So, what speed would your processor have to be now in order to notice a nice difference in an upgrade to the 3.06 GHz?
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Apple Releases New 15" MacBook Pro, Updates 17" MacBook Pro
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you're absolutely right. and i've just found out about the replaceable battery.
i will also overlook the 0.13 difference in GHz.
as for the larger hard drive, i don't know what difference that makes, and you seem to know better than i do, so i'll take your word for it
i consider myself lucky having been able to own the "limited" version, so to speak, albeit i could have saved $ on the new 15".
There's absolutely no advantage to having two ports, since they are both on the same bus. You get the exact same result as daisy chaining or using a FW bus. And I don't think any mac, including the mac pro, has ever had more than one FW bus.
In which case, having a second FW port would provide absolutely no advantage since they are on the same bus.
The advantage is if you own a movie on BR, you can actually watch it. Without a BR player, you have to rip it, download it, or otherwise buy it again in some other format.
I'm sure most clued up users here are aware of this which is why they'll be miffed at losing the express card slot for a pointless SD slot (WTF), and after all if you need more firewire buses on the mac pro you can grab a cheap PCIe card.
I used to have this crazy idea that part of the Pro models appeal was that it was expandable within reason, maybe it was just me.
P.S. Although daisy chaining should work 100%, some devices just plain don't like it, one of them reasons why having more than one port can be a godsend.
video/graphic is still part of apple core customer but in a marketing and business perspective why just sell to a niche market of just video/graphic pros which will sell a set number while they can also sell to the rest of the market where the majority of people are. They still have pros need in mind and know that those target audience will always come back to apple.
I'd agree with that if it wasn't for the fact that Apple no longer sell a "Pro" portable notebook.
And you managed to trim off my comments about memory space being a coupled factor. Did you read that? Your best performance rule of thumb is enabled by separating them why? You still haven't gotten to the why, you simply proclaimed a methodology but still haven't outlined what the fundalmental primary forces are.
That recommendation to separate is very likely based on old hardware and constraints. This is new hardware and looser constraints on the non-disk components (in addition to the disk components.)
For the application itself, once you have poked at the basic features you will be using the whole app should be in memory (unless you have given that a small budget). Likewise with GBs of application memory scratch space you won't hit the disk from that either. You have a point if the app is going to drag in GBs of application library data while editing but besides that where is the heavy disk pressure coming from your app? In the past when memories were smaller, the hard drive bus speed was 1/2 as fast on a laptop, 1/2 as many cores, and a few other constraints. I can see the app tapping the disk for code and/or libraries much more often so would have a recommendation to separate them (data and app disk).
Likewise if inbound streams of both audio and video and outbound to two/three disks at the same time, can see you have will run into constraints. However, suspect there are far more people who aren't cramming a MacPro worth of work into a laptop.
Recording isn't too hard on disks if there isn't much else going on with the disk. Most of that should be a set of sequential writes if the app/OS code is doing the job sensibly. Doing a bunch of non linear edits from 2-3 sources which writes a new stream of data will be. How many people do both concurrently if on a tight budget on a laptop?
What trying to get at is that folks may be looking at fixed workflows and/or methodologies that were formulated under different constraints. Yes the ExpressCard gives you more flexibility. Need an external RAID drive array? Sure, can see that too gets blocked. But before folks declare it is impossible to do, should at least be able to outline what is driving that as opposed to I can't used what I used in the past. New tech comes along and often there are viable substitutes. You'll never see them if constantly look in the rearview mirror.
it's pretty simple to me, in typical apple fashion, they are forcing users to move upwards. first with the matte option and now the expresscard slot, expect a lot more 17" MBPs in the field from now on.
'Pro' is just marketing speak, don't get hung up on it. only idiots buy a computer because it has a word in it's name. you buy what you need and apple has always done its best to make you buy the most expensive model, they're just taking it to the next level.
portability by damned.
'Pro' is just marketing speak, don't get hung up on it. only idiots buy a computer because it has a word in it's name. you buy what you need and apple has always done its best to make you buy the most expensive model, they're just taking it to the next level.
portability by damned.
Thats true the reason I bought macbook pro because of Firewire and expresscard. But if that avail on macbook 13 inch I should got the 13inch instead
Yes it will and faster than DVDs did. Customers are stunned at the picture quality when they see a Blu-ray movie with a Klipsch Icon system on a 50" Sony XBR or Samsung 800 series.
