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Apple Releases New 15" MacBook Pro, Updates 17" MacBook Pro
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They just hired people to look into that... I wouldn't expect the fruits of their labor to show up in products 2 weeks later.
I like the new lineup and I placed an order for a 17" 2.8 GHz last night, after spending several months on the fence. I gotta say, though, I should stop watching these Keynotes. These guys lie and exaggerate so much, they make Comical Ali look like a truth serum guinea-pig. Any drinking game involving having to drink everytime Phil Schiller says "incredible" would kill an elephant.
Why have they put in a 7 hour non-removable battery? Most 15inch MBP users don't use it on battery only very often..
If 15" users don't charge the battery much and this battery lasts for 1,000 cycles then they will get more then the 5 years apple predicts. ( Apple seems to think folks charge every about every 1.8 days. If it were every 4 days... kept it plugged in all the time and only take it out on weekends for some reason .... then the lifetime of the battery is 10 years. ) Why would you want to buy another battery?
The folks who would want a replacable battery are the ones that go through a charge cycle every day. For them it will only be 2.5 years till they burn the battery out.
Or is this the battery makes it hard to get to the hard drive problem?
Yeah it's the battery life I'm concerned about. MBPs need to battery in to perform optimally, I never took mine out because of that and rarely used the MBP without mains, yet after a year it died on me and I bought a new one. I just don't share your faith with Apple batteries - I bet within 2 years there will be some nonsense and I'll be stuck without my MBP for a week (which I use for work) because it's on holiday getting a new battery.
That's where my thoughts are at atm..
And what about the RAM, can you access that, or is it a send away job now too?
lol trust me, I'm tempted
tempted to wait or go for it?? if i had the money i would be waiting..if i had money at all HA
tempted to wait - my current MBP is still working great and was even running new games amazingly at the weekend there (I beta trailed AION). I really want a shiny Unibody though but I want to be happy with it..
Apple's % of Laptop Sales...
The only reason Apple's % of laptop sales within the company ( laptops vs desktops ) is the highest in the industry is because Apple doesn't even SELL an affordable midrange tower. If they did, I'd buy one.
I applaud their laptop moves though. In a tough economy, Apple was beginning to price itself completely out of the market again. Now, they're at least in the ballpark. People are willing to pay a small premium for something good even in tough times, but in tough times they're much more likely to feel like they're being gouged if the premium is too great. Let's hope Apple understands this, otherwise sales will start to plummet. It's not like this current economic crisis is gonna end tomorrow. Apple needs to keep that in mind.
The next thing they need to do is to release that mythical midrange tower now that Psystar is no more.
I would buy one in a heartbeat to replace my Powermac G5. The current crop of Mac Pros are too expensive and way more power than I need and it's hard for me to imagine that many of the cheaper laptops available these days are much faster than my late model G5.
Remember when you could buy a Mac Powermac tower for around $1500 ?
Still waiting Apple........
The only reason Apple's % of laptop sales within the company ( laptops vs desktops ) is the highest in the industry is because Apple doesn't even SELL an affordable midrange tower. If they did, I'd buy one.
I applaud their laptop moves though. In a tough economy, Apple was beginning to price itself completely out of the market again. Now, they're at least in the ballpark. People are willing to pay a small premium for something good even in tough times, but in tough times they're much more likely to feel like they're being gouged if the premium is too great. Let's hope Apple understands this, otherwise sales will start to plummet. It's not like this current economic crisis is gonna end tomorrow. Apple needs to keep that in mind.
The next thing they need to do is to release that mythical midrange tower now that Psystar is no more.
I would buy one in a heartbeat to replace my Powermac G5. The current crop of Mac Pros are too expensive and way more power than I need and it's hard for me to imagine that many of the cheaper laptops available these days are much faster than my late model G5.
Remember when you could buy a Mac Powermac tower for around $1500 ?
Still waiting Apple........
oh i see! if the current MBP is fine then i see now reason for you to upgrade now nor in 6 months time. you wont be needed quad core unless you do 3D rendering etcetc. (will be VERY expensive too)
The new prices are OK in the U.S, sure, but at least half of their sales are outside the US, and in Europe we didn't see the prices drop at all. Technically the prices were lowered a bit *but* the new MBP's inherited the same exchange rate-based price hike we saw on the machines introduced in March (Mac Pro, Mini, iMac), so in the end the new MBP's just ended up costing the same as they did when they were introduced in November '08 and January '09, respectively.
For example, the basic MBP 17" went from $2799 to $2499 in the US yesterday, but here in Sweden it's 25,495 SEK, exactly the same price as before. So Apple are still priced out of the market on this side of the pond.
No matte option on 15in.
Still no bluray
Timeframe of update suggests that we won't see quadcore laptops til november (assuming apple adopts them next time round)
Expresscard removed from 15in in favour of a slot that can be bought as a usb attachment for a pittance
"How is it not a pro?" it doesn't have a gfx card, genius. How come apple's response to the recession has been to find an integrated gfx solution that's not completely worthless and gradually raise the entry bar for discrete gfx to redress the balance? How come they can't just drop the prices of existing models without crippling more of their product line than ever before? The MBP-MB trickle down features have always just been sweeteners - the discrete gfx and expansion were what pros paid for. The rest is just LED-backlit window-dressing.
