Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.5.8

[rjheys]

Still no 1680x1050 over MiniDP

I have a 2009 Mac Pro and I was hoping this update would let me finally use my display at its native resolution of 1680x1050 while plugged in to the Mini Display Port, but it still doesn't work. 1680x1050 just isn't in the list of resolutions for me to select. Every thing looks horrible 1600x1000

 

[celticpride678]

I just checked and my 13" MBP showed 7:01 of battery life, but i've seen the indicator exceed 7 hours before. Doesn't last that long in actual usage, of course.

I would recommend you calibrate you battery before anything.

I searched, but wasn't able to find anything ...

Is anyone else having problems with Finder windows opening much slower after the update?

When Finder is minimized in the Dock, it does seem to take a bit longer to open. Maybe is just has to cache a few times before it gets speedy again?

 

[HLdan]

Well when a PPC Mac is still a viable system and only 3 years old I'd be mad too...I mean I have a 7 year old PC that will run Windows 7 when it comes out, why shouldn't PPC Mac users with relatively new hardware not be mad that OS support will soon be a thing of the past for them?

Your 7 year old PC can run Windows 7? Most likely because Windows 7 is the same as Windows Vista, which is the same as Windows XP, which is the same as Windows 2000, which is the same as Windows 95. The DNA of Windows has not changed. Same basics, Registry, DLL file system, Device Driver Manager, same file name restrictions for the end user. Nothing major has changed other than new UI and bug fixes for stability and new features.
Apple has changed the underlying code of their OS's since OS9 to OS X. Do you want Apple to keep OS X the same since it was when it was first released? Sure, they could do that but then it would cripple them from advancing technologies which is exactly what Microsoft doesn't do with Windows. You can't advance tech without making changes.

 

[Eidorian]

Your 7 year old PC can run Windows 7? Most likely because Windows 7 is the same as Windows Vista, which is the same as Windows XP, which is the same as Windows 2000, which is the same as Windows 95. The DNA of Windows has not changed. Same basics, Registry, DLL file system, Device Driver Manager, same file name restrictions for the end user. Nothing major has changed other than new UI and bug fixes for stability and new features.
Apple has changed the underlying code of their OS's since OS9 to OS X. Do you want Apple to keep OS X the same since it was when it was first released? Sure, they could do that but then it would cripple them from advancing technologies which is exactly what Microsoft doesn't do with Windows. You can't advance tech without making changes.

I don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to Windows.

Oh and I thank god that Microsoft included the NT 4.0 Service Pack 5 compatibility mode so I can run Homeworld using the OpenGL renderer over DirectX. AA and AF included via my GPU.

64-bit and fully compatible with 10 year old software.

 

[gmcalpin]

Hey can anyone backup through time machine fine? Cause i can't.... It hangs there....

I backup on a time capsule....

Time Machine works fine for me. I don't have a Time Capsule, though; my TM drive is a FW800 external.

 

[jon08]

Ah, I just noticed that even though now Airport connection is no longer dropping, there IS a significant drop in wireless speed when I place my MBP on mStand, tho.

In a speed test I just did, I got 70 kb/s on wireless and 102 kb/s on Ethernet cable. The difference, unfortunately, is NOT negligible to me. Any idea why this happens & how to fix it so that I could get the same internet speed on both wireless and Ethernet just like I did before (before I got mStand yet the laptop was still elevated tho not as much as with mStand)??

 

[John.B]

Have they finally fixed the DNS issues?

Which ones?

 

[HLdan]

I don't think you know what you're talking about when it comes to Windows.

Oh and I thank god that Microsoft included the NT 4.0 Service Pack 5 compatibility mode so I can run Homeworld using the OpenGL renderer over DirectX. AA and AF included via my GPU.

64-bit and fully compatible with 10 year old software.

Okay, please Eidorian, don't try to challenge me about Microsoft's operating system. I don't like dating myself but I have a degree in electronics and we started out on the IBM PC learning DOS, Cobalt and machine language, way before Windows was a twinkle in Microsoft's eye so I do know what I'm talking about. I was just covering the basics of the DNA of Windows and I am not wrong about that. I didn't say Windows isn't any better since 95, I'm saying that overall, it's the same which is why legacy hardware and programs still run on the latest versions of Windows. The Mac OS has made serious changes for the better over the years and to stay ahead of new technologies. Windows has not.

 

[mr.steevo]

I think the real issue will be how long are 3rd party developers going to continue to support 10.5. Pretty much everything I use is still available for 10.4, often back to 10.2, so I think PPC users can expect a couple more years of software compatibility...

