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Sonoma on my intel and Apple Silicon Macs has been pretty amazing since release... I guess it depends on what software you use with it etc... I guess that way peoples experiences differ..

For the core OS and its functions I haven't had anything major at all... nothing that prevents me doing what I do.
I was about to post the same until I realised that after upgrading to 14.4 from 14.3.1, my Touch ID no longer works when my external monitor is plugged into the HDMI port. 🤬
 
Sheesh folks, get a grip. ENOUGH with the emoji bitching. Its been explained way too many times that this 1) isn't how standards work -apple isn't creating these, just adding them as approved, and 2) certainly do NOT have folks pulled off systems development teams to do this.

Out of 13 comments so far.. EIGHT (?!) have been about whatever deal you have with emojis pushing your buttons or something. take a break please. please. seriously. not funny anymore.

I'm guessing most of us would much rather read actual feedback and comments about the system changes... I'm especially interested in photos, music & the changes in the printing system.

Music (doesn't seem to have much in terms of changes here, still have an issue with importing mp3s to a new playlist and having them disappear until i do it a 2nd time, then its fine)

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Yes, every time an emoji is mentioned in a story here, a bunch of folks trot out the old "how very dare Apple have all of their best engineers spend their time drawing new emojis rather than making other things better" type comments. It's almost as tired as the "you're holding it wrong" comments, and "Steve would never have done it this way."

As for Music, I'm having the same issue you are. I'll import to a playlist (can be an existing playlist or a new one) and then click away to another playlist. When I go back, the new imports are gone. I have to go back to "just added" and re-drag them to the playlist.

I know Apple wants us to subscribe to their streaming Music service, but for those of us who want to play music that we've bought from playlists that we've made, the user experience has been getting worse and worse.
 
Yes, every time an emoji is mentioned in a story here, a bunch of folks trot out the old "how very dare Apple have all of their best engineers spend their time drawing new emojis rather than making other things better" type comments. It's almost as tired as the "you're holding it wrong" comments, and "Steve would never have done it this way."

As for Music, I'm having the same issue you are. I'll import to a playlist (can be an existing playlist or a new one) and then click away to another playlist. When I go back, the new imports are gone. I have to go back to "just added" and re-drag them to the playlist.

I know Apple wants us to subscribe to their streaming Music service, but for those of us who want to play music that we've bought from playlists that we've made, the user experience has been getting worse and worse.
Part of the issue is that macOS really hasn't gone anywhere "magical" in quite a while. Emoji's aren't as important as fixing all the current open zero day vulnerabilities Apple has ignored for going on 3 months.
 
All devices need to conform to unicode standards which is what emoji are part of, otherwise you get seriously nasty bugs and potential crashes. This isn't just an Apple thing it's for every modern OS.
That’s not really how Unicode works. The range of potential code points that can be used is already defined, as is their encoding. It could support up to around 1.1 million characters. Out of these, only around 150 000 are used so far.

So when new characters get added, you’ll need to update your fonts if you want to display them, but you don’t need to change how you handle the actual data.

If your font cannot display a certain character, you just show a so called .notdef character. This is often an empty rectangle (also called a “tofu”).

Missing characters should not be a cause for bugs or crashes. If they are, your Unicode implementation is messed up (badly).
 
Part of the issue is that macOS really hasn't gone anywhere "magical" in quite a while. Emoji's aren't as important as fixing all the current open zero day vulnerabilities Apple has ignored for going on 3 months.
I'd way rather see some quality-of-life improvements than all this trivial crap they focus on.

Proper full window snapping and better window management, file manager that isn't so janky, ability to disable scrollwheel acceleration, per-app volume control, improved resolution scaling, bug fixes, etc...
 
Sonoma is a bug filled piece of junk in my usages of it

I think some are more tolerant of all the niggles and issues than I am
I've had a good experience, especially coming from Monterey and Catalina on my other machine.

Besides, compared to Windows, even the bad versions of macOS are more stable.
 
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Sheesh folks, get a grip. ENOUGH with the emoji bitching. Its been explained way too many times that this 1) isn't how standards work -apple isn't creating these, just adding them as approved, and 2) certainly do NOT have folks pulled off systems development teams to do this.

Out of 13 comments so far.. EIGHT (?!) have been about whatever deal you have with emojis pushing your buttons or something. take a break please. please. seriously. not funny anymore.
it would certainly help if MR would phrase the availability of new emojis differently, eg, "Apple added these emojis that were approved by (name of emoji body) on such date" or something like that.
maybe a consideration for @jclo?
 
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That’s not really how Unicode works. The range of potential code points that can be used is already defined, as is their encoding. It could support up to around 1.1 million characters. Out of these, only around 150 000 are used so far.

So when new characters get added, you’ll need to update your fonts if you want to display them, but you don’t need to change how you handle the actual data.

If your font cannot display a certain character, you just show a so called .notdef character. This is often an empty rectangle (also called a “tofu”).

Missing characters should not be a cause for bugs or crashes. If they are, your Unicode implementation is messed up (badly).
Well, I'm thankful for Unicode. Those of us who use Japanese, Chinese, or Korean needed a better way and Unicode is helpful.
 
I'm guessing most of us would much rather read actual feedback and comments about the system changes... I'm especially interested in photos, music & the changes in the printing system.

