Apple Releases Mac OS X 10.5.8

[PinkyMacGodess]

Downloaded combo update and did it. Well, got to a desktop with no icons and the full dock but nothing works. Non of the icons worked.

I hit the power button and the system went black but then appeared to restart but stayed at the blackish screen with the cursor and would beep if I hit a key. I held down the power button and the system shutdown and then restarted.

I don't know what's going on... Hopefully my system is ok after all this...

Has anyone had this issue?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

Downloaded combo update and did it. Well, got to a desktop with no icons and the full dock but nothing works. Non of the icons worked.

I hit the power button and the system went black but then appeared to restart but stayed at the blackish screen with the cursor and would beep if I hit a key. I held down the power button and the system shutdown and then restarted.

I don't know what's going on... Hopefully my system is ok after all this...

Has anyone had this issue?

What type of Mac do you have? make? model? what software do you have installed (including drivers)?

 

[fehhkk]

Hmmm...

• x86 16-bit - 16-bit DOS and Windows 3.x
• x86 32-bit - 32-bit Win9x, WinNT, Win2K, WinXP, Vista, Win7, Server (Win7 server drops x86 support)
• x64 64-bit - WinXP, Vista, Win7, Server
• IA64 - WinXP, Server
• PowerPC - WinNT up to 4.0
• Alpha - WinNT up to 4.0
• MIPS - WinNT up to 4.0
• SPARC - development, never released
• Clipper - development, never released
• i860 - development, never released

When Win7 ships this fall, supported systems will be

• x86 - Windows 7 (last release to support 32-bit x86)
• x64 - Windows 7, Windows Server 2008 R2 (Win7 Server)
• IA64 - Windows Server 2008 R2

Windows typically supports a system for as long as it is practical - basically until the system is so old that nobody cares anymore. For example, Windows 7 will run on a Pentium II, but since most of the common Pentium II chipsets had a maximum memory support of 384 MiB - it's not supported.

Amusing exercise: Windows 7 Successfully Installed on a Pentium II 266 MHz CPU, 96 MB of RAM and a 4 MB graphics card

__________

By the way, what was the point of bringing up how well Microsoft supports multiple architectures?

That DOS evolution chart is missing stuff. DOS didn't end with 3.1... There was DOS 4.01, and DOS 5 before Windows.

 

[AidenShaw]

Wow, calm down please.

You said

And Microsoft has moved from and to how many architectures?

If you had meant "how many times has Microsoft replaced one architecture with another in their mainstream" you should have said that. Microsoft's done a lot of moving to and from, and that's what I talked about.

Microsoft has made no architecture changes. Their consumer line has been on x86 since god was a teenager.

The consumer line started on 16-bit 8086 systems. It has changed to the 32-bit 80386/80486 and later systems. This was a major architectural change, affecting ISA, memory layout (16-bit segmented vs. 32-bit flat memory) and other system issues.

We're in the middle of the transition from 32-bit x86 to 64-bit x64. Most Windows 7 systems are expected to be x64 installations.

Microsoft has made one major architecture change, and is past the midpoint of the second.

Windows NT 4, primarily sold on x86, Windows 2000, sold only on x86. Windows XP, sold only on x86 in the mainstream OEM vendors. Windows Vista, sold only on x86. Windows 7, sold only on x86. Windows 95/98/98SE/ME were all x86 bound as well.

Quite a few errors here:

• Windows 2000 was sold on x86 and 64-bit IA64.
• Windows XP was sold on x86, x64 and IA64. (You do consider Hewlett-Packard to be a "mainstream OEM vendor", yes?)
• Windows Vista is on x86 and x64 - on the order of half the Vista systems ship with x64
• Windows 7 is x86 and x64 as well. Windows 7 Server is x64 only, and Windows 7 is the last version of Windows to support 32-bit CPUs.

x86 and x64 are not binary compatible - so it's a pretty big deal to make a true x64 system. (Look at the problems Apple is having with supporting true 64-bit across their range of systems.)

The rest of your comment is more or less because your question wasn't well phrased, and I didn't answer the question that you meant to ask.

That DOS evolution chart is missing stuff. DOS didn't end with 3.1... There was DOS 4.01, and DOS 5 before Windows.

The chart is labeled "Microsoft Windows" - it refers to the version of the Windows software, not the version of DOS that ran underneath the 16-bit Windows versions. (Win3.x and earlier were packaged as an application that was installed on the DOS OS. You had both DOS x.x and Win x.x installed on your system. [fehhkk - I assume that you know this, the comment is for other readers])

 

[pprior]

The lowest PPC # I've seen posted anywhere was 17% and that was a suspicious source posted by an INTEL USER! LOL

So, unless someone comes up with better numbers than the ADIUM website/program, I think we can bet we're talking 25% - 33% of the current Mac user base.