I've noticed that PPC isn't being fully supported on new software that Google puts out. 10.4 or 10.5 makes no difference. The PPC is dead, which is no good for me because I happen to like using my iBook. Still, I am not being forced to buy a new Intel computer, nor has the internet shut down on me because I use a PPC. I figure my 5 year old iBook will still give me another couple of years before I will consider buying my next Apple. Sorry Steve!

s.

 

[zygo]

This morning I installed 10.5.8 on my Santa Rosa MBP (2.4 Ghz) after having made sure there were no weird issues with it (by reading this thread). However, after reboot the screen stays black. Not only the backlight is off, but also there is nothing on the screen (checked the screen in full sunlight).

I turned it off, took the battery out and unplugged the cord an turned it on to make sure it was really off, but that didn't help. Resetting PVRAM didn't help either.

I tried to boot the Leopard DVD (c key pressed) and it looks and sounds like the DVD boots properly, though still nothing on the screen.

Last week I installed rEFIt in order to boot Linux from an USB stick, not sure if that has something to do with the issue. One would still expect the screen to light up and the apple logo to show...

If the issue is related to rEFIt it might be that the Mac does not boot from HD, however you would expect it to be able to boot from DVD and that it would show the Boot screen (Grey screen with mac logo) properly. I do hear the bootup sound though...

So, now I am at the Apple store where they had a quick look and hooked my MBP up to an external monitor, no luck either. They only tried to boot it from harddisk, so I am going to find a friend with an external monitor to try to boot from DVD and see if that will show on the external monitor.

Anybody experiencing similar issues?

Sounds like the Nvidia chip issue-it's a known problem and the guys in the Apple store should have been able to run a test to confirm. Happened to mine-and is covered for 2 years beyond your standard warranty. Something to do with the materials used to hold the graphics chip to the board. The computers probably functioning fine-just no display output... I managed to target mode and get a backup done no problem.

 

[Rodus]

I don't know if this has been posted but the broken 3D in VMWare fusion on ATI cards has been fixed in .8

 

[AidenShaw]

Most likely because Windows 7 is the same as Windows Vista, which is the same as Windows XP, which is the same as Windows 2000, which is the same as Windows 95.

If by "same" you mean "based on", you're OK until you mention Windows 95.

Windows 95 is based on DOS, with a hybrid 16-bit/32-bit kernel and driver model.

Windows 2000 is based on NT4/NT3, which is a completely different kernel and native windows architecture. It implements the Win32 APIs in a "personality subsystem" which is distinct from the native APIs.

Apple has changed the underlying code of their OS's since OS9 to OS X.

The difference between Win9x and WinNT is as dramatic as the OS9 to OSX difference.

 

[Eidorian]

Okay, please Eidorian, don't try to challenge me about Microsoft's operating system. I don't like dating myself but I have a degree in electronics and we started out on the IBM PC learning DOS, Cobalt and machine language, way before Windows was a twinkle in Microsoft's eye so I do know what I'm talking about. I was just covering the basics of the DNA of Windows and I am not wrong about that. I didn't say Windows isn't any better since 95, I'm saying that overall, it's the same which is why legacy hardware and programs still run on the latest versions of Windows. The Mac OS has made serious changes for the better over the years and to stay ahead of new technologies. Windows has not.

It's really hard to swallow what you have to say when you make it seem like Windows hasn't changed at all since Windows 95.

It's admirable, to an extent, the level of support that Microsoft provides in Windows. PowerPC grievences get picked off as against progress. Apple isn't even providing 64-bit drivers back for all of its capable hardware. There are Intel people with grievences as well.

They're excessively encouraging you to get a new 9400M G machine because they don't feel its necessary to support last year's GPU. Apple's main computer revenue stream isn't OS X so you can understand why they want you to just drop perfectly useable hardware for the latest thing. It's all in the hardware margins.

Microsoft isn't a hardware company. We drone about it on and on. They're software and of course they're going to support every x86 machine under the sun to make a dollar and this is the last game out for 32-bit.

NT isn't 9x and I don't know how you can claim it.

 

[revbarabbas]

Your 7 year old PC can run Windows 7? Most likely because Windows 7 is the same as Windows Vista, which is the same as Windows XP, which is the same as Windows 2000, which is the same as Windows 95. The DNA of Windows has not changed. Same basics, Registry, DLL file system, Device Driver Manager, same file name restrictions for the end user. Nothing major has changed other than new UI and bug fixes for stability and new features.
Apple has changed the underlying code of their OS's since OS9 to OS X. Do you want Apple to keep OS X the same since it was when it was first released? Sure, they could do that but then it would cripple them from advancing technologies which is exactly what Microsoft doesn't do with Windows. You can't advance tech without making changes.