Music (doesn't seem to have much in terms of changes here, still have an issue with importing mp3s to a new playlist and having them disappear until i do it a 2nd time, then its fine)
Some possibilities for MacOS 14.5. Yes Apple Music didn't have much changes
  • Importing other Music services playlists into Apple Music.
  • Apple Music Widget
  • Apple Classical Application
 
Totally, completely, disagree
…but of course’s respect your opinion and experiences, always 👍
I'm not saying that you haven't had a bad experience. I'm only saying that I have had good experiences.

Windows 10 update 1709 ate all of my data. I had to start from scratch. At that time, people were complaining about how bad Catalina was, but it was stable for me. I waited for Sonoma because Ventura looked so dangerous.

It's so weird having all these names of places I've visited. It was better when they were all cats.
 
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Part of the issue is that macOS really hasn't gone anywhere "magical" in quite a while. Emoji's aren't as important as fixing all the current open zero day vulnerabilities Apple has ignored for going on 3 months.
And this is a perfect example of what I'm saying. Emojis and bug fixes are different topics, so conflating them with an either-or approach is a fallacy.

Emojis are dictated by the unicode consortium, as has been mentioned previously. If Apple does not update their code to recognize them, that leads to a bad user experience and incompatibility with other OSes while doing basic communicating across devices and platforms. If Apple hadn't kept pace with the latest unicode consortium release, MR would be filled with whines about how iOS is terrible, because Android had a thing that the iPhones don't and now we look like we were raised in a barn.

Also there are other updates, security patches and bug fixes. If the fixes you are interested in haven't been addressed yet, then maybe those will be in a pending update. But the absence of those fixes and your perceived lack of "magic" in the OS has nothing to do with the presence of a unicode update that includes the latest round of emojis.
 
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Sheesh folks, get a grip. ENOUGH with the emoji bitching. Its been explained way too many times that this 1) isn't how standards work -apple isn't creating these, just adding them as approved, and 2) certainly do NOT have folks pulled off systems development teams to do this.

Out of 13 comments so far.. EIGHT (?!) have been about whatever deal you have with emojis pushing your buttons or something. take a break please. please. seriously. not funny anymore.

I'm guessing most of us would much rather read actual feedback and comments about the system changes... I'm especially interested in photos, music & the changes in the printing system.

Music (doesn't seem to have much in terms of changes here, still have an issue with importing mp3s to a new playlist and having them disappear until i do it a 2nd time, then its fine)

Photos - would love a way to search for unnamed faces, but found a nice script that helps with that finally. Recognition seems better all the time though of faces and objects. I did notice for the first time that when browsing the photos you get a little 'i' for 'info', normally the photo meta details, place and so on. and if the app finds something of interest in the photo it adds a pulsing star to the icon. for me, a cat picture when i clicked that, not only did it pull up info about cats, but correctly identfied the breed of my cat!
I just wish they'd fix my album art after they messed it up.

Gone are the days when there were 12 pages of posts on the Eggplant emoji. 😆
 
Well, I'm thankful for Unicode. Those of us who use Japanese, Chinese, or Korean needed a better way and Unicode is helpful.
My post was not against Unicode, quite the contrary. I'm just saying that Unicode being extended with new characters like Emojis does not require any "in depth" changes in operating systems. By supporting Unicode, they are already prepared to handle the whole of the 1.1 million characters that Unicode could implement eventually.

The only thing that needs changing is fonts. But again, if those are not updated, they will simply display a rectangle for characters they don't "know". Nothing will break or crash (if implemented properly).
 
Reminders is working on my Mac for the first time since I updated to Sonoma. Nice! 👍

Think about that for a second…half way through until the next version comes out, and we start all over with bugs …

…and reminders is finally working for you

Reminders
A feature which was basically table stakes for an OS or piece of software a quarter century ago


This is the quality we are holding up so high and touting?
 
Sheesh folks, get a grip. ENOUGH with the emoji bitching. Its been explained way too many times that this 1) isn't how standards work -apple isn't creating these, just adding them as approved, and 2) certainly do NOT have folks pulled off systems development teams to do this.

Out of 13 comments so far.. EIGHT (?!) have been about whatever deal you have with emojis pushing your buttons or something. take a break please. please. seriously. not funny anymore.

I'm guessing most of us would much rather read actual feedback and comments about the system changes... I'm especially interested in photos, music & the changes in the printing system.

Music (doesn't seem to have much in terms of changes here, still have an issue with importing mp3s to a new playlist and having them disappear until i do it a 2nd time, then its fine)

Photos - would love a way to search for unnamed faces, but found a nice script that helps with that finally. Recognition seems better all the time though of faces and objects. I did notice for the first time that when browsing the photos you get a little 'i' for 'info', normally the photo meta details, place and so on. and if the app finds something of interest in the photo it adds a pulsing star to the icon. for me, a cat picture when i clicked that, not only did it pull up info about cats, but correctly identfied the breed of my cat!
Indeed yes. I'm at the point now where I barely read the comments. Trying to find one tiny morsel of useful information amongst dozens of useless posts is no longer worth it.
 
My post was not against Unicode, quite the contrary. I'm just saying that Unicode being extended with new characters like Emojis does not require any "in depth" changes in operating systems. By supporting Unicode, they are already prepared to handle the whole of the 1.1 million characters that Unicode could implement eventually.

The only thing that needs changing is fonts. But again, if those are not updated, they will simply display a rectangle for characters they don't "know". Nothing will break or crash (if implemented properly).
Yes, you're correct. I was just adding how wonderful it is to not have to do cyber gymnastics to display characters important to me.

I remember an IBM photo of their Japanese keyboard where there were probably 200 keys and the Roman alphabet sat on three keys. Things have become so much simpler.
 
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