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I personally think DVD players have gone the way of floppy disks and dinosaurs. Anything that required a DVD player a few years ago can be downloaded directly. Even OS updates can be downloaded. Perhaps some people have old movies or music on DVDs and Blu-Ray discs, but eventually those will deteriorate just like all the other long deceased media formats. No one seems to complain these days that the VCRs are basically extinct, though you can still find them for sale occasionally. They moved on and bought the next latest media format for their data files. Time to move on from DVD and Blu-Ray, at least as far as computers go. I think if Apple dropped support for them, most of us would not even notice.

Yes, but Apple has a choice to make here: either port DVD Player to work with 64-bit, or remove the application altogether.
 
Apple says macOS High Sierra is the last version of macOS that will support 32-bit apps "without compromises."
What has become more and more compromised with the years is the ideas which made Apple great. Mainly because they don't trust in making great products anymore, but in getting income from "services". And "services" is an euphemism for "getting money from personal and private data, and getting money from the access to data that used to be freely available and safe, with total privacy, in the local hard disk of the users".

In this move from great products to "services" (cough) of course limiting and controlling features is required. MacOS is too powerful for getting good income from "services" (remember that MacOS is an evolution of NeXTSTEP, one of the best OSs ever for software development, which in turns means "too powerful" --anything that is great for development, is necessarily "too powerful" from a "services" businessman point of view).

So, no wonder they are limiting 32 bits apps now (which, BTW, is a free feature inherited by the "fat binaries" technology that we are using in MacOS since the days of NeXTSTEP), just like they will limit every MacOS current features until it comes the day when you won't be able to do anything in MacOS if Apple servers are switched off. Their dream in this moment is that you turn MacOS on, and the things you can do and the data you can access depend exclusively on your iCloud payment.

So, well, maybe High Sierra is the last version that will support 32-bit apps "without compromises", but we need to travel back in time (to approximately the days where iOS was decided to be the future) to find an OS X release that had no "feature compromises". That OS X release, without the move in focus from "user power" to "services" would perhaps be Snow Leopard, although in those years bad things were already starting, in the form of the iTunes design ("it's not your music in your disks, it's access to our shop").
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At who? Apple for requiring 64bit, or to the lazy developer who hasn't updated yet?
I'm still using some 32 bit apps (like the old version of the Vox player -the version that doesn't require using their online music shop), but my interest is not using 32 bit apps, but, as a developer, being able to test that my code works well when compiled both in 64 bit and in 32 bit mode.

Dropping 32 bit support, together with not supporting Vulkan, and with a bare minimum support to OpenCL, as well as no support for Nvidia, all of this together make me affirm that the days of MacOS being my main OS are over. Maybe I'll continue using it as a secondary OS, just for testing my applications (which will be from now on cross-compiled, as I don't consider MacOS as a powerful development platform anymore), but for sure it won't be my main OS.
 
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So, no wonder they are limiting 32 bits apps now (which, BTW, is a free feature inherited by the "fat binaries" technology that we are using in MacOS since the days of NeXTSTEP),

No it isn’t free, and macOS has fat binaries before the NeXT days (cf. 68k to PPC). If it were free, they’d also have kept PowerPC binaries, SPARC binaries, MIPS binaries, and now offer ARM binaries.

Any architecture adds complexity, and complexity means ongoing maintenance cost. Given the diminishing benefits of keeping x86-32 around, that cost eventually becomes hard to justify.
 
That MacBook is slower than an iPhone, you shouldn't expect good performance and shouldn't install new OS right from the start. Now should be a good time to update.

[Citation needed] I guess you tried editing 5K video on that Macbook. I use it everyday for light work such as web browsing, sending emails and using remote desktop. After year, battery life is superb, extremely light laptop and fast as hell.

Needless to say, I could upgrade to a MB pro, but I don't want fan noise. My computer is completely silent, literally.
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Also if you have multiple accounts on a site it's nice to be able to choose which one rather than have one filled in and have to clear the field to choose the other one.

I can do that without the update.
 
Black Screen after Update on my MacBook Pro 2016... :-/

Update: Did a forced restart after 15 minutes of black screen... now it tells me it will take 15 minutes to finish the installation

Update 2:
macOS started and reopened all apps while I had a blank window with spinning gear on top of it... after like 2 minutes the Mac asked me for my password again... then Apple wanted to know if I want to share system information with them...

Come on Apple...

Update 3:
The AppStore is back with the "hey let's install 10.13.4 since although I went through all the steps above, I'm back on 10.13.3...

Let's not try this again
You broke it for yourself. Oh well you have an another go
 
No it isn’t free, and macOS has fat binaries before the NeXT days (cf. 68k to PPC). If it were free, they’d also have kept PowerPC binaries, SPARC binaries, MIPS binaries, and now offer ARM binaries.

Any architecture adds complexity, and complexity means ongoing maintenance cost. Given the diminishing benefits of keeping x86-32 around, that cost eventually becomes hard to justify.
32 bit x86 has an almost zero maintenance cost if your source code doesn’t hardcode type sizes, which I guess Apple has been doing for decades now. Dropping 32 bit kernels can have a justification, because kernels need assembly. But dropping compilation of frameworks in 32 bit is just absurd and nonsense.
 