Whoa whoa whoa....where is all this hate coming from...I was just making an analogy...

SL will actually run faster on older hardware than Leopard because of the refinements they've made to the code...I was just pointing out that Windows 7 with it's bloat will still run fine on my 7 year old hardware because 7 years is not THAT old for a computer...still better to upgrade than to run 7 on old hardware but I was just making an analogy.

 

[JFreak]

You buying 3 Apple pro notebooks within the last 7 years IS insane and way overkill. Did you really NEED to upgrade that often? Probably not.

As I already pointed out, YES, definetely. I cannot use a broken laptop, so a broken one MUST be replaced with a working one.

Sheesh, as if all people only used their computers for web surfing; surely that use can give your laptop +10 year lifetime. But if I was only surfin' I wouldn't be using a pro laptop, would I?

Microsoft isn't a hardware company.

No, it is a marketing company that sells mostly expectations. Real product sucks.

 

[appie57]

updated by the safe mode + combo routine and no problems whatsoever on 2 2006 MBP's

 

[illegallydead]

I don't like dating myself

But you sure like piping off information that is not remotely true. Electronics degree or no, it seems as if you are going off of knowledge you got back in college and are applying it to everything since then.

If by "same" you mean "based on", you're OK until you mention Windows 95.

Windows 95 is based on DOS, with a hybrid 16-bit/32-bit kernel and driver model.

Windows 2000 is based on NT4/NT3, which is a completely different kernel and native windows architecture. It implements the Win32 APIs in a "personality subsystem" which is distinct from the native APIs.

The difference between Win9x and WinNT is as dramatic as the OS9 to OSX difference.

Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. HLdan is clearly missing the whole NT kernel switch... (i.e. 95/98/2000/ME ≠ NT, XP, Vista, Win7)

It's admirable, to an extent, the level of support that Microsoft provides in Windows. PowerPC grievences get picked off as against progress. Apple isn't even providing 64-bit drivers back for all of its capable hardware. There are Intel people with grievences as well.

They're excessively encouraging you to get a new 9400M G machine because they don't feel its necessary to support last year's GPU. Apple's main computer revenue stream isn't OS X so you can understand why they want you to just drop perfectly useable hardware for the latest thing. It's all in the hardware margins.

Microsoft isn't a hardware company. We drone about it on and on. They're software and of course they're going to support every x86 machine under the sun to make a dollar and this is the last game out for 32-bit.

Amen and amen. Knock microsoft all you want folks, but it will run on d*mn near ANY machine made within the last 10 years (sometimes more). Maybe not well, but you are legally allowed to install it and it will, in fact, install. That is something that Apple cannot and likely will not ever be able to claim, as they know exactly where their bread is buttered...

 

[Eidorian]

No, it is a marketing company that sells mostly expectations. Real product sucks.

Your mileage may vary.

I'm still living off the year of HD/h.264 from MWSF 2005. No hardware GPU video acceleration and Plex not Quicktime is the favorite.

Apple does its own marketing too.

 

[CREA]

Hoping to find some assistance here so I don't have to call Apple tech support because I'm sure they'll tell me to either restore from my latest TM backup or do a complete reinstall.

I'm running a white MacBook 4,1 (2.4 GHz, 4 GB RAM). Up until now, I've always used software update for dot releases (and I've been doing this since the first 10.5). However, after reading through this thread, I decided to go the combo update route. This is what I did and what occurred thereafter.

Started up in safe boot, verified and repaired permissions - that went fine. Went onto installing the combo update, that went fine. Then problems began to arise with the restart. It hung on the blank desktop for about 15 minutes, and even though I so painfully didn't want to do it, I knew I was going to have to force shut down.

Mac restarted twice, which I was happy about because that's normal with updating dot releases. Went to login, said I was running 10.5.8. To be on the safe side, I verified disk then all of the sudden Disk Utility, Dock, and Finder all beachballed. After a few minutes, the backlight went completely off but the computer was still running because I could still see the screen faintly but the computer was still frozen. Had to force shut down again, started back up, and went to verify disk again. The same thing repeated minus the backlight and had to force shut down yet again. Started back up, ran repair permissions, and everything seemed to be ok. Yet Spotlight was indexing again as it did after the initial restart.

The computer seems to be running normal now, but I'm wondering with these chain of events, is it possible that this was a bad install? Since the initial force shut down, could that have corrupted anything?

I apologize for being so lengthy, I've just never over the past two years had any issues with the two MacBooks I've owned with updating Leopard.

