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Leopard

I've had a look through the site, but where were we with regards to ZFS and Leopard?

Is it likely to make it to GM?

Cheers,

FireArse
 
All of the great OS level changes that were supposed to come with Leopard are conspicuously absent. No ZFS and no resolution independent UI means that the two most revolutionary features with the most implications for the future of the platform are gone. I was seriously excited about Leopard, but every day that we get closer to gold master means that these will not be in there.

The other things, Spaces, even time warp can be done as applications sitting on top of the OS (well time warp would require some kind of version control like svn but still, it's not nearly as great as having a display of incredible resolution that won't require that my old man eyes have to be 1 inch away from the screen).

Unless the surprise feature is an iPhone SDK, a crippled Leopard won't save apple from the whole bad decision iceberg that is smashing into their titanic.

Errr.... you can't take advantage of resolution independence yet anyway, since there are no high definition displays out there right now. Current display are around 100 pixels per inch. Resolution independence makes it so you can have a display woth more pixels per inch, without making everything super small. Instead, everything gets ultra sharp. But these displays are not out yet, and that's not Apple's fault... Resolution Independence is there and working alright, it's just not activated yet. It probably will be updated when there are high def displays out. Besides, making an application ready for it takes some work, this is why Apple had to start promoting early so the major applications are ready when the time comes.

The other thing is time machine. Trust me, this is unlike any other bckup solution out there. It's built in, automatic and totally transparent. You won't notice it's there until it saves the day by giving you back the files you accidently erased or overwrote or your hard drive died. It's also efficient because it knows things about the system that 3rd party apps can't possibly know.

I agree the new dock looks unfinished, the scaling of the icons when you have the zoom on is way smoother in Tiger. But hey, front row now actually works and I think it's a nice package as it is. I played around with A559 and it's reasonably stable. Most of the cool stuff is under the hood which makes your apps work better and look prettier :)
Oh, and the intro video is high def :D
 
Aren't ZFS and resolution independence still in 10.5, just not prominently featured?

No they aren't. ZFS only showed up in earlier betas of the disk utility. Resolution independence as an SDK was exposed to developers in 10.4, but like ZFS, it disappeared in an earlier build of of the beta and hasn't come back.

This is actually a pattern we've seen in Vista as well, revolutionary features like winFS getting culled because the developers were taking too long, the launch date being pushed back (though nowhere nearly as far).

ZFS was never a publicly announced feature. So it's not fair that you're counting that against Apple.

Yeah, I know, but it was one of the two features that really would set OSX ahead of its time, as visionary. Other than that, it's just UI differences between OSX and windows, and a couple of apps that are integrated into the OS. Nothing groundbreaking.
 
How do updated OS's correlate to hardware? Does every new computer ordered after the shipping date is announced include leopard? ie If they announce leopard on the 10th and say it'll ship on 17th, and I order a macbook on 11th, will it include leopard?

Apple is cutting it mighty fine to let me get my free nano (offer ends 31st oct)
 
How do updated OS's correlate to hardware? Does every new computer ordered after the shipping date is announced include leopard? ie If they announce leopard on the 10th and say it'll ship on 17th, and I order a macbook on 11th, will it include leopard?

Apple is cutting it mighty fine to let me get my free nano (offer ends 31st oct)

Don't they have the Nano deal like all year long? I remember when the free engraving on the iPods expired every month and then renewed.
 
The other thing is time machine. Trust me, this is unlike any other bckup solution out there. It's built in, automatic and totally transparent. You won't notice it's there until it saves the day by giving you back the files you accidently erased or overwrote or your hard drive died. It's also efficient because it knows things about the system that 3rd party apps can't possibly know.
Unless you're using external storage it's not much more impressive then Volume Shadow Copy.
 
I am getting worried. Now it is actually October and there is no announcement for a release date yet. This likely means the earliest we would see it is the end of the month.

No spit, Sherlock.

The iPhone was promised for June. When did it come out? The end of June.

Apple said that Leopard would come out in October. Last time I checked, there's 31 days in October. They didn't say October 1st, so please calm the heck down.

:apple:
 
FUD? Count on it.

The OS is in a shippable state now, it's far enough along that they can ship what they have and just have a software update on release day. There's absolutely no reason it would miss the date. For all we know, they already have declared GM and sent to the duplicator, and these are just testing out the stuff that will be in software update.

What:confused:
And you know this how?
Talk about rumors. :rolleyes:
 
How do updated OS's correlate to hardware? Does every new computer ordered after the shipping date is announced include leopard? ie If they announce leopard on the 10th and say it'll ship on 17th, and I order a macbook on 11th, will it include leopard?

I sadly, just bought a Windows Vista computer. I remember when Vista was released, it took a couple days or weeks maybe for laptops to ship with it already installed. Now, I don't think Apple would have laptops available with Leopard on it before the actual release of the OS. That's my opinion, but then again...Who really knows what Apple does now-a-days?:rolleyes::apple:
 
From appleinsider.com :

leopard-seed-update-091001.png

Thanks a lot ... I went away from the keyboard for a minute with this thread open. I guess I never really noticed the picture ... anyhow, I had software update running ... I got back, and I tried clicking on this. I was getting really frustrated until I realized this was an image ...

Now, I feel like an idiot ... I am going to hide in a corner.

Those new shadows around windows really push things out at ya.
 
Errr.... you can't take advantage of resolution independence yet anyway, since there are no high definition displays out there right now... these displays are not out yet, and that's not Apple's fault...

The other thing is time machine. Trust me, this is unlike any other bckup solution out there. It's built in, automatic and totally transparent. You won't notice it's there until it saves the day by giving you back the files you accidently erased or overwrote or your hard drive died. It's also efficient because it knows things about the system that 3rd party apps can't possibly know.

Yeah, you're right that the current displays aren't high enough resolution to make it a requirement to have resolution independence, but imagine kicking back away from your computer, turning up your UI, and having the stuff get bigger, without losing resolution (like now you'd have to use magnification). And already, i'd like to have everything a bit bigger than it is on my macbook. The iPhone really does a good job with using resolution independence in browser, i'd like to see that in a bigger form factor.

And the snapshotting in time machine is good, but the capabilities of snapshotting in ZFS are phenomenal, and it's a lot better of an option than just a simple overlay with HFS+ like it currently is.

I do admit though that I am pretty excited for the desktop sharing in iChat because, if it works as promised, it will really let me work with other people remotely without the hassle of trying to set up VNC. At the same time, I'm afraid it will be like video conferencing in iChat now, which means you can't use it without opening up ports, which I can't do with my ISP (and most people won't want to do to just use iChat, especially with multiple computers behind a NAT router, which is in almost every household and office that I know of).
 
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