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Apple Releases macOS Ventura With FaceTime Handoff, Continuity Camera, Stage Manager, New Apps and More
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This seems like a huge exaggeration for a feature that is completely optional to use in the first place.
I wasn't on the beta, I've downloaded Ventura and had a poke around and yes, things work OK!
I went through most panes on System Settings and I was expecting to hate it given all I've read about it... And was pleasantly surprised.
The panes layout and ordering is how you'd expect it to be on the Mac if you've come from the iPhone and the iPad. And even though I've used a Mac since 2005, I think that that is a good thing.
I won't comment on Stage Manager, as I think that we all need longer with that, but on first glance, everything is (mostly) fine.
One caveat though:
The move to having dialog boxes - and Systems Settings - incline to the portrait i.e. like the iPhone, is puzzling. You can't even freeform resize the systems settings window, for example. It feels like a refugee from the iPhone.
In the age of the 10th generation iPad, where it's obvious that the future of the iPad is
Especially - as pointed out by Jason Snell in his interview - the Mac hardware and iOS expects to be on a
But apart from that - nothing earth shutting, things work well. I just think that the 'iPad-ization' that started with Big Sur is far from finished and needs some course correction too.
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Overall I like the upgrade and it runs light and fast on my Mac Studio. The one application upgrades I really used thus far - is for the Reminders App. I rely on this app a lot to keep my running on annual taskers I need to do and the new features make it even easier. So that has one upgrade that I really like.
Not sure if I am a pro or not - but I do recognize its not optimal for Mac. I think its more useful for iPad to be blunt and it was designed from that perspective. For the Mac - I think some simple updates would make a huge difference in window management - minimize the window when clicking the icon on the dock, closing the app when you hit the red (x) button in the app window, and a nice snap to grid function. Spaces and desktops will do the rest.
I honestly can't tell if it's a Docker Desktop issue or macOS is the main culprit. I did not check Docker after upgrading macOS, I've updated Docker Desktop without running it. However it's not the first time Docker got broken after macOS upgrade. I'm pretty sure I'll switch to podman soon. Need to sort out some issue with volumes and good bye Docker.
Can you provide some details concerning the bugs? Would be interested to know before I start the upgrade
It's too painful. But here's a few examples:
New in Ventura (or perhaps Monterey), if you shift-click on the left edge, instead of extending selection, it just moves the cursor.
And ancient (bad for at least five years): When you're in threaded view, if you delete a message from the middle of the thread, the selection will randomly jump to some other message in the thread (instead of just moving to the next, or previous, message, like it does outside of threads). This one bug makes me tear out my hair on a daily basis.
How about the message compose window?
- As of a few years ago, when you reply to a message, the message attribution line ("On <date>, x@y.z wrote:") suddenly went inside the quote level. That's bizarrely stupid, violating both common sense and 40 years of precedent.
- Whitespace handling has been broken for years, but now it's broken worse. Quoting of messages with leading tabs or spaces in lines of text is mangled in all sorts of ways, including stripping them out entirely in some cases.
And then there are the not-quite-bugs, like changing fonts and interline spacing so it's far less informationally dense in a really user-hostile way.
I could go on but I'd start to vomit. I can't believe I'm still using this pos. I keep meaning to try Thunderbird again, and somehow never get around to it. It was ugly as hell - more than Mail (at least a few years ago) - but not so weirdly flaky.
I honestly can not understand, wha anyone at Apple thought, that the new system preferences dialog was a good idea. Now I have to scroll to see all the options, in the top level list and in some items as well. The option to "lock/unlock" some preferences seems to be missing (I am not working with an admin account).
The time until standby was moved from the energy options to the display and can only be et in predefined steps. Does probably not matter, as my iMac ignored this setting after updating to Ventury. And the "Dark War every few minutes" bug seems to be back.
Apple was successful in the not easy task to create system preferences that are worse then in Linux and Windows.
Fun fact: In the German language version in finder even the translation of the "Users" folder does now contain a gender ":" (Benutzer:Innen). I will switch my system language to Englisch.
The time until standby was moved from the energy options to the display and can only be et in predefined steps. Does probably not matter, as my iMac ignored this setting after updating to Ventury. And the "Dark War every few minutes" bug seems to be back.
Apple was successful in the not easy task to create system preferences that are worse then in Linux and Windows.
Fun fact: In the German language version in finder even the translation of the "Users" folder does now contain a gender ":" (Benutzer:Innen). I will switch my system language to Englisch.
Your memory is as bad as your spelling. (Seriously... it took several seconds to figure out you meant "soldered", and you weren't talking about browning the SSDs in a pan with some oil.)
The 2011 Air had a replaceable SSD, though it took a while to work out the proper pinouts, so you had to either get them from OWC, or buy an adaptor from China on ebay (which did work).
IIRC, the first Mac with soldered RAM was the 2012 MBPr, but they didn't start soldering in the SSDs until much later - at least 2016, I think, with the advent of the touchbar Macs.
I've kept on tinkering and apparently the good old "have you turned it off and on" helped 😅. I've unplugged all cables from the hub, waited a few seconds, plugged them in and then it worked again. Yesterday I forgot to unplug the charger for the passthrough charging, which kept the usb-hub running and prevented the power cycle.
