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So yes, still looking for something that is express card native and a large set of MacBook Pro users.

Verizon Wireless 3G cards. eSata cards. Compact Flash Adapter Cards.
 
http://catalog2.panasonic.com/webap...d=94262&catGroupId=34402&surfModel=AJ-PCS060G

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Granted, taking a speed hit in transfer speed and it puts another expensive device between the card and the computer so can see how could possibly be taking a hit on transfers, but looking at the other P2 equipment this is very expensive stuff. As said before ExpressCard which impacts a relatively large set of MacBook Pro owners. ( I think the number of folks on movie/tv sets are far outnumbers by someone who runs a 'regular business who needs a "power" laptop to move on the go. )


P2 appears to be PCIMA cards [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P2_(storage_media) ]. So can't directly plug them into express slots anyway. That should be a clue. Can't see why folks don't have relatively inexpensive FW800 devices that would take these (other than FW800 isn't popular or widespread. ;-) ) since you have to plug the card into something else before plugging that into the MacBook Pro anyway.

A bit forward looking, this might be one of the missing demand rivers for FW1600/3200. What have is HD content that must be transferred from one hard drive to another very quickly.

So yes, still looking for something that is express card native and a large set of MacBook Pro users.


Thanks, and I don’t want to sound like an ass, but I have worked with all this stuff before (it is what I do), and this is not a good option you have provided. So yes no slot still a negative. The Store Drive is $1800 and can fill up quickly, so you still need to have a computer to transfer footage to a hard drive array for the client (now anther step apple just made us do). Where as the PCMCIA to Express adapter (to plug the cards right into the computer) is $110. So from a $110 to $1800 is a big new expense, isn’t it? I would say that would be a setback! Beside, the hard drive readers bog down the workflow too much. With the Express adapter once the card is transferred directly to the drive array you’re ready to check the shots right there in final cut, and hand the card back to the DP. Now there is another layer of transfer involved, and that just wont cut it time wise on set.

And yea, I know we are a minority, but that’s what the “pro” models where for.
 
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I don't quite understand the people who are against Blu Ray.

I suspect they, like me, have a problem with the format itself. That said, I see no reason for Apple not to offer it as an (expensive) option. Options are good! :)

I also have a problem with the fact that movies purchased through iTunes are DRM laden

Blu Ray also has DRM.
 
He is correct. It doesn't work. Even if it did, your firewire 400 audio interface is going to slow down your external firewire 800 drives. Not good. And working solely off a large internal drive (as someone else suggested) is not recommended. The audio app & the audio project need to be on separate drives for best performance, and besides, audio/video work is HARD on drives... it is easier to format/replace external drives than internal ones.

Why do people need FW800 external drives when you can get a 7200 RPM 500 GB drive inside the laptop?????

In the past when hard drives were smaller I can understand will run out of space. Likewise can understand when didn't have 4-6GB of main memory that the apps and OS might tap the internal drive a bit. However, now when can max out with 8 GB of memory and 500GB internal drives .... where is the contention problem with the internal drive?

Or you need to read off the disk and write to a second disk at the same time? (e.g. the raw audio gets dumped on disk and a mutated copy is also being dumped to a another disk at exactly the same time? )

To get stuff "out of" your workflow over time can go to the external drive.
Or is this want to power two sets of devices problem ( don't want to plug in both the laptop and external drive)? 0

You can daisy chain 4-5 drives and have no impact on bandwidth if you don't use the drives at the same time as the audio interface. What is the motivation behind multiple drives?
 
No ExpressCard? No E-SATA? Still uber-glossy?

The only MBP that deserves the "P" now is the 17-inch version, and that only because they didn't update it today. While the 17-inch is still about the same weight as most 15-inch laptops, it's still big enough and heavy enough you think twice before taking it with you.

As much as I love my current MBP, in a year when I'm ready to upgrade, I think it will be a PC. If only they'd license Snow Leopard for use on other hardware.

Because I buy Blu-Ray movies and I want to be able to rip them to my iPhone, rip them to my laptop, watch them directly on my laptop. I can buy a $600 PC that does this, but I'd rather not.
 
is 3.06GHz worth the upgrade ?

I'm using my MBP for processing RAW images from 21Megabyte files. Is the 3.06 upgrade going to help ? or is more RAM the better upgrade. (RAM is $1000, the faster processor is $300) or would both help ?

Will I see any difference ? with a faster processor ?

2.66 --> 2.8 is not worth it. You will not be able to tell the difference without a long processor-intensive task and a stop watch.

You've just got classic buyer's remorse. Try to just let it go. It really does not matter. And anyway, you've got the Express 34 slot.
 
I suspect they, like me, have a problem with the format itself. That said, I see no reason for Apple not to offer it as an (expensive) option. Options are good! :)



Blu Ray also has DRM.

