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Apple Releases New 15" MacBook Pro, Updates 17" MacBook Pro
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Why would I want to have to buy movies more than one time to have them on all my devices?
I don't understand why some of you guys seem to think that previous models would now be worth more than the new. Are you guys on crack?
Perhaps because we are (were) traditionally Apple's core market?
Or because it doesn't make much sense for Apple to screw us over and save (maybe) $5 per machine?
Makes my 2 mos old 2.4 macbookpro seems a limited edition. Come to think of it I got express card a user replacable battery with Nvidia 9400 and 9600 maybe a slower processor but who cares its a point 2 difference
It's been much worse this time than in the past. Usually it's just a matter of the price in the US when converted to the UK meant the exchange rate has made it slightly more expensive than a raw currency conversion.
This time what should have been a $300 (£187) reduction in price has become a measly £50 one. Given the exchange official exchange rate as of this moment the cost of the basic 15" MBP in the UK is $2,075 instead of $1,699!!
1699 for the old 2.4 15 inch baseline with dedicated grfx straight from aapl.
they will hold their value in the short-term better than most phased out products, but they will probably not be 'worth more' at any point.
See my sig. Apple shafted us in the UK with the last round of desktop updates, now we have to take it again with these new laptops. Vote with your wallet and if you really need a new Apple laptop only buy the 13" models - they're by far the best value.
i am in the uk ...
for us .. the mbp has gone up by £130 !!
this morning you could get a mbp with express port, and dedicated grapics card for £1369
now to get the same spec with dedicated card , its £1499 !!
in usa you are getting the same spec for no increase on the older model.. tho no express ..
apple is saying the mbps are now cheaper, but thats not right .. cheaper if you notice they take away dedicated graphics, express cards and firewire 400 ..
but for the same spec that was available, they are priced the same in usa, and $200 more in uk !
OH AND DID YOU NOTICE THEY DROPPED THE GRAPHICS MEMORY BY HALF TO 256 !!
sneeky ! ...
these macs arent pro anymore .. we should piss apple off and just all call them macbooks .... coz thats what they are now !!
rant over
for us .. the mbp has gone up by £130 !!
this morning you could get a mbp with express port, and dedicated grapics card for £1369
now to get the same spec with dedicated card , its £1499 !!
in usa you are getting the same spec for no increase on the older model.. tho no express ..
apple is saying the mbps are now cheaper, but thats not right .. cheaper if you notice they take away dedicated graphics, express cards and firewire 400 ..
but for the same spec that was available, they are priced the same in usa, and $200 more in uk !
OH AND DID YOU NOTICE THEY DROPPED THE GRAPHICS MEMORY BY HALF TO 256 !!
sneeky ! ...
these macs arent pro anymore .. we should piss apple off and just all call them macbooks .... coz thats what they are now !!
rant over
I will second, third and fourth that one...
Wow Apple - way to go. Take away my ability for multi-function media reader, eSATA and my V740 internet card.
Idiots. Just plain stupid. They just keep making it difficult for me to keep buying Apple and trying to justify it to my management at work.
Losing the Express slot and adding SD?! Wow. I would seriously fire the idiot that made that decision. Who is in their focus groups, anyway? People that actually USE their hardware or just walk around carrying it to look pretty?
lol the world revolves around audio/video ppl (i am one too, but i've a mac tower and no problems with dedicated gfx and/or storage i/o).
hey, everybody. First post here! I was upset that they updated the line AFTER my mbp 17 came in. But I wasn't alone; all my friends just bought new macs and they are frankly pissed. But hey, apple had their price policy on their website. I'd take advantage of that and it applies tothose who CTO'd their computers. I was talking to the Apple Store employees; it took EVERYONE by surprise. People were pissed. But here's some things that will pacify the pain of buying early.
Those who bought a base model in store or online OR a matte screen from in-store within 14 days, you have 30 days to contact the store or 14 if you ordered online to call about getting your price adjusted. No major questions asked.
Those who CTO'd: call the main apple number and they will have to calculate how much you get back and they'll walk you through the process.
However, because this took everyone by surprise, especially employees, the refunding of money policy isn't in their current systems. Apple's advice is to give them a day and you can call about it. If at first you don't succeed, don't call again. Call customer relations! They are always helpful. I know from first hand experience.
Those who bought a base model in store or online OR a matte screen from in-store within 14 days, you have 30 days to contact the store or 14 if you ordered online to call about getting your price adjusted. No major questions asked.
Those who CTO'd: call the main apple number and they will have to calculate how much you get back and they'll walk you through the process.
However, because this took everyone by surprise, especially employees, the refunding of money policy isn't in their current systems. Apple's advice is to give them a day and you can call about it. If at first you don't succeed, don't call again. Call customer relations! They are always helpful. I know from first hand experience.
Sure. Though I spend more time than I'd like in Windows to run Excel 2007 for corporate interoperability. (Yes, I have office:mac; excel:mac doesn't cut it.)
I don't blame Apple for this, though.