Look man, we're not making this up. You can't keep your source footage (video or audio) on the same drive you are running the program on. Yes it's an old workflow but it still is true. I had this happen recently on a new mac pro (purchased in jan 09). Whenever an intern, or (assistant editor in this case) has a timeline in Final cut crap out and drop frames on the same clip, 90% of the time the problem is the clip is on the same drive the program is on. Simply moving it to a different drive corrects the problem. Now I can not tell you the technical reasons why (just the basic reasons) but it does happen. If you want a tech reason, then I suggest you look at the forum (and articles) at creativecow.com or dviinfo.com. There are many guys over there that can explain it better than me. All I can say is what my "real world" experience is, and that is it does not work.
It is also a size issue for me, I have a drive that has over 700gb of footage just for 1 project.
I must admit when i first saw that the new MBP's were out my heart sank a bit but to be frank I actually am quite happy now. As someone here posted i almost feel that those of us with the last gen MBP almost have 'special editions' i would hate to have SD instead of Expresscard and price wise - in the uk at least - i have not done too badly
And thanks god I have a user replaceable batery. I have 3 on the go as i am frequently away from power points and i would hat to have 7 hours and then i am all out I can go for about 13 hours before I run out
I feel quite sorry for those that lost out though.
- seems like being an early adopter has actually paid off for once
must admit i do like the idea of 3.06 GHZ
And thanks god I have a user replaceable batery. I have 3 on the go as i am frequently away from power points and i would hat to have 7 hours and then i am all out I can go for about 13 hours before I run out
I feel quite sorry for those that lost out though.
- seems like being an early adopter has actually paid off for once
must admit i do like the idea of 3.06 GHZ
Apple really missed the mark by dropping the ExpressCard slot.
In Europe, lots of users connect to the internet using a wireless 3G Express card as their ONLY means to connect to the internet -- there is no home DSL, WiFi, or other internet around for many people.
Furthermore, while the latest 3G wireless devices come in the form of USB sticks, most people are locked into 2-year agreements using their 3G ExpressCards before they are eligible to upgrade to a 3G USB stick.
Hence, just for simple internet access an ExpressCard slot is absolutely required for a huge number of people across Europe. Dropping the slot now is completely unacceptable and will cost Apple dearly since their MBPs are not a viable option for most everyone in Europe anymore.
In Europe, lots of users connect to the internet using a wireless 3G Express card as their ONLY means to connect to the internet -- there is no home DSL, WiFi, or other internet around for many people.
Furthermore, while the latest 3G wireless devices come in the form of USB sticks, most people are locked into 2-year agreements using their 3G ExpressCards before they are eligible to upgrade to a 3G USB stick.
Hence, just for simple internet access an ExpressCard slot is absolutely required for a huge number of people across Europe. Dropping the slot now is completely unacceptable and will cost Apple dearly since their MBPs are not a viable option for most everyone in Europe anymore.
17" rules now
Ok so it's bigger than the 15", but let's be realistic here, we are talking 1.1" wider, .75" deeper and a little more than a pound more. It's the same weight as my old PowerBook G3!
To me having 1900x1200 screen res allows more room for pallets and tools in programs I use as well as being able to see larger photos. There is 25% more space on both the horizontal and vertical edges.
And it still has the express slot and is now $300 cheaper than yesterday!
So why is everyone not jumping up and down over this?
Do you think the 2.8ghz 15" ($2299) is going to be better/faster than the 2.8ghz 17" ($2499)???
Ok so it's bigger than the 15", but let's be realistic here, we are talking 1.1" wider, .75" deeper and a little more than a pound more. It's the same weight as my old PowerBook G3!
To me having 1900x1200 screen res allows more room for pallets and tools in programs I use as well as being able to see larger photos. There is 25% more space on both the horizontal and vertical edges.
And it still has the express slot and is now $300 cheaper than yesterday!
So why is everyone not jumping up and down over this?
Do you think the 2.8ghz 15" ($2299) is going to be better/faster than the 2.8ghz 17" ($2499)???
Express Card slot
There are a lot of people i know who NEED an express card slot and they all use their macbook pros for professional audio applications. I was planning on buying one of the new MBP 15" models. but now I can't. Apple has lost me as a new buyer - sadly, I'm sure they don't really care.
