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Can anyone who successfully downgraded back to 12.6 explain the proper way to get it done? I always get errors. Using Time Machine to bring back iTunes and the iTunes Library from before the update seems insufficient.

iTunes would either fail to open or open with some error.
 
I didn't know that. TBH i abandon apps I don't use a lot, fairly quickly, so I've never noticed.

serious question then - Does that mean that there's somewhere in the world, where they're still selling Flight Control on the App Store?

There was an article that somebody posted in this thread today or yesterday. It explains that developers who wish to continue to make an app available to people who had gotten it in the past will keep it on one AppStore in a very small market, Burkina Faso being an example of such a market. That means that very few people can get the app if they have never gotten it before, but people who had gotten it before can continue to get it. Given the way that the AppStore is set up it is the only way for developers to make old apps available to people who had gotten them before.
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Can anyone who successfully downgraded back to 12.6 explain the proper way to get it done? I always get errors. Using Time Machine to bring back iTunes and the iTunes Library from before the update seems insufficient.

iTunes would either fail to open or open with some error.
This worked for me: https://discussions.apple.com/message/32216223#message32216223
 
I don't understand why Apple can't keep every App available for users in their purchase list even if the developer choose not to keep the account active. For example with iTunes Match I download hundreds of songs from my library that do not exist in the iTunes music store. I know Apps are larger files than AACs, so space is an issue.
 
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Can anyone who successfully downgraded back to 12.6 explain the proper way to get it done? I always get errors. Using Time Machine to bring back iTunes and the iTunes Library from before the update seems insufficient.

iTunes would either fail to open or open with some error.

I have had exactly the same issue, I have tried all of the suggested methods.
You are unable to delete the App as normal, it's protected
You are unable to restore from a Time Machine backup, again it's a protected App
If you remove the protection then the App can be deleted, you are then able to install 12.6.2, but it only opens with an error (an unknown error -45076), nothing appears when searching Google, click OK and iTunes closes.
Then need to upgrade again to 12.7
 
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I don't understand why Apple can't keep every App available for users in their purchase list even if the developer choose not to keep the account active. For example with iTunes Match I download hundreds of songs from my library that do not exist in the iTunes music store. I know Apps are larger files than AACs, so space is an issue.

Or release software that does manage all the non-music types. But removing access to apps that were legally purchased? How can anyone justify this?
 
Anything that requires me to download the same app five times is ill considered.

Is Apple maybe planning on bringing fiberoptic cable to the boondocks now? Sounds great, somehow I must have missed the memo. /S

I will not live to see that even if it happens, so I'm not acquiring any more apps and will be ruthless in paring down not only what apps I bother with any more, but what devices I bother retaining and buying in future. I have uses for all five of the ones I do maintain now, but I can get over that too. I could get over my craving for an iPad upgrade.

Wow, I can't believe Apple did this. This is worse than how they handle iCloud music library and Apple music. regarding upload/redownload of your own music for instance. That at least I understood the reasons for, more or less, although it's certainly an awkward solution to a problem that should be resolved between Apple and the music owners, and transparent to the end users.

But this... this is multiple downloads of a given app, one per iOS device, every single time a vendor releases an app update. Apps get updated frequently, I see dozens every week. Now x5 to apply each update. Give me a break. They busted something wasn't broken. Finally I really loathe Apple over something "new" they've put out there and it's this iTunes version.

Dear Apple: put up an app manager app. Make it optional. It's not that complicated. You just ripped the code out of iTunes 12.6.2.20, remember?

Totally agree...what about data consumption increases just for updating apps?
 
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Can anyone who successfully downgraded back to 12.6 explain the proper way to get it done? I always get errors. Using Time Machine to bring back iTunes and the iTunes Library from before the update seems insufficient.

iTunes would either fail to open or open with some error.

The only thing that worked for me was erasing the hard drive and reinstalling MacOS and quickly turning off auto update for apps. It was a pain but I backed up all my files and took the dive. :/
 
What I'd like to know is --
If you have to restore a device, or set up a new one using backup of another, then d/l all the apps --
If you're on a wired connection (connected to your PC, yes I'm using Win10) will the d/l still be over wi-fi or will it use the wire?
If apps contain data (e.g. various office-y & reader type apps) will the data also be transferred over? Does the newly d/l app pick up the old data from the backup?
Or what?
 