I agree that this is a problem, however the format can be licensed and thus there are options for players. Apple will not license FairPlay and therefore the only option for playing apple content is through an apple product.
 
The refurbished 15" MacBook with the 9600M GT is going to be a very popular item.

maybe. it's a trade-off. the 2.4ghz refurb is $1,699.00. but you get 2GB of ram, a smaller hard drive, and you don't get that ridiculous 7 hour/1000 charge battery.

i'd just spend the extra 300...

also no education discount on refurb...and you probably don't get the free ipod with the refurb either, so students won't find it so appealing now.
 
I guess I'm one of the few who is excited about this product.

For $300 less I get a (slightly faster) 15" laptop with 4GB of ram (I believe the previous standard was 2 for the 15") an SD card (that's all I am likely to use) and a supposedly superior screen.

Since I'm not playing games, I don't see that I need the discrete graphics, unless OpenCL is going to really latch onto the discrete graphics adapter to boost overall performance.

It sounds like a win to me.

I agree! This is everything I need and at great price! I've never once used the express card slot on my previous gen MBP, but there many times when I wish that I had an integrated SDcard slot.
 
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He is correct. It doesn't work. Even if it did, your firewire 400 audio interface is going to slow down your external firewire 800 drives. Not good. And working solely off a large internal drive (as someone else suggested) is not recommended. The audio app & the audio project need to be on separate drives for best performance, and besides, audio/video work is HARD on drives... it is easier to format/replace external drives than internal ones.

lol get a mac pro

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roflmao see above


also, many "professionals" use mac book pros...all the time. Mathematicians, doctors, statisticians, lawyers, architects, photographers, creative designers, visual artists, engineers, finance slobs, journalists....

it's always the video/audio crowd that whinges the most about doing their craft on a laptop. Face it dorks, professional level Audio/Video...is not 'there' for laptops.

Especially you video ppl. you can't compete with other ppl in your field, the one's with 8-core mac pros, using a laptop. stop kidding yourselves and get a real computer.
 
I don't quite understand the people who are against Blu Ray.

I want blue ray on the mac and think it's pathetic that it is not offered as an option. Here it is as the way I see it:

  • Professionals need it - especially people who work with video. It's a great storage medium.

  • Blu Ray is a common format at this point and it is clear that the studios eventually want it to replace DVDs. Many people already own a player which is not so expensive anymore ($150 or so) and several movies. Why should I be forced to purchase the movie again just so I can watch it on the road?


So I don't understand why there are some people attacking others for wanting Blu Ray. It should be offered as an option, and if you don't want it then don't buy it. I, however, want it and would be willing to pay for it.

As an aside, what's up with the screen resolutions? Hasn't apple promised us for years that there would be full-resolution independence built into the OS and thus higher resolution screens?

1)When did BR become the storage medium of choice by any professional?! The only reason you would need/want BR in a profession is if you were actually mastering BR discs and needed to make some to send to manufacturing or other testing. If you need to store 20-30gigs of data, store it on the countless other options that are much more mature and cheaper.

2)BR is not a common format...what do you mean it's common? You mean it's understood by people? Yeah, my dad and friends basically know WHAT BR is...but they don't own any BR titles or equipment. I would argue that a very very low percentage of consumers own it. Again, a dozen reasons why, but DVD is by far still king.


Don't get me wrong, I love BR (I own it) but for the majority of consumers out there (and you can read many articles about this), there's not as much of a reason to go to BR. BR is not like what DVD did for VHS...or what CD did for vinyl/cassette. BR is the technically a higher definition, but all the other selling factors that existed when DVD and CD came on the market (very small, un-eraseable, much tougher, no rewinding, excellent fast forward/skipping/chapter selection, units are very small and thin, etc.) are gone. Now consumers are like "hmmm...all this money for a better picture? Nahhhhh, I'll wait for my total cost of ownership to drop when this thing becomes mainstream and it becomes harder to find/rent/buy dvds." There's nothing else the salesman can pitch...it's pure bits/bytes. There's no "convenience" over dvd.

I want BR to succeed...but I have my doubts....at worst it's going to be a looooong time for BR to become mainstream if you ask me. 2013 or later if you ask me.
 
Why do people need FW800 external drives when you can get a 7200 RPM 500 GB drive inside the laptop?????

Did you read my WHOLE post? It's not a space issue...

"The audio app & the audio project need to be on separate drives for best performance, and besides, audio/video work is HARD on drives... it is easier to format/replace external drives than internal ones."
 
My major gripe with the newest version of the 15" Macbook Pros from a UK customers perspective is this:

The base model over here has seen a price drop of around £50 ($80 USD) which means for £50 less we get a spec bump but lose the dedicated graphics card.