Recommendations? Any advice would be well appreciated.

 

[Eidorian]

Hoping to find some assistance here so I don't have to call Apple tech support because I'm sure they'll tell me to either restore from my latest TM backup or do a complete reinstall.

I'm running a white MacBook 4,1 (2.4 GHz, 4 GB RAM). Up until now, I've always used software update for dot releases (and I've been doing this since the first 10.5). However, after reading through this thread, I decided to go the combo update route. This is what I did and what occurred thereafter.

Started up in safe boot, verified and repaired permissions - that went fine. Went onto installing the combo update, that went fine. Then problems began to arise with the restart. It hung on the blank desktop for about 15 minutes, and even though I so painfully didn't want to do it, I knew I was going to have to force shut down.

Mac restarted twice, which I was happy about because that's normal with updating dot releases. Went to login, said I was running 10.5.8. To be on the safe side, I verified disk then all of the sudden Disk Utility, Dock, and Finder all beachballed. After a few minutes, the backlight went completely off but the computer was still running because I could still see the screen faintly but the computer was still frozen. Had to force shut down again, started back up, and went to verify disk again. The same thing repeated minus the backlight and had to force shut down yet again. Started back up, ran repair permissions, and everything seemed to ok. Yet Spotlight was indexing again as it did after the initial restart.

The computer seems to be running normal now, but I'm wondering with these chain of events, is it possible that there was a bad install? Since the initial force shut down, could that have corrupted anything?

I apologize for being so lengthy, I've just never over the past two years had any issues with the two MacBooks I've owned with updating Leopard.

Recommendations? Any advice would be well appreciated.

I've always been a bit paranoid about freak occurances during a software update. I've usually done an Archive & Install after them just to make sure.

 

[MagnusVonMagnum]

Whenever Apple releases an OS X update, why does everyone feel the need to post how big their update was? It is clutter!

You're kidding, right? 99% of what fans on here post is fluff and amounts to "Yay! It's like watching my kids grow up!"

It's mind-boggling how little most posts have to do with ANYTHING of any substance what-so-ever. People just have the urge to give their one half of one cent no matter how ridiculous, off-topic or pointless it might be to anyone else trying to read useful comments.

Basically, 10.5.8 amounts to a couple of MINOR MINOR bug fixes and one wonders why they didn't release it ages ago it is of so little value. You never see anything useful like OpenGL updates to make it more modern (Leopard still uses ANCIENT versions of OpenGL and people wonder why Mac games run so darn slow compared to PC games) and you MIGHT get an update in Snow Leopard, but forget about seeing ANY improvements in Leopard EVER. That leaves some people (e.g. PPC users) with out of date crap because Apple will only ever improve features for a PRICE (your upgrade fee) and has left them out of Snow Leopard. Forget about hardware acceleration in Leopard. Everything will be software rendered in this version of the OS forever. Forget about dual-pane finders (that one will never happen even in Snow Leopard because Apple doesn't listen; you'll have to keep opening multiple finder windows to accomplish the most basic copy functions). And once Snow Leopard is released, you can expect no new features at all until the NEXT major version of OS X comes out, even if it's years into the future because once they release the initial OS (no matter how incomplete or buggy), they move the main team to the next OS and leave a few programmers for bug fixes, which is why it takes SO LONG to get those bugs fixed. Apple is hurting for money (yeah right) so they cannot afford to hire more programmers to get things done in a timely fashion.

 

[mattyboi]

Updated.

But bring on Snow leopard!

 

[Droid13]

I spoke too soon...

Installed the update to 10.4.11 and have noticed no difference. Exactly as it should be at this stage...

While it may have nothing to do with the update a subsequent sync with my iPhone ended in a catastrophic OS failure and the end of my MacBook's ability to sync with anything.

The iPhone is fine, but the OS install was dead. Thankfully I had backed up everything this morning before the update, so no data loss.

I did an erase and install - I have never and will never trust partial restores, be they from Time Machine (which I don't have), archives or whatever, unless we're talking about a disk image.

The only problem I have right now is that Software Update is not showing me any updates for Safari - I was taken to 3.0.4 and abandoned... strange... that and a couple of other niggles with Office.

 

[oscarmacca]

Damn it

Installed 10.5.8 ok but now Time Machine has given up.
Displaying "preparing backup" for last 60 minutes.

Restarted iMac and TC with no effect.

 

[OllyW]

Thank you. Couldn't have said it better myself. HLdan is clearly missing the whole NT kernel switch... (i.e. 95/98/ME ≠ NT, 2000, XP, Vista, Win7)

Fixed that for you.