My G5's are less obsolete & more powerful than half of the INTEL Mac Minis & were sold by Apple LESS THAN 3 YEARS AGO!

I didn't realize it was that high or that recent ago. I though it had been at least 5 years since switch to intel.

I guess I agree more with you then.

 

[Eidorian]

I didn't realize it was that high or that recent ago. I though it had been at least 5 years since switch to intel.

I guess I agree more with you then.

People still say Late 2005 but neglect the Power Mac G5 and refurbished models of all sorts sold afterward.

I'd still like to hunt down a PowerPC Mac under AppleCare until 2010.

 

[MegaSignal]

That DOS evolution chart is missing stuff. DOS didn't end with 3.1... There was DOS 4.01, and DOS 5 before Windows.

My take on this graphic was that it focused on Windows-based operating systems, not any straight MS-DOS (CPM) systems, as the author of the post has also mentioned. In light of that, you're right; AFAIK MS-DOS started officially at v1.0 and ended at v6.11.

 

[2992]

sleep not working + the BT icon disappeared and the BT not working anymore.
How to get back to 10.5.7?
Edit1: Forgot to mention: the d@m update suppose to FIX existing? BT issues, not to brake the BT.
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Edit2: I've fixed it by deleting the bluetooth.plist and then forced to hard reset the machine. I wish Apple not to send such updates anymore. I've had the same problem with 10.5.7.

 

[HyperZboy]

People still say Late 2005 but neglect the Power Mac G5 and refurbished models of all sorts sold afterward.

That's a good point. And don't forget some people are arguing over INTRODUCTION DATES while I'm referring to DISCONTINUATION DATES.

It's a big distinction. If you're selling something like Leopard or a G5, you're expected to support it for a reasonable length of time.

The last G5 was around 3 years ago to this day.

Leopard was sold to many PowerPC users just over a year ago without them knowing it was going to be a dead end $129 purchase.

That's just not right.​

 

[dopey220]

Sucks, I've been going for a new uptime record on my MBP. Previous record was 37 days, but I had to break it for a system update. Right now I'm at 22 days, and I have to do it again.

 

[Eidorian]

That's a good point. And don't forget some people are arguing over INTRODUCTION DATES while I'm referring to DISCONTINUATION DATES.

It's a big distinction. If you're selling something like Leopard or a G5, you're expected to support it for a reasonable length of time.

The last G5 was around 3 years ago to this day.

Leopard was sold to many PowerPC users just over a year ago without them knowing it was going to be a dead end $129 purchase.

That's just not right.​

I remember Jobs mentioning more PowerPC based products in the pipeline at WWDC 2006.

It was just a rush to shove the Core Duo into everything possible as soon as possible. If you travel back to MacRumors at that point I remember myself and others on Page 1 going on and on about the 32-bit Yonah and why Apple should have gone with Conroe/Merom.

 

[uanuglyfool]

Sucks, I've been going for a new uptime record on my MBP. Previous record was 37 days, but I had to break it for a system update. Right now I'm at 22 days, and I have to do it again.

Is it ok to leave it on that long? Do you have it connected to a display or just sitting on a desk or something? Also do you have the battery plugged in all the time? LOL You got me curious

 

[visitronix]

Firewire 400 port goes to sleep and won't wake up!

This update caused my firewire port to go to sleep in the middle of a recording session on my Early 2008 black MacBook 2.4 Ghz.

MOTU Ultralite mk3 - NOT RECOGNIZED
Apogee Duet - NOT RECOGNIZED
Firewire Hard Drive - NOT RECOGNIZED

Before this update, I had no problems with my firewire port or firewire devices.

The only way to reset this is to either restart the 'puter and/or reset the PRAM.

Poo-Poo on this update!

 

[HyperZboy]

I remember Jobs mentioning more PowerPC based products in the pipeline at WWDC 2006.

It was just a rush to shove the Core Duo into everything possible as soon as possible. If you travel back to MacRumors at that point I remember myself and others on Page 1 going on and on about the 32-bit Yonah and why Apple should have gone with Conroe/Merom.

BINGO!​

You just touched on something I'd forgotten...

Steve Jobs cranked up the Reality Distortion Field to epic proportions when announcing that Apple was switching to INTEL because Apple needed to keep those PowerPC sales going strong since the switch was many months away from being completed.