Guess I better start saving for a baseline january 2010 Mac Pro Dual Core Xeon with 2GB Memory and the latest and greatest integrated gfx which will be $300 less than the current baseline model (which will work out as £300 more in the UK).
Still no bluray
Timeframe of update suggests that we won't see quadcore laptops til november (assuming apple adopts them next time round)
Expresscard removed from 15in in favour of a slot that can be bought as a usb attachment for a pittance
"How is it not a pro?" it doesn't have a gfx card, genius. How come apple's response to the recession has been to find an integrated gfx solution that's not completely worthless and gradually raise the entry bar for discrete gfx to redress the balance? How come they can't just drop the prices of existing models without crippling more of their product line than ever before? The MBP-MB trickle down features have always just been sweeteners - the discrete gfx and expansion were what pros paid for. The rest is just LED-backlit window-dressing.
Guess I better start saving for a baseline january 2010 Mac Pro Dual Core Xeon with 2GB Memory and the latest and greatest integrated gfx which will be $300 less than the current baseline model (which will work out as £300 more in the UK).
matte, meh. get one of those film things.
bluray, come on surely you know the standing.
quad-core: somewhere around jan-feb.
Aren't those the quads with a rather crappy clock frequency (1.6 GHz or something like that?). I suppose with SL's Grand Central it might improve performance in some circumstances over the current 3 GHz duos, but it's probably going to suck @ss in BootCamp.
My Macbook Pro (Unibody) 2.4ghz looks so old and overpriced right now...at least it supports OpenCL... but no Hybrid-SLI...
maybe my MBP will overheat and die, than apple must give me a new one , i see the grey screen about once in 2 weeks, so good way....
maybe my MBP will overheat and die, than apple must give me a new one
, i see the grey screen about once in 2 weeks, so good way....
no, the november release is for those slow-ass ones. the 'proper' revisions are later on around Jan/Feb (ish).
My Macbook Pro (Unibody) 2.4ghz looks so old and overpriced right now...at least it supports OpenCL... but no Hybrid-SLI...
maybe my MBP will overheat and die, than apple must give me a new one
PFFFTTT!!! OLD?!??! try having an original MBP!!!!
With the new base model 500 SEK cheaper but missing the 9600GT card... With the 9600GT it's now 1500 SEK more, and still you only get the 256MB version.
So you might actually even say they got a little bump again, price-wise.
Why? What would getting the used laptop give you, as opposed to getting anew one? It seems to that you are thinking that the 15? MBP lost the dedicated GPU entirely. it didn't, only the low-end model did.
Before this update, the cheapest 15" MBP cost $1999 and it had a 9600M GT. Now, you can spend the exact same amount of money and get a 15# MBP that has 9600M GT, along with host of improved specs. IN ADDITION, there's now a cheaper model available, that only has 9400M.
So what exactly am I missing here? before, it cost you $1999 to get 9600M GT, today it costs $1999 to get 9600M GT. What exactly has changed?
What makes you believe the student's 23" LCD panel is a non-HDCP compliant device? He never said what the make and model were.
Unless he/she lives outside the states... See above for one example. That and the expresscard slot among other details. Thought this was pretty clear by now.
It's interesting and funny to see how people start making arbitrary demands for laptops that has "pro" in it's name. "OMG, it MUST have an ExpressCard-slot in order to be a Pro-machine! If it doesn't have that slot, then it is not pro!" or "OMG, it MUST have a dedicated GPU, otherwise it's not pro!".
I don't understand why the prices were bumped now, though. When the Mac Pro + iMac + Mini were released in March, the USD happened to peak against the SEK. It was quite an insane peak (9.19 SEK, about 20% over normal), and the resulting price hike from Apple was equally insane. But now the USD is back to normal levels (around 7.50 SEK), so why are Apple pretending it's still March? The new MBP 17" should've been something like 22,995 SEK, not 25,495. Macs are tough enough to sell in a recession as it is, their timing for an experiment to see if Europeans are willing to pay 15-20% more for Macs for no particular reason is poorly chosen.
Well, with the loss of the ExpressCard slot there is now no way to upgrade a machine that was already limited simply by being a laptop. Other companies produce laptops with ExpressCard slots that were superior to the one Apple provided (being the wider standard so able to use both sizes).
An SD card slot can be done with an ExpressCard reader or a USB dongle (who uses those anyway? I just hook my camera up to the computer to transfer). Now, instead of a versitile slot that can be used to add connectivity options Apple isn't offering (like ESATA), we get a small memory card slot most people really don't need to begin with.
Apple says we don't need Clones/OSX licensing and assures us they can meet the needs of their users, but look what happens.
IIRC, in Finland the "old" 15" MBP with 9600M GT cost 1899, the new 15" MBP with 9600M GT costs 1849
. The 15" with 9400M costs 1649.And what is it about the ExpressCard-slot? No-one used it. Well apart from the noisy minority who will keep on bitching and moaning about it for months to come. They act like the loss of the slot is the end of the world as we know it, when the fact is that the people who really need it are few and far between.
The owners of older MBP's are cheering as their machines have ExpressCard-slots. And after a while, they stop cheering and they keep on leaving that slot unused.... Yet we are supposed to believe that it's a vital feature that must not be touched. yeah, a vital, unused feature....