Sure, especially since Apple has nerfed the 15" MBP by removing the ExpressCard slot. Things were just fine for field recording when you could hang an eSATA raid or another 1394 bus off that slot.
We already do, thanks. We're talking about laptops, traditionally used in the field. The only reason to pick a Mac Pro in the studio is if you need Logic, Shake, or Final Cut Studio anyhow.
Look, I'm glad the 17" is hanging on with an ExpressCard slot and matte screen option, but the writing is on the wall. (Adobe seems to have noticed as well - *cough*64-bit CS4*cough*)
You are a one of the lucky ones you bought your MBP 7 days earlier You got yourself a limited edition macbook pro unibody congratulation!!!!!! Now go plug something on your expresscard maybe a 12 in 1 cardreader or a SSD hardrive
Agree with rest of your post but this is not true. The graphics memory in the last base model was 256Mb!
Congratulations! You're now the biggest most arrogant person on the thread. Good job. I'm not even gig to address you're points other than to say they are some of the most stupid I have read in a while. When you actually work in a field for 15 years then you can the feel free to comment on what tool are needed for the job.
I would add that there IS hope for people that really really want to kiss apple again after being slapped like this - at least in the EVDO internet connectivity express slot market:
Cradlepoint Wireless Router/
Doesn't help with eSATA or the others. Just thought I would include this as an option - that and other devices can share the wireless link.
That's not what I am laughing at...I'm laughing that you are taking the highest quality video currently available to consumers (and that it is designed for very very hi definition and LARGE televisions AND excellent audio equipment) and converting it down about 11 levels to iPhone quality that you will listen to with tiny headphones.
Your goal to have 1 playable unit is fine...but the expense in the BR format plus all the quality you toss out by converting it to iPhone is crazy. Save yourself thousands of dollars a year and buy the $7.99 DVD version and convert that instead of the $24+ BR version.
-Eric
Well put.
A lot of video proffesionals (if not most, I certainly do) have BOTH a Mac Pro AND a MBP.
They serve different purposes. Loosing the Express card slot doe a SD card reader? What kind of a move is that?
I use my MBP on location, off loading my HD footage that are shot on Express cards in 8* real time. Try that over USB.
And only one Firewire port?
They really don´t care much about Pro users anymore.
It´s a great shame, and no, we can´t just buy a PC if we are unhappy. Big investments are already done on the software side and a lot of time is spent learning to use these tools.
PS And to me the 17" is just to big to log around for location shooting
so are you saying that the existence of an ExpressCard slot is the main reason why the old 15" has been priced higher than the new 15"?
actually, i don't use either an SD slot or an ExpressCard slot, but the higher battery performance of up to 7hrs, a higher GHz, and a larger hard drive 500GB that come with the new 15" for $2-300 less than i paid for my 15" a few weeks ago have made me think otherwise..
let me see Battery is Battery eventually they will die out and you need to charge them back but the old MBP15 is user replacable but the new one is not so whenever they claim that their battery last 8hrs or up to 5 years it really depends how the user use and abuse the battery. But at least I can change my own battery. 500gb of hard drive no fancy in there either unless its a 500gb ssd but its a 5400 500gb hardrive.
I buy the Blu-Ray to watch on my TV. I rip to my iPhone for when I'm travelling. Would be stupid to just buy Blu-Ray for the iPhone.
Well, lets see...
Comparing 2.66 Pro's check that the previous model has expresscard, better graphic card with more and dedicated memory, you can update easily your ram to 8 gigs (dont have a clue if you can do that in new pro but if it is worth $1000(!!!) for Apple probably will not be that easy).
You can change the HD easily in the old pro's if you like but I suppose in the new pro will be also easy but don't know again.
The only advantages is better battery (that will be good question if there will be a better battery offered by Apple for the previous Pro's) and according to Apple, better Display (but let's check again if that make that big difference)
If you compare the 2.8 new pro with the new 2.66 you get better CPU and GPU only! Comparing 2.8 with 2.66 you get except better CPU also battery and Display.I'm not quite sure that deserve the waiting.
Does make any difference now?
In my point of view,especially if you are for example an audio or video engineer, some things make a lot of difference.
You dont have to take literally that is gonna worth more that the new ones, just compare what technology you buying with the same amount of money now and what did you buy in November when the previous models were introduced. for 2300 the previous model of pro was state of art before a year. For the same amount of money the new 2.8,well, is hmm...
Calm down there, friend. Have you checked the prices of a system configured with 8GB of RAM? They make the Baby Jesus cry more than he ever did with MBA pricing!
I don't really have the time to be posting here. But I can't help.
Well, blu-ray is better on any high definition display. As I've said many times, blu-ray downsampled on a small screen will look better than DVD upscaled by 2.5x (1280x800 screen). It's all about quality and not having to worry about having multiple copies of a movie. Why should I have to buy the blu-ray, plus the DVD, plus the "digital download"? One blu-ray disc should be all I need.
Plus a lot of us use our computers for work AND play. At the end of the day, its nice being able to connect my PC to my home theater set up with one cable and having it do all of my games, movies, etc.
