Maybe 20 to 33% of Mac user have at least one PPC Mac somewhere, but if you refer to those who use PPC Mac as primary machine there is no chance that 1/5 or 1/3 of install base is PPC. No way. 1/10 maybe. And if we take Power Mac it's <1%.
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Maybe 20 to 33% of Mac user have at least one PPC Mac somewhere, but if you refer to those who use PPC Mac as primary machine there is no chance that 1/5 or 1/3 of install base is PPC. No way. 1/10 maybe. And if we take Power Mac it's <1%.
How about if Apple just sits on Snow leopard till all the PPC chips are old enough? Pull everyone DOWN to the same level. If you don't like leopard, go back to tiger. But you know what, they aren't going to add things to tiger either. Dear God, everyone is entitled to the latestest and greatest of everything. When you unpack that computer, it's outdated. You drive the new car home, it's outdated. In the end, it will keep working. If it works today, it will keep working tomorrow. Did you buy it FOR snow leopard? If you did, that was kinda dumb. I have a core duo macbook that will probably stay leopard and a core 2 duo mini that I will probably upgrade to snow leopard.
All this typing sitting next to a server running SunOS 4.something filled with 32 8G scsi drives.
MBP updated.
Speed 6.3 when connected to the power supply.
Speed 0.1 when on battery!
Have reset permissions, reinstalled in safe mode from the combi, zapped the p-ram ... no joy.
Lots of similar problems listed here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2106689&start=0&tstart=0
Speed 6.3 when connected to the power supply.
Speed 0.1 when on battery!
Have reset permissions, reinstalled in safe mode from the combi, zapped the p-ram ... no joy.
Lots of similar problems listed here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2106689&start=0&tstart=0
Actually my main machine is a 12" PowerBook G4 (wonderful), I also have an Intel iMac but I'm rarely at home so it's relegated to iPlayer duty for the other half. Like you, I've used Macs for decades. Unlike you, I don't believe that doing something for a long time in any way makes me right - it simply means I've done something for a long time.
No you haven't, you haven't at all. You come up with spurious numbers from the top of your head - a third this, 20% that, economics whatnot. All your 'arguments' are heavily biased, one-sided and short sighted. You've cited nothing to back them up except your loud voice.
None of this bothers me though, there's thousands of posts from others like this. What bothers me is that you constantly derail threads going on and on about the same stuff. You abuse the site formatting to gain attention (although to be fair you didn't in the past post) and are highly argumentative in tone - I can't count how many times your posts to others have started with 'WRONG' etc., one I remember you quoting someone and had the ordacity to put bold and centered 'You're still wrong'. What makes you the higher authority? What gives you the right to be so rude?
Why not? That's your tactic...It's not a discussion with you, it's a tirade that won't end until everyone agrees with your viewpoint. You said yourself, you've "disputed all of the arguments". When people reply with logical, structured responses you ignore them or rattle on about the same stuff, never directly addressing their points. It's forum spam.
edit: Just read back, and someone has posted in reply to you "OK, got your point. Are we done now?". Exactly my point - you just crack on until people give up with you. You haven't convinced them, you've exasperated them. The problem with that style of 'discussion' though is that you're pushing people further into their respective camps, you're not drawing them into yours. So you're hurting the cause you're championing.
Melodramatic. I said 'I'm amazed you haven't been banned', you've interpreted as me campaigning for you to be banned. Completely different. I don't want you banned, I want you to behave and discuss like an adult. If you can't, then the reason you could be banned isn't your viewpoints, it's the childish and bully-like way you put them forward, along with you destroying otherwise good conversations - this thread is about the 10.5.8 update - what are you talking about?
AppleMatt
just updated to 10.5.8 and i have a small problem as you can see in the pictures below… literally the first problem i have ever had from an OS X update!
anyone know how to fix this? ive tried clearing System Preferences' cache and yes i have installed the Archives preference pane before.
anyone know how to fix this? ive tried clearing System Preferences' cache and yes i have installed the Archives preference pane before.
MBP updated.
Speed 6.3 when connected to the power supply.
Speed 0.1 when on battery!
Have reset permissions, reinstalled in safe mode from the combi, zapped the p-ram ... no joy.
Lots of similar problems listed here:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2106689&start=0&tstart=0
That thread is a scary read. I'm deferring updating my MBP until it's resolved!
The fact is, it's difficult to predict wether or not an update can cause problems.
