will be available in Configurator 2. Very convoluted, and very clunky. Old iTunes was much simpler and more elegant.

Remember when Apple disparaged MS-DOS and the earlier versions of Windows for being ugly and clunky? It has now made app management ugly and clunky. New iTunes may be as popular as New Coke and the Edsel were.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but new purchases can be made on as many iDevices as we own that have the same Apple ID logged in, but the 10 device limit per Apple ID is only for being able to re-install previously purchased items, right?

So, previously purchased apps are the only ones we'll need Configurator 2 to install onto those devices anyways, right?
 
Too true, and in the data of your post is what's wrong with this whole gig.

My iPhone data plan is minimal because I have never needed more: 4GB with a rollover of max another 4GB from previous month. So 8GB and I'm at the edge of overcharge territory in month 1 on iTunes 12.7, and after that, 4GB since would be no rollover left. How far does 4GB go when Garageband app alone is 1.56GB?

All my data usage for updating iOS devices has always come from my internet service provider, not my cellular carrrier. I don't stream music on cell, or update apps on cell, or download Apple music on cell. I do that on WiFi. I use cellular data once in awhile reading news and mail when I'm traveling. That's it.

I'm not jacking up my mobile data plan just because iTunes no longer handles app distribution. I made that point in my feedback to Apple.

Maybe their developers and execs all have humongous data plans. I had unlmited and could never use it because I live in a dead zone and finally figured forget it, gimme the minimum. Now comes Apple with oh btw you might need a bigger data plan after all... ?! No thanks.

I can live without all my third-party apps and without a smartphone when push comes to shove. Laptops don't weigh much any more and I can get used to using a dumb phone to make and receive phone calls.

"Cellular Data downloads are limited to a file size of 100 MB or smaller." - https://support.apple.com/en-vn/HT202180

as others have said, why not just update the apps over wifi? tbh it sounds like you're trying to find any justification you can to abandon smartphones and go back to a simpler time. all power to you, you should, if that's what you want.
 
How do I delete 12.7 from the update lineup? I do not want the update, but I don't know how to delete it in Sierra and I can't seem to find direections
 
How do I delete 12.7 from the update lineup? I do not want the update, but I don't know how to delete it in Sierra and I can't seem to find direections

You can't 'delete' it (at least I don't think you can), but you can hide it by right clicking on the description of the update(s) that you wish to hide, and click Hide Update.
 
Very useful thanks for that
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Can you help me, when I click on this link it takes me to the iOS App Store, but if I copy the link (so I can find it easily) and save in notes, when I click the link the iOS App Store doesn't open - I just get iTunes preview.
You don't need to use this link on a device, because you already have full access to the App Store - and before iTunes 12.7 you were also not able to see the web version of an App on a device - it opened up directly in the build-in App Store, as you also see here.
 
You can't 'delete' it (at least I don't think you can), but you can hide it by right clicking on the description of the update(s) that you wish to hide, and click Hide Update.
Thanks Hideous. I managed to get rid of the update, but I've got one more question. If some more updates come up and I hit "Update All", will it download the hidden iTunes 12.7??
 
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Flippin' sheep, no we don't! What's wrong with everyone??? One minute everyone is ultra PC and now we either have to take it up the yahzoo like good little wenches or we get in line with the bully's and support their ultra overt fascist BS. The point is I can get behind removing the App Store from iTunes but they don't have to neuter or spay us like stray tech pets! Give us back the ability to back up our iOS apps on the Mac and quit trying to force feed us the "Cloud." If we don't want to do it that way, we shouldn't have to. Especially since they already were letting us do it previously anyway. This, "take it and you'll like it," crap has to stop. Activism, is not dead. If enough people make an effort to demand change, then change will happen. So don't whimper or whine and roll over. Take action and make an effort to do something about it!

Sorry man. Most Apple users don't realize it, and those who do won't like to admit it, but they play the role of the ones depicted as the audience in the 1984 commercial, and have been doing so for some time.

It, and the Think Different campaign came from a different company. The one now sold its soul for enormous success and only pays lip service to users now. It doesn't care about disruptions to users' workflows or usage habits. Apple knows best.

If the two Steves were to start a company today, Apple would be the one they'd be trying not to emulate.

What used to be counterculture is now the mainstream. The Man now resides in Cupertino, and isn't wearing any clothes.

That's my perspective as an Apple user since 1978.
 
You don't need to use this link on a device, because you already have full access to the App Store - and before iTunes 12.7 you were also not able to see the web version of an App on a device - it opened up directly in the build-in App Store, as you also see here.

No, on my Mac (not iOS device). When I click the link in this thread I get iOS App Store on the Mac, when I copy the link to notes (to easily find), and post into Safari I just get iTunes preview.
 
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