There are a lot of people i know who NEED an express card slot and they all use their macbook pros for professional audio applications. I was planning on buying one of the new MBP 15" models. but now I can't. Apple has lost me as a new buyer - sadly, I'm sure they don't really care.
Thank you for speaking for those of us that want Blu-Ray support! I don't have time to write this all out. It should at least be an option. If licensing is an issue, then charge a premium for those that want it. I'd pay it. Otherwise, I'm not buying a Mac again.
Really Now?
I mean come one. Who goes out and buys a computer the day before a potential release. You can't get upset with Apple, you should have waited. How is a company supposed to operate if their customers expect them to always give them a deal after the fact? Would you buy a TV from Besy Buy on a saturday?? NO, you would wait 1 day, and see fi it goes on sale on Sunday. If you bought a macbook on sat, than thats your problem. Apple doens't owe you anythgin, so you should be happy that you are even getting a discount. Anger toward them si silly, you should be HAPPY that you are getting a discount. Buyer Beware
I mean come one. Who goes out and buys a computer the day before a potential release. You can't get upset with Apple, you should have waited. How is a company supposed to operate if their customers expect them to always give them a deal after the fact? Would you buy a TV from Besy Buy on a saturday?? NO, you would wait 1 day, and see fi it goes on sale on Sunday. If you bought a macbook on sat, than thats your problem. Apple doens't owe you anythgin, so you should be happy that you are even getting a discount. Anger toward them si silly, you should be HAPPY that you are getting a discount. Buyer Beware
Well although I want a 3/4 expresscard, I prefer a $300 price drop, in addition to a free ipod, and a printer rebate, I am saving hundreds! BluRay would be amazing, but not a deal breaker. I am not upset at all.
Upgraded screen, integrated 7hr battery, official 8GB RAM support, firewire 800 return!!! All good things.
I only have 2 USBs now and thats always been enough. I've never needed a an epresscard, but itd be nice to use with esata, althoguh at least i have firewire 800 now.
Lack of Express Card slot is a HUGE slap to Apples own community of Final Cut and Logic users. Not to mention the MANY other uses and users of Express Card peripherals. Glad I have a 15er with it. Its a collectors item now!!!
I understand the 13in not having it but dropping it from the 15's is a JOKE! A SD card reader is a simple thing to add with a peripheral! via Express Card, USB.
Not worthy of the Pro in the name at all! ITS A JOKE!
I understand the 13in not having it but dropping it from the 15's is a JOKE! A SD card reader is a simple thing to add with a peripheral! via Express Card, USB.
Not worthy of the Pro in the name at all! ITS A JOKE!
well, a lot of us who bought the 17" MBP now had no clue that the 17" would be refreshed. Let's be honest here: the 17" MBP came out only a few months ago! Who would have expected that to have been refreshed? I did my research before buying and there were no hints, especially since the update was minor. Apple employees in the stores have had a hard time dealing with this too, because usually they would know if a refresh would come. This whole new MBP line screwed up everybody and screwed over buyers! The MB Unibody and the MBP 15" were due for refreshes, but the 17" was a gigantic bomb.
Looking on the bright side though, the difference between say a 2.93 GHz and a 3.06 GHz is pretty hard to tell. The hard drive size? Well, that would make me angry because I wanted the highest they got and that was 320 GB.
It's not a matter about being angry, it's a matter about people buying too early and getting screwed over by the WWDC because nobody expected the MBPs. Everyone expected iPhone 3GS, iPhone Software 3.0, and Snow Leopard. To me? It's whatever. I'm just going to call customer relations and ask them what they can do for me. Apple has been great with them for the longest time and I'm sure I'll be able to get compensation. I mean, I'm a college student. I need all the money I can get!
Hi everyone, I bought a MBP 17'' 2.93 ghz on May 30 2009 and I received it last friday June 5 2009. I opened my Safari this evening and I saw on Macrumors that Apple have updated the new MacBook Pro 17'' to 3.06ghz with a better HDD than mine.. So I called Apple Care to have some explanations and to have the information to return my MBP because I want to have the updated one..but they charge me 10% of the cost of my MBP + the shipping fees or a 500$ credit ! I took the 500$ credit because I think that it was a good deal! tell me what you think about it!