I think the usb-hub kind of crashed during the update to Ventura and only a full power cycle made it work again. This is not something I'm used to with this hub, but I'm just happy now that it works again.
Apple merely caught up to Windows 11, have you seen those settings yet? I got used to the Windows 10 settings app and now I can't find anything, and MacOS is no different now. How much redesigning do OS settings really need? Do people set up bluetooth devices, TM backups, printers and so on on a daily basis? If they wanted to improve that on MacOS, all they'd need to do is make the settings app fullscreen and list all the subsettings that are contained in each category so you see what's where on first glance. Windows at least makes a bit better use of the space and does give some hints as to what's hidden behind a category.
You're kidding right? How am I supposed to control when to enable a SOCKS proxy (when working remotely) and when not (the rest of the time) ??? This is essential core technology, not something to be arbitrarily removed.
Whoops, posted this is the old thread and meant to post it here. My use use case is simple: remote work uses a SOCKS proxy, everything else does not. If the laptop is at home, I use one "Location" that enables the SOCKS proxy. If the laptop is elsewhere, I have to run the proxy myself locally and use a different "Location" with a different proxy url. For anything else, I use a "Location" that doesn't try to reach work. I don't need the automatic changes, but definitely need the ability to manually change the settings often, and a quick selection from the apple menu is a lot easier than navigating through the UX nightmare of System Settings to dig all the way into the advanced settings to change it (and hope the last time it was disabled, it was just disabled but didn't forget the details so it can just be reenabled).
Apple Removes Network Locations Feature in macOS Ventura
In addition to redesigning the System Settings app on macOS Ventura, Apple has removed the app's longstanding Network Locations feature, as noted...www.macrumors.com
They could bring it back if that is still present. This is the first version of Ventura with new system settings. They still need to release FreeForm in the future
macOS Ventura: Freeform app
Why are different users seeing such drastically different download sizes? Mine is 12.15 GB, upgrading from the latest Monterrey release. Are the users getting half or less size downloads running the beta already (so it doesn't have to install as much)?
Mine was 12.15 GB initially. It was happily downloading that 12.15 GB. This was on a Monterey 12.6 MacBook and I had just turned on the machine and the first thing I did was to start the Software Update.
However, then I canceled the download and started over. The second time around it defaulted to a 3.92 GB upgrade download. I am NOT in the beta program. I guess Apple is sending out different upgrade pkg combos for different machines, but sometimes the full 12.15 will get sent instead.
Toast was my thought exactly. Virtual desktops is an essential part of my workflow, I use them all the time. The fact that OS X had that feature was one of the reasons that made me switching (from Linux, not Windows) when Snow Leopard was released.
I just upgraded my iMac to Ventura and have the latest Xcode Version from the App Store installed, I could install command line tools with xcode-select
Not to mention, that sometimes arbitrary messages are marked as read when opening mail.
Yes, I have seen the settings dialog in Windows 10 & 11 and I do not like it
My main issue with the new dialog is, that it is in portrait mode and does not utilize the landscape screen of my iMac. It is insane that, on a 27" screen, I have to scroll in this dialog. That they moved some options probably needs only some getting used to.But in my opinion the settings dialog was not something that needed changes, there would have been other things with much higher priority.
I am missing that feature too. I did not need it every day but when I needed it it was very handy. I read somewhere, that there is still a possibility to define locations via the cli, have to lock into this.
Mine was 12.5 GB for the full installer on a 2018 Mac mini and 3.92Gb on my 2020 iMac, others I have not updated jet. Booth had the latest version of Monterey installed.
"The Mail app has been overhauled in macOS Ventura..."
I don't suppose Apple has added the ability to NOT MARK EMAILS AS READ when you simply click on them?
Why do I highly doubt this "advanced" function is still missing from Ventura?
I don't suppose Apple has added the ability to NOT MARK EMAILS AS READ when you simply click on them?
Why do I highly doubt this "advanced" function is still missing from Ventura?
I turned on Stage Manager...poked around for ±30 seconds...and then turned it off again, in all likelihood for good.
I get that they cater for the iOS/iPadOS to Mac OS converters, but it's just stupid unless you have infinite screen real estate available. With a 13" laptop screen, and Stage Manager taking ±20% of the left side of the screen, there's just too little screen left.
I'm much better off with the Dock, at the right, set to autohide; two Desktops, one for private, one for work apps; and a few Mission Control gestures and hot corners.
I don't really see anything [about Stage Manager] that can add to my Workflow...
I get that they cater for the iOS/iPadOS to Mac OS converters, but it's just stupid unless you have infinite screen real estate available. With a 13" laptop screen, and Stage Manager taking ±20% of the left side of the screen, there's just too little screen left.
I'm much better off with the Dock, at the right, set to autohide; two Desktops, one for private, one for work apps; and a few Mission Control gestures and hot corners.
I don't really see anything [about Stage Manager] that can add to my Workflow...
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I wonder what the explanation is for that? Both my M1 Mac Mini and my 2019 iMac were 12.15 GB, both upgrading from the latest version of Monterey as well. And your "large" one wasn't even the same size as my "large" one (yours was 0.35 GB larger). I don't get it.