And Steve Jobs made lots of false promises in hindsight to keep those PPC sales going.

On the software side, outside of MacOS X, Jobs kept most of his promises.

But, with Snow Leopard, Jobs clearly pulled a classic Lucy/Charlie Brown football play.

Anyone who owns expensive PowerMac G5s understands my gripe.

10.5.8 is NOT the final BUG FIX for Leopard.

Snow Leopard is, but 20-33% of Mac users will never get those bug fixes.

 

[Ericatomars]

Update

I've noticed that since the update my airport express has been running kinda crappy... And no features.. this stinks

 

[Spike Lightfoot]

10.5.8 is NOT the final BUG FIX for Leopard.

Snow Leopard is, but 20-33% of Mac users will never get those bug fixes.

OK, got your point. Are we done now?

 

[therealkaizoku]

Bluetooth is working much better (i.e. it actually works now) for me when tethering with my BB Tour. Didn't work yesterday on 10.5.7...

On the other hand, my 13" MBP isn't waking from sleep properly, I get no response and have to do a hard reboot.

Oh well, the BT is more important to me anyway and I have my $10 Snow Leopard pre-order in.

 

[jpefjr]

Snow Leopard is, but 20-33% of Mac users will never get those bug fixes.

Never? I doubt that all of those 20-33% of PPC Mac users will eventually get an Intel Mac but my guess is many/most of them will. And when they do they can get Snow Leopard.

By the way, how long does Apple have to support PPC for it to be "OK"? Just wondering - 5 years, 10 years, 15 years???

 

[JFreak]

To me, I think ongoing support for an obsolete system is too much to ask past this point. Intel code should be optimized and resources martialed to that end, PPC is over, that's a simple fact.

Yes. Too bad MS thinks the other way, they have accepted that code should be let to suffer as long as you maintain backwards compatibility. Then again, Windows has always run on Intel (NT was initially multi-platform) so they have had the easy way whereas Apple has gone Motorola-->PowerPC-->Intel so they know how to do it and when to drop support.

That said, I would also have liked to see one more OS for the trusty old PPC.

 

[bed]

BINGO!​

10.5.8 is NOT the final BUG FIX for Leopard.

Snow Leopard is, but 20-33% of Mac users will never get those bug fixes.

What Leopard bugs are fixed in Snow Leopard?

Snow Leopard is bringing new software APIs. These are not bug fixes.

 

[Dry Rot]

Leopard was sold to many PowerPC users just over a year ago without them knowing it was going to be a dead end $129 purchase.

That's just not right.​

Why a "dead end purchase"? You'll still get Leopard ungrades. Hardly dead end.

IIRC most of the changes in SL are under the bonnet and make use of dual cores etc

And before you call me an Intel snob, I've had old Macs off the mark for years till now. My recently retired G4 Quicksilver's processor was too slow for Leopard, so it ran quite happily on Tiger. I accepted that.

This was always going to happen - whether it's with Snow Leopard or Puma (or whatever the next one is called).

 

[rtjstevens]

Some problems with latest combo upgrade with G5 iMac

Normally I don't have problems but two have manifested since the update:
1. iPhoto refused to load. I had to find the iphoto library, force it to open one picture and then work backwards from there; seems OK now.
2. Airport keeps dropping out; sometimes it refuses to recognise any of the local networks (it's just done it now since I've been typing this). Slowly it seems to return of its own volition.
Anyone else have these problems?

BW

RTJ (UK)

 

[JFreak]

iPhoto refused to load. I had to find the iphoto library, force it to open one picture and then work backwards from there; seems OK now.

Working here, no problems.

Airport keeps dropping out; sometimes it refuses to recognise any of the local networks (it's just done it now since I've been typing this).

Working here, no problems.

 

[Bluznis]

I also have wifi problems. I connect to internet with 3G modem then share my internet connection with other Macs using Sharing option found in System preferences. I also use WEP 128 encryption. With encryption enabled my wifi speed was ~1 MB/s and signal was weak, so I disabled encryption and now I get ~10 MB/s and signal is strong. Could someone check to confirm?

 

[macintoshtoffy]

I also have wifi problems. I connect to internet with 3G modem then share my internet connection with other Macs using Sharing option found in System preferences. I also use WEP 128 encryption. With encryption enabled my wifi speed was ~1 MB/s and signal was weak, so I disabled encryption and now I get ~10 MB/s and signal is strong. Could someone check to confirm?

Have you repaired the permissions and reboot as suggested numerous of times through this thread?