Completely false. If you do some googling you'll see that blu-ray is being adopted at TWICE the rate DVD was at the same point in its life. If you look back 10 years ago, DVD only had 4% marketshare. Blu-ray currently stands at 8-10% depending on which source you read.
Blu-ray is definitely being adopted faster than DVD and that is a fact. This whole nonsense about blu-ray not selling well is just that, nonsense.
And how do you speak for the entire general population?
Blu-ray is already becoming mainstream in notebook PCs and its appearing in cheaper desktops, not pricey as you say. There are several PC notebooks well under $1,000 that offer blu-ray and the GPUs capable of playing back video. They also have HDMI outputs with the ability to push 8 channel LPCM out over HDMI.
And, again, blu-ray is becoming mainstream in notebooks. HP even offers a 13.3" system with blu-ray as an option.
And despite what those articles say, blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was. Again, do some research. You'll see that blu-ray, compared to DVD at the same point in DVDs lifespan, is outpacing DVD adoption by more than double.
Wow, if you think that, then theres something wrong with your setup. Let's look at the facts here. Blu-ray has a native resolution of about 2 million pixels. DVD is just over 300,000 pixels. DVD's use MPEG-2 video encoded at an average bitrate of about 5Mbps. Older blu-rays use MPEG-2 at around 20Mbps, but modern blu-rays from about 2007 and on use H.264 or VC-1 encoded anywhere from 20-45Mbps.
Even when comparing the old MPEG-2 blu-ray discs to DVD, theres just no comparison. You're getting 3-4 times the bitrate and 6 times the resolution. More pixels with a higher bitrate will always look better.
Its actually quite funny you mention those two.
MiniDisc was quite popular in Asia. Very popular in fact, selling tens of millions. Beta was the defacto standard for professional video tape for many years after it lost the consumer market.
In the end, those two formats were very successful.
And, again, blu-ray is outpacing DVD growth by more than double.
Well, blu-ray is better on any high definition display. As I've said many times, blu-ray downsampled on a small screen will look better than DVD upscaled by 2.5x (1280x800 screen). It's all about quality and not having to worry about having multiple copies of a movie. Why should I have to buy the blu-ray, plus the DVD, plus the "digital download"? One blu-ray disc should be all I need.
Plus a lot of us use our computers for work AND play. At the end of the day, its nice being able to connect my PC to my home theater set up with one cable and having it do all of my games, movies, etc.
Completely false. If you do some googling you'll see that blu-ray is being adopted at TWICE the rate DVD was at the same point in its life. If you look back 10 years ago, DVD only had 4% marketshare. Blu-ray currently stands at 8-10% depending on which source you read.
Blu-ray is definitely being adopted faster than DVD and that is a fact. This whole nonsense about blu-ray not selling well is just that, nonsense.
And how do you speak for the entire general population?
Blu-ray is already becoming mainstream in notebook PCs and its appearing in cheaper desktops, not pricey as you say. There are several PC notebooks well under $1,000 that offer blu-ray and the GPUs capable of playing back video. They also have HDMI outputs with the ability to push 8 channel LPCM out over HDMI.
And, again, blu-ray is becoming mainstream in notebooks. HP even offers a 13.3" system with blu-ray as an option.
And despite what those articles say, blu-ray is being adopted at twice the rate DVD was. Again, do some research. You'll see that blu-ray, compared to DVD at the same point in DVDs lifespan, is outpacing DVD adoption by more than double.
Wow, if you think that, then theres something wrong with your setup. Let's look at the facts here. Blu-ray has a native resolution of about 2 million pixels. DVD is just over 300,000 pixels. DVD's use MPEG-2 video encoded at an average bitrate of about 5Mbps. Older blu-rays use MPEG-2 at around 20Mbps, but modern blu-rays from about 2007 and on use H.264 or VC-1 encoded anywhere from 20-45Mbps.
Even when comparing the old MPEG-2 blu-ray discs to DVD, theres just no comparison. You're getting 3-4 times the bitrate and 6 times the resolution. More pixels with a higher bitrate will always look better.
Its actually quite funny you mention those two.
MiniDisc was quite popular in Asia. Very popular in fact, selling tens of millions. Beta was the defacto standard for professional video tape for many years after it lost the consumer market.
In the end, those two formats were very successful.
And, again, blu-ray is outpacing DVD growth by more than double.
I found this out the hard way. My wife got a 17" MBP matte option machine on Saturday and Apple dropped this bomb today.
It's not so much about the $300 price match, I expected they would do that. It's the fact that the new machine has substantially better specs. If you had configured a CTO 17" MBP yesterday with faster CPU and hard disk options it would have cost an extra $250 (it would have cost over $3100). Now this happens. Apple needs to do something extra for those of us who missed out on substantially better MBP machines (the extra hard disk space especially would be useful).
I have asked my local retail store where we bought it to not only credit us the $300 but also to throw in something extra, otherwise we might consider returning the machine we got and getting one of the new higher spec ones.
Also, the retail store was angry and flustered about not having the means to do the price fixes. Lots and lots of angry customers there wanting to know how long they were going to have to wait to get a credit.