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I am ready to make the leap and try to reinstall iTunes 12.6
I am coming here for some hand-holding from others that have done this successfully. I have never done anything in terminal before and so am very nervous.

1. Could someone please confirm that the correct command to type in terminal is as below and that I have put spaces in the right places?:
sudo rm -r/Applications/iTunes.app

2. Does 12.6 successfully download and install from the Apple site? Do I need to restart my iMac after killing 12.7 in Terminal before downloading and installing 12.6?

3. Has everyone had to rebuild their iTunes library after downgrading?

4. I have bookmarked https://www.itipbox.com/rebuild-itunes-library/
Before even embarking on executing the Terminal command, would it be wise to copy the current .itl file and the one in the Previous Libraries folder that I will want to use if I have to rebuild to a thumbstick? I ask this because if I kill 12.7 via Terminal and then can't download/install 12.6, will all my iTunes library files be gone for good?

I know for a lot of you this is primary school stuff, but for me this is a big, scary endeavour and the more precisely outlined steps I have, the better!

I thank you in advance.
 
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Where is that? I quit iTunes and relaunched it. And I restarted my iMac. I do no see that. I do not see "Mange Hidden Purchases" anywhere.

This is on my Windows version of iTunes but it should be the same on app platforms since its basically just a website within iTunes. Wherever you go in iTunes to manage your account (addresses, billing, etc). There should be an item that talks about hidden purchases with a button to the right. I hit that and it brings me to that page that includes all my hidden purchases including apps.
 
Since most user stream music these days I can see Apple getting rid of that in the near future as well. The new Apple Watch is an example as there is no storage on it yet a big selling point is the ability to listen to music without your iPhone.

No not everyone streams music these days, heck, I'd be surprised if that number was really as high as people like you think it is. If Apple did this they would lose a LOT of customers because hopefully people would be smart enough to see through apple and realize the ONLY reason they'd do something as DUMB as this is to try and push people onto their ****** Apple Music service.
 
And you are trusting them to let that keep on happening?
After all this time I can safely say Apple and most developers cannot be trusted AT ALL. Of course this isn't only about money, even free apps are affected by this decision.

So I'll keep monitoring to see if something changes. It would be very unwise to update anything without making sure of the consequences. Sadly only a few people learned how to backup apps and this must be the reason why this isn't being complained as it should.

What I can tell is that honestly I don't feel inclined to buy anything if there's no way to make sure I am going to keep using the device or the content that is already in it as long as I want. I feel this is some sort of slavery, and makes it pointless to keep investing (in other words, paying for apps and other stuff) in what can be removed from you whenever the "real owners" want or at any moment and for any stupid reason.
 
Deleted my post - I figured it out.
Thank you to Eternal Bliss - I now have 12.6 restored!
[doublepost=1505859771][/doublepost]Oh, oh. I just realized by following the links here that I downloaded iTunes 12.6 from the US site. I am in Canada. Was I supposed to use the Canadian Apple site?
 
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Deleted my post - I figured it out.
Thank you to Eternal Bliss - I now have 12.6 restored!
[doublepost=1505859771][/doublepost]Oh, oh. I just realized by following the links here that I downloaded iTunes 12.6 from the US site. I am in Canada. Was I supposed to use the Canadian Apple site?
Software is the same. When you sign in to your iTunes account, everything will be normal.
 
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Deleted my post - I figured it out.
Thank you to Eternal Bliss - I now have 12.6 restored!
[doublepost=1505859771][/doublepost]Oh, oh. I just realized by following the links here that I downloaded iTunes 12.6 from the US site. I am in Canada. Was I supposed to use the Canadian Apple site?
You're welcome. I used that link and I am in Canada.
 
I don't understand why Apple can't keep every App available for users in their purchase list even if the developer choose not to keep the account active. For example with iTunes Match I download hundreds of songs from my library that do not exist in the iTunes music store. I know Apps are larger files than AACs, so space is an issue.

Or release software that does manage all the non-music types. But removing access to apps that were legally purchased? How can anyone justify this?

