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The 1.3 SMC firmware update is not shown in "Software Update" on my early 08 2.4 Penryn MBP, built September 08. I run SMC fan control 100% of the time at 2500rpm, the fans pick up speed once the CPU exceeds 80C and as a rule unless the MBP is being stressed the CPU is at <55C and GPU at <65C, OS-X is at 10.5.7 & SMC Version (system): 1.27f1

I dont plan on manually running this patch as my MBP is running fine, and I want to know a lot more about what exactly the patch does, as it may not be reversible and the results adverse on my MBP

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Didn't fix blackening issue...

I was told by they are working on this issue and kind of hoped that this would fix it...
I guess this issue will be dealt by driver update.
 

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Late 2008 Unibody Macbook Pro 2.8 doesn't need this update. It's already running the way that people describe this update to behave.

With an alluminium chassis you shouldn't necessarily put the Macbook on your lap with nothing in between when running CPU/GPU intensive applications. That's what alluminium does, carry away the heat from the inner to the outer. If you don't like that then better buy a plastic computer, plastic isolates from heat.

The chips specs allow a maximum temperature of 105°C. Even after running stress tests for 6.5 hours with a CPU temperature of around 100°C the computer wont crash. The GPU usually stays well below that anyway.

Besides, the fans are operated by hardware (that's why it says SMC Firmware update) and thus run just the same on Windows as on OS X, at least on my late 2008 Unibody Macbook Pro.

This is to make the computer quiet and nothing to worry about unless it gets too hot for you on the outside. In that case you're better off with using SMCfancontrol or some external cooling solution.

Just to mention it: iStat seems to read the CPU Diode instead of the Core temperatures. This usually is around 10°C higher than what's going on inside of the CPU. I would be better if it showed the CPU Core temperatures of all Cores (at least optionally).

Here is an example of the fans spinning up quite late after when a "sudden" rush of load surprises them after a longer period of only small load. And guess what, if the sudden rush stops suddenly then the CPU temp is down below 70°C in a second and after some more time it's down below 50°C, all with fans only running at 2000 rpm.

So what this update probably really does it make the fans only spin up for prolonged periods of load or for regular load after initially keeping fan-noise down for as long as possible. The CPU can take it, don't worry too much. It may be hot on your hands, but that's a design fault of the chassis (like when the heat gets exhausted/redirected to the upper side when the screen is tilted too much).

 
So basically its better for 8600GT users to installed the update seeing as its likely to kill your GPU faster or is the previous method better?
 
So basically its better for 8600GT users to installed the update seeing as its likely to kill your GPU faster or is the previous method better?

Is apple trying to force nvidia to actually do something making more chips fail?
 
I noticed this too. I have a 2007 Santa Rosa MBP and prior to the SMC update the fans seemed to amp up a lot quicker when doing anything CPU intensive. Could just all be in our heads though :p

I noticed this behaviour mostly under Windows 7 where the temperature conditions are worse than under OSX Leopard. I think this is some kind of progress, but anyway it could be fixed by accident and overall purpose was to slow agony of our NVIDIA chips ;) Please note that other laptop brand release similar few months ago and strange time coincidence - Apple release MacBook Pro SMC Firmware Update 1.3 on May 28, 2009 and next day they extended warranty policy to three years for all Macs with failing NVIDIA chips.
 
Is apple trying to force nvidia to actually do something making more chips fail?


This update, as others have said, adjusts the fan's speed to start later and variates the heat the GPU will undertake. Again, as someone already stated in this thread, it's not heat that ruins a bad chip, but the fluctuation of heating up to cooling down.

I'm guessing they're trying to weed out the bad chips. Apple just extended the warranty for our MBPs to 3 years, so even if it does somehow fail it'll be covered. I installed the update. Heck, at least I'll know if it was a bad chip, and if so Apple will cover it (assuming it fails within the next year or two).
 
SMC update 1.3... should I install it even though my NVIDIA card was replaced

Last week after my MBP was running hot and fans were on full speed, I shut the lid the set it aside; the next morning the video was dead. I took it into the Apple store, they ran a diagnostic test to check for the specific NVIDIA issue, and it of course failed so they had to replace the logic board. This was over memorial day weekend; I took it in Friday at 2pm, and I had my computer back in my hands by Wednesday 9am (even though Monday was a holiday). Not too bad. All my data was in tact.