In the USA this price decrease is $300 which makes the new base model pretty much a new price point and an intermediate MBP. For the same money it used to cost for the entry level MBP in the US you can get the new mid-range MBP complete with dedicated graphics. So realistically you are not really losing anything (except the stupid decision to remove the expansion slot).

Whilst in the UK to get a 'pro' level machine, i.e: one with dedicated graphics it is now going to cost £150 ($240) more than the old base model...

I don't mind paying more for apple hardware than the straight USD to GBP conversion is but I think it is shocking that we have practically had a price increase!
 
1)When did BR become the storage medium of choice by any professional?! The only reason you would need/want BR in a profession is if you were actually mastering BR discs and needed to make some to send to manufacturing or other testing. If you need to store 20-30gigs of data, store it on the countless other options that are much more mature and cheaper.

2)BR is not a common format...what do you mean it's common? You mean it's understood by people? Yeah, my dad and friends basically know WHAT BR is...but they don't own any BR titles or equipment. I would argue that a very very low percentage of consumers own it. Again, a dozen reasons why, but DVD is by far still king.


Don't get me wrong, I love BR (I own it) but for the majority of consumers out there (and you can read many articles about this), there's not as much of a reason to go to BR. BR is not like what DVD did for VHS...or what CD did for vinyl/cassette. BR is the technically a higher definition, but all the other selling factors that existed when DVD and CD came on the market (very small, un-eraseable, much tougher, no rewinding, excellent fast forward/skipping/chapter selection, units are very small and thin, etc.) are gone. Now consumers are like "hmmm...all this money for a better picture? Nahhhhh, I'll wait for my total cost of ownership to drop when this thing becomes mainstream and it becomes harder to find/rent/buy dvds." There's nothing else the salesman can pitch...it's pure bits/bytes. There's no "convenience" over dvd.

I want BR to succeed...but I have my doubts....at worst it's going to be a looooong time for BR to become mainstream if you ask me. 2013 or later if you ask me.

BR will never be mainstream
 
A little observation; the 13" MBP seems to have only one mini jack plug, which can be user selectable as input/output. It's also the only one that is specifically mentioned as supporting the mic on the apple headset.

Did anyone catch if the new 15" MBPs supports the apple headset?
 
My major gripe with the newest version of the 15" Macbook Pros from a UK customers perspective is this:

The base model over here has seen a price drop of around £50 ($80 USD) which means for £50 less we get a spec bump but lose the dedicated graphics card.

In the USA this price decrease is $300 which makes the new base model pretty much a new price point and an intermediate MBP. For the same money it used to cost for the entry level MBP in the US you can get the new mid-range MBP complete with dedicated graphics. So realistically you are not really losing anything (except the stupid decision to remove the expansion slot).

Whilst in the UK to get a 'pro' level machine, i.e: one with dedicated graphics it is now going to cost £150 ($240) more than the old base model...

I don't mind paying more for apple hardware than the straight USD to GBP conversion is but I think it is shocking that we have practically had a price increase!

yup. that's a raw deal. but you ppl should be used to it by now.
 
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Well..
Things are pretty simple,ha?
I think Apple is the first victim of "Prize Busters, I'm a pc" ads.
You see, everyone say about how sexy and nice a macbook (pro) looks.

So Apple says:
"Why to bother? Even with crap hardware people will buy my stuff"

I mean, who don't like nice and sexy stuff?
We buy also clothes that way...
 
drlunaner said:
...then a short time later had miraculously improved Li-Polymer battery tech available for the 17"? I mean, why don't they revise the removable batteries to include the new Li-Poly cells and charging circuitry - voila, better battery capacity and lifespan in the same sized battery....

So, I was completely and utterly right. I wrote this back in February.

All kneel before me ;) :D

Not really. There was no micurlous improvement in energy storage density in the "17 inch tech" that folks seem to want to attribute to it. The increase in battery capacity comes from making the batteries bigger. You looks the casing walls for the batter and for the compartment that the batter goes into and that leaves slightly more room for bigger battery side with about an equal weight trade-off.

That batteries are not the same size. That is the whole point of dumping the casing around them.

If Apple had phenomally increased energy density in batteries they could make tons of money worldwide off of a ton of applications (cars, power systems , etc.)... why would they limit that to subset of consumer toys?





There was little in what Apple talked about that said their supposed "secret sauce" in chemical encoding increased energy density versus making the batteries last longer (because you've now make a tradeoff of inconvenience because can't be replaced. ) versus them talking overtly about the benfits of dumping the packaging/casing of the batteries.
 
8GB of ram in the 13 inch macbook pro cost an extra £880 (or $1100)?? is that a typo on apple site or something??

£69 extra for 4GB, £880 extra for 8Gb, sounds crazy..
 
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