Apple's media/device relationship needs to be blown up and rebuilt altogether. But that's not going to happen, because the future it clearly wants is for everyone to move to iOS or iOS-based devices, with little to no Mac connection at all. The changes with 12.7 is but yet another example that it sees Macs as old news, despite waking the hardware groups from their slumber and telling them to at least shove some up to date hardware out the door this year.

Things were simple when the Mac was still the company, and the iPod appeared. It was but a music player, and needed a simple application to load it with songs and also play them on the computer. When the iTMS arrived, it was a simple task to integrate the additional source for media content.

But, with each successive new media type and source, Apple has simply added onto iTunes and made it into the Winchester Mystery House that everyone likes to hate, and often with good reason.

There hasn't been a cohesive strategy to sensibly accomodate each new media type with the apps on two different platforms; they've just simply shoehorned them in where they might fit best.

Now that Apple has finally realized that such a mishmash of content spread across so many apps and their nooks and crannies is no longer sustainable, it is finally taking steps to clean up the mess. That's a good thing.

However, the way in which they're going about it reflects a serious lack of though, and consideration for the user. That's not a good thing.

Simply excising functionality that users have relied on for many years, with no equally capable substitute, is like amputating a limb in a desperate attempt at weight loss. It may accomplish the goal in the short term, but leaves the person less capable overall.

As I've said before, I don't believe Apple is the company that fought the hard times, and survived to prosper and achieve massive success.

Jobs has passed, and many have gone on to pursue their own goals outside of the company.

Those who are still around have become drunk with success, and have lost the plot, allowing the company to get fat and lazy ("Macs? Oh yeah, I think they're still around in the back. But wouldn't you like an iPhone instead?")

The newbies who have joined the company only know it as a success, and don't have the experience of having to deliver or go home. "Good enough" is now the standard.

And the secretive, silo-ed culture Apple embraces only works up to a point, and often doesn't work at all. It's not good for worker morale, and the disconnect between what the different groups know is not an efficient way to work or result in good products.

In short, this is not a company that feels scared, feels a need to listen to customers, or still feels that it has to lead. That's great while it lasts, but the iPhone is not going to carry the load forever, and any student of business can recite a litany of companies that have faded, if not completely into oblivion. Apple may not meet such a fate, but a path like IBM or HP has followed is not out of the question, though it may still be a ways off.

"Stay hungry, stay foolish?" That guy ain't around any more.
 
I'm missing the problem. If you purchased or downloaded an app and had insufficient space on your ipad, it would still be grouped in with your purchased apps. You could download it later from the App Store on your iPad at a later time when you had more space. Or does the iPad prevent one from downloading apps directly onto an iPad where space is insufficient?

Related to the space issue, keep in mind that with iOS 11, Apple is introducing this feature called Off Loading, where unused apps, but not their data, will be deleted from your iPad automatically to save space. This could be useful if you have an iPad with limited space.

https://www.theverge.com/2017/6/7/15752132/ios-11-storage-deleting-apps-messages-photos



Agreed, they should have given customers a heads-up, if nothing else to back up the apps they already have.

This isn't sufficient for those of use with a family of five people and more than 10 devices, because Apple won't let us automatically download or redownload purchases on more than 10 devices, and we have 15. Before, we could have our Macs and iPhones set to download purchases directly to those devices, and then install purchases on the iPads through iTunes.

So...
 
I don't understand why Apple can't keep every App available for users in their purchase list even if the developer choose not to keep the account active.

Apple has millions of developers paying $99/year to keep their apps in the store. Why would Apple want to give up that revenue stream?

Also, legally, Apple doesn't own the copyright to the developer's apps. So unless the developer renews the developer agreement, it may not be legal for Apple to continue to distribute copyrighted material beyond the enrollment period.
 
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Apple has millions of developers paying $99/year to keep their apps in the store. Why would Apple want to give up that revenue stream?

That is true but if a developer hits hard times and doesn't renew, shouldn't we still have access to any apps we purchased in our purchased list? Neither Apple or the developer makes any money if you re-download something back to your iOS device.

It could be it isn't legal to continue to distribute copyright material. They do it with iTunes Match, but maybe they worked out deals with the record labels.
 
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