I'm wondering now that I have the new logic board, if I should still install this SMC update or just ignore it. I'd obviously like to prevent any future failures (I wonder if the new logic board actually fixes the design flaw, or if it just gives me another year or two before it fails, too?), but don't want to fix anything that's not broken.

You would think the SMC update actually helps the reliability of the NVIDIA cards, rather than encourages them to fail to "weed" out the bad ones, right?
 
Bah, this update has made my temps run hotter when not putting any load on it. Used to run between 118 to 125 F. Now running in the 130's to 140's.
 
Bah, this update has made my temps run hotter when not putting any load on it. Used to run between 118 to 125 F. Now running in the 130's to 140's.

Ok, I'm going to hold off on the update. Does anyone know what this update is *supposed* to do? Run fans more often, less often, more gradually, ??
 
I am finding that my fans are kicking in much earlier with this update, and subsequently my temps aren't reaching as high as they used to.

Generally a lot more fan activity.
 
Think twice before applying the SMC firmware...

Here is something that I read on another Mac site:

"Just applied the SMC update and rebooted, followed by full power fans and the quickly loading firmware screen. After that another reboot and desktop. I was curious as to what this update did, doesn't seem to have done anything to the fans as I can tell, however my performance in World of Warcraft has gone from very very good to absolutely horrendous. Seriously getting about a third of the performance I was getting before. I dont know if they just completely throttled back the graphics chips with this update or what else they did.
I have my laptop on a cooling pad and I also use SMC fan control to prevent overheating and regret applying this update. (At least for now, I'd remove SMC fan control just to simplify the equation so to speak.) Will try to reapply the update see if it fixes issues. (it probably won't re-apply again - usually it'll check and say your firmware is already updated. However I'd try a SMC reset also - may not help but worth a try.-Mike) If anything, is there a way to run a previous firmware update to revert? Any suggestions are helpful.
-Emerson "

Here is the original link:

http://www.xlr8yourmac.com/archives/may09/052809.html
 
Well I installed the upgrade on my MacBook Pro 15" Aug 08 and it's caused my fan to make a cranking noise. It does go away after running for several minutes, but I wish I never installed it.

Anyway to uninstall?
 
Well I installed the upgrade on my MacBook Pro 15" Aug 08 and it's caused my fan to make a cranking noise. It does go away after running for several minutes, but I wish I never installed it.

Anyway to uninstall?
That means there is a problem with one or both of your fans, not the update. You are still under warranty so take the machine in.
 
is there anyway to role back to 1.2 ?

Hi - my temps seem much higher with SMC Firmware 1.3 - does anyone know if its possible to role back to 1.2 ?


Thanks
 
I'm getting high temps too. Am I the only one who seems to see the link of higher temperature and extended warranty to 3 years... They are trying to kill the bad cards to replace them with good ones??? Who knows???
 
Can't install on a Unibody MBP 2.53GHz. I had fan problems since the beginning... and it's an SMC problem.

Me too, though I have a 2.4 Ghz Unibody. God sure knows it could use a more reactive fan control. Constant crashes due to heat, in both OS'es and no, I'm not going to use a third-party fancontrol on premium computer hardware!
 
Anyone blaming "heat" as a source of crashes in Windows should have a look at his Event Log. Most often the reasons are GPU driver issues, Trackpad driver issues and last but not least AHCI (aka SATA HD) issues with which Windows points to the BIOS (aka EFI).

Since installing Windows in March I had 15 AHCI crashes. Sorry, but "Poor job Apple!" :apple:
 
I have an early 08 15" MBP, I just installed the update. I tried stressing my machine, exporting a full HD Quicktime file, and the update seems to let the machine get hotter before bumping up the fan speed. The fans usually start to spin up when it gets to about 70⁰c-75⁰c. But this time they stayed at 2000 rpm until the temp reached 87⁰c !!!!! and then slowly started speeding up. That is the hottest I have ever seen it get, nearly to hot to touch.

Nearly hot to the touch? My macbook pro could double as a frying pan since the day i got it if its on a fairly heavy load.
 
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