Some people just have no problems at all, like me (10.5-10.5.8 without any problems).
Some people need to repair permissions before and after in order not to have problems.
Some people seem to have problems anyway.
It's really unpredictable...and it's the same thing with every update.
My recommendation is to download the combo update, repair permissions, install and eventually repair permissions again.
Have tried that without luck. No power cable = no wirelsss network worth speaking of.
If I start a speed test with the power plugged in and then pull the cable out half way through, the speed drops instantly from over 6.2 to 0.1/0.2.
I never had a problem with updating until now...
While it probably is a freak random occurrence (plus the fault did force me to do a full reinstall of everything, leaving me with a system that just seems better) I would be interested in knowing what exactly was modified by this update to 10.4.11 - I am not a software engineer and do not fully understand the note from Apple's website (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3757), having never heard of half the applications.
Is there a plain English explanation out there? I would like the detail, but I would also appreciate knowing what the heck bzip2 does, for example...
While it probably is a freak random occurrence (plus the fault did force me to do a full reinstall of everything, leaving me with a system that just seems better) I would be interested in knowing what exactly was modified by this update to 10.4.11 - I am not a software engineer and do not fully understand the note from Apple's website (http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3757), having never heard of half the applications.
Is there a plain English explanation out there? I would like the detail, but I would also appreciate knowing what the heck bzip2 does, for example...
Well, you're definitely wrong there.
Someone posted current stats from the ADIUM website which determined how many Intel and PPC users were using the program, and they came up with 17% current PPC usage. Assuming that mainly refers to people's main Mac, that would put the PPC user base above 20% total at least since almost all older part-time use Macs would most likely be a PPC Mac. I for instance have an Intel Mac, but still use quite a few PPC Macs as well.
I'm not claiming Adium is the perfect source for the PPC %, but since it seems to be the only one out there and represents somewhat of a cross-section of Mac users, what else is there to go on? I personally think the PPC user base is somewhere slightly above 25%, but of course dropping.
I'm sure there are other programs out there like AIM or Apple's iChat that could probably provide more accurate numbers, but its unlikely we'll ever get numbers from sources like AOL, Yahoo, MSN, or Google, and definitely not from Apple.
Steve Jobs would sooner have you believe there are NO PPC users out there.
Pointing out all of the incorrect statements posted here about Snow Leopard and why it can't or shouldn't be released for PowerPC is NOT being rude. It's just stating facts.
Pointing out all the reasons why 10.5.8 for PowerPC does not give PowerPC users the same BUG FIXES as Snow Leopard is NOT being rude. It's just stating facts.
Pointing out that Apple is abandoning a large part of its user base is NOT being rude. It's just stating a fact.
If disagreeing with you makes me rude, well then that's not MY problem.
There is no chance of convincing the Intel faithful that Snow Leopard should be released for PowerPC, so that was never my intention nor would it be possible and I'm sure 75% of the people reading my posts are probably annoyed. Big deal.
I think my points are quite clear and concise to the 25% PowerPC people out there and some of them have expressed their opinions too. Obviously we are clearly outnumbered, but that doesn't mean our voice shouldn't be heard.
Sometimes, a positive outcome happens from expressing your opinion on websites like this. Look what happened when Apple drastically dropped the price of the iPhone. Do you think Apple would have given us all $100 back if people like me weren't ranting endlessly on this website and others about being screwed over by Apple?
I think not.
Someone posted 17% about a month or so ago.
I'll have to look for a link. I assume the # fluctuates daily?
And of course these are not really the best sources for the data (I don't even know what Omni is).
I think that's kind of obvious. If only Google or Yahoo or AOL released info, we'd have more realistic numbers. I don't know anyone who uses Omniweb (I had to click on the link to figure out what Omni meant. LOL)
The vast majority of Mac users don't even know what Adium is either and those who do would be the geeky tech types like us who tend to have more updated Intel equipment.
I think that's a no-brainer. I don't think any of those numbers are very accurate for obvious reasons, so few people use those programs and the people who do would be advanced users and tech types.
Keep in mind, I have an Intel Mac too, but I also have lots of PowerPC equipment still that I'd like to see supported for another year or so.
Unfortunately that's a bad analogy. You can't compare a price drop to a re-write of code. It's easy for Apple to just drop the price out of public demand. To re-write code so PowerPC users can enjoy SL is just out of the question. Besides, it shouldn't happen anyway, it's ridiculous for Apple to now step backwards to make the PPC crowd happy. Customers have to move on with new technology, the companies shouldn't hold back because of your rants. It doesn't matter if it's technologically possible to make SL for PPC users or UB, it's just not gonna happen, period. You'll have to deal with it.