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32 bit x86 has an almost zero maintenance cost if your source code doesn’t hardcode type sizes, which I guess Apple has been doing for decades now. Dropping 32 bit kernels can have a justification, because kernels need assembly. But dropping compilation of frameworks in 32 bit is just absurd and nonsense.

Cool. So you’re saying Apple is doing it out of spite. Did they also never backport Obj-C 2.0 runtime improvements to 32-bit out of spite?

Or could it be that Apple’s engineers know better than you do how much work it is to keep maintaining an old codebase? You’re talking about the overhead for a typical high-level application. They have to maintain it all the way down to the kernel.
 
I do. I use Firefox with the bookmark toolbar and it syncs across my devices. It's an efficient and effective way to maintain links. I see no reason to change at this time.

What benefit would the DVD Player app have by migrating to 64-bit?

It is not necessarily benefits that we are looking for, but some of us desire for the DVD player to still work after the update. I hope they update it to work natively with High Sierra and beyond.
 
It is not necessarily benefits that we are looking for, but some of us desire for the DVD player to still work after the update. I hope they update it to work natively with High Sierra and beyond.
I’m surprised anyone uses it, with so many streaming options and 4K craziness.
 
It's getting seriously annoying having to constantly decrease the window size (height) after opening Safari 2-3 times. :mad:Tried to delete all preferences, settings, cache etc related to Safari but that didn't help either.

I found a piece of AppleScript on the web that resizes (and repositions) Safari windows, but that would need to be run every time a Safari window is opened, so not a good solution either. Or could that be automated somehow?

Thinking about reverting to 10.13.3.

Stick out 10.13.4 with the rest of us dumbasses
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Still no APFS for Fusion drives.
The fusion confusion is no illusion
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With every update HS my El Capitan installation works better and better.

Please upgrade to super duper high Sierra and taste the coolaid ...
 
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I’m surprised anyone uses it, with so many streaming options and 4K craziness.

Some don’t like streaming and 4K is over rated. Nice, but not totally necessary.

Seeing someone’s sweat pours or a bad makeup job on the screen does not thrill me.. ;)
 
Fresh Install with 10.13.4 on iMac 13,2 without SSD, only normal Harddisk, AFPS is not possible for the volume ... the installer only installs on a hfs+ volume
 
It's 2018 and I still can't search mounted network drives which is critical for my work. I have to use a PC to do any searches.
 
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Some don’t like streaming and 4K is over rated. Nice, but not totally necessary.

Seeing someone’s sweat pours or a bad makeup job on the screen does not thrill me.. ;)
For those people, are they really watching this on a Mac these days? I would think they would watch it on their TV but that’s me.

I think Apple will let it die. It’s no longer inline with their service offerings and there are alternatives. It’s simply a waste of their time.
 
Finally fixes a bug in Safari since the release of High Sierra, which infuriated me. If pinched to zoom on some content, it acts wonky with the selection cursor (like when scrubbing videos on YouTube or other sites) and when reaching the bottom of the page on sites that load more content as you scroll. Yayyy, happy.
 
DisaplyLink have posted an update that just says they have released a new beta driver but this does not return the extended display functionality and they are working still on returning "Some" functionality. Sounds like display link boxes will never get back to the level that they had before this update. Sounds like chalk one up for a dead product.
 
For those people, are they really watching this on a Mac these days? I would think they would watch it on their TV but that’s me.

I think Apple will let it die. It’s no longer inline with their service offerings and there are alternatives. It’s simply a waste of their time.

I do...but some might go HDMI out of their Macs to their TV and use the DVD player to play their media. I actually still use the DVD player and like it over some of the other apps/options when viewing on my Mac.
 
DisaplyLink have posted an update that just says they have released a new beta driver but this does not return the extended display functionality and they are working still on returning "Some" functionality. Sounds like display link boxes will never get back to the level that they had before this update. Sounds like chalk one up for a dead product.

The update has been out for five weekdays and you're already making assumptions about something that will "never" happen?
 
I also see that some animations in OSX are broken (like taking a youtube video into fullscreen), at least with my iMac Pro. What is going on with Apple these days? The lack of quality control is really obvious.
 
Updated to 10.13.4 and my external screen with extended display quit working. Asus Zenscreen MB16C portable display. The displaylink website says they're aware of the issue and working for a solution. They have a beta driver to enable clone display, but nothing for extended desktop.

Really puts a hamper on my business since I use the extended display for trade shows to run a looping slideshow.

**EDIT

Luckily I was able to revert back to 10.13.1 using Time Machine and the display works again. I'll hang out on 10.13.1 until there's a fix from Displaylink.
 
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After 3 months my employer stopped supporting Macs as a result of the DisplayLink issue. I've purchased my 1 yr old machine for home. I bought an Elgato dock to get at least 2 external screens. For work I'm now on a windows machine. While I still don't enjoy windows it at least works with all the displaylink docks in the company and means i don't need to travel with docks and power supplies which would be required with the Mac. It was bad enough to have to have dongles to get USB-C to USB-A but a dock and power supply as well is too much to carry all the time. So my issues have all been fixed now. And my Windows machine has USB-C and works with the Elgato dock so working from home I at least get to share the peripherals.
 
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