Two separate sources put the PPC number at ~11% yet you claim the actual number is 25%.
Actually 13% and 2 months ago
Yes the number is probably not 100% accurate however it is better than the large assumptions you make.
Omni group is a lot more than Omniweb and has been around for a long time making software for the mac.
The % of PPC computers in use is decreasing daily. I am sure Apple knows the data and percentages quite well as they know how many were sold initially and then the number of updates/hits to their servers etc. etc.
You can't simply ignore the facts based purely on your own feelings.
Which is it? When the made up number is high it supports your arguements but when presented with the true number which disagrees with you it is not a good cross section.
I'm not arguing for apple to drop support for PPC users, I am merely stating the facts and it is after all these facts that apple use in their decision making. It would be great if apple continued updates for the PPC platform but they decided in order to progress forward to stop major OS updates for that platform. Apple still gives out security updates for Tiger which was replaced by Leopard some 1 3/4 years ago. Leopard will likely get the same treatment and will possibly get 1 or 2 more 10.5.x updates.
Actually 13% and 2 months ago
Yes the number is probably not 100% accurate however it is better than the large assumptions you make.
Omni group is a lot more than Omniweb and has been around for a long time making software for the mac.
The % of PPC computers in use is decreasing daily. I am sure Apple knows the data and percentages quite well as they know how many were sold initially and then the number of updates/hits to their servers etc. etc.
You can't simply ignore the facts based purely on your own feelings.
Which is it? When the made up number is high it supports your arguements but when presented with the true number which disagrees with you it is not a good cross section.
I'm not arguing for apple to drop support for PPC users, I am merely stating the facts and it is after all these facts that apple use in their decision making. It would be great if apple continued updates for the PPC platform but they decided in order to progress forward to stop major OS updates for that platform. Apple still gives out security updates for Tiger which was replaced by Leopard some 1 3/4 years ago. Leopard will likely get the same treatment and will possibly get 1 or 2 more 10.5.x updates.
Brilliant! Well done again in not at all addressing the points raised in a reply to you, and instead taking the wrong end of the stick and running as fast as you can.
I said you were rude for quoting someone and then, in bold and centered formatting, saying 'You're wrong'. That's rude, and it is your problem. I made it clear I don't really care about your point (because of the way you’re berating others), I care about how your obnoxiousness is destroying conversations I'm interested in; even after I pointed this out you started yet another post with "Well you’re definitely wrong there."
Take this thread for example; people chatting about their experience with the 10.5.8 update, links to problems they've encountered etc. But it's littered with crap because you are unhappy with Apple. Hundreds of people want to talk about 10.5.8, but they're forced into reading your personal vendetta about an unconnected topic. I don't care if you're unhappy with them, go and start a thread and whine all you want about it. Then it can be you you you all the way, and you'll be happy because everyone will agree with you (which, ultimately, is what you want - people to suddenly become enlightened).
People come here in their free time, to relax and chat about their hobbies. If people berate them, keep going on and on, are rude and oppositional then they'll find something better to do with their free time. That directly affects me, because they might otherwise have said something interesting or useful to me. So not only do I have to read your rubbish, I lose out by not reading their quality posts.
You brought up this 'battle' thing again, and being outnumbered. You feel like that not because of the points you're making, it's the way you're doing it. Loads of people aren't happy with SL being Intel only - I'd like my PowerBook to support it - they're not getting multitudes of replies because they're expressing their opinions intelligently, reasonably and most importantly of all they are prepared to listen to the opposing argument.
At least you admitted you're endlessly ranting. Now if only Steve Jobs would listen to an endless ranter...
AppleMatt
I think we've all heard the points from both sides more than enough times. Could you please stop arguing? The PPC users want one more major OS release. I do too, but we only need to hear it once. The Intel users want Apple to move on. Again, we don't need to hear it more than once. There is no way to win this argument. The subject is 10.5.8, not Snow Leopard.
As for Airport: I actually went from 3320 kbps to 3350 kbps downstream on batteries. For the most part, 10.5.8 seems to have helped out my network, if only a little bit.
As for Airport: I actually went from 3320 kbps to 3350 kbps downstream on batteries. For the most part, 10.5.8 seems to have helped out my network, if only a little bit.