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Apple Releases New iMacs

iFizz said:
Did anyone say we wanted Woz as a marketer? No. Go back and read the post where I said Jobs and Woz complimented each other in the early days. Jobs for his business sense. Woz for keeping Jobs from turning into a dictator. Woz provided democratic balance. He was "everyman's" advocate. Checks and balances, my friend.
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And since when Woz is a check and a balance to Jobs? They are friends but Jobs does NOT follow Woz's advice when it comes to marketing and product lines.

p.s.: this just in: the iMacs use Santa Rosa with some changes, Intel has confirmed.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/04/28/imac.cpu.origins/
 
JPark said:
I agree that the company needs Steve's vision, but you can't possibly think that the company hasn't had its missteps since his return. I'm glad to have him back, but I'm not blind to the company's current weakness. The hockey puck is still too recent a memory. :)
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As is the Mighty mouse whose scroll ball ceased to function within 90 days.
 
BRLawyer said:
And since when Woz is a check and a balance to Jobs? They are friends but Jobs does NOT follow Woz's advice when it comes to marketing and product lines.
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Ok, you do remember the early days right? When it was just a tiny company making great machines? That's when it worked best. They were business partners...co-founders. Jobs took care of the business and Woz took care of the product line. They had to work together...checks and balances...no one person with too much control of the business.
When the company was falling apart a few years back, I would have to say it was 180 degrees opposite of where the company is right now. Now, it appears to me that Apple needs to lighten up a little bit, stop sucking up to the shareholders, and listen a little bit more (just a little bit!) to their LOYAL CUSTOMERS!

And how do you know who's advice Jobs follows? He could be taking advice from the Dalai Llama for all we know. :p
 
BRLawyer said:
Apple is about ADDING value and showing it to the customer, like the unequaled integrated value we see in iMacs now...and not about selling what every bakery in every corner already has.
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Value is a subjective term. If it doesn't meet the needs of the consumer, the value isn't the same to them as it is to you. There is no such thing as a perfect computer. Every one makes trade offs depending on the needs of the intended audience.
 
thadoggfather said:
is the new iMac significantly faster than current Penryn MBP's?
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hellz yeah.

maybe not the 2.4 by a huge margin, but the 2.8 kinda kills because of the RAM and montevina stuff, the 2.66 beats by a little bit, and the 3.06 will kill any mobile processor in its path as of 04/28/08 5 PM EST
 
iFizz said:
Ok, you do remember the early days right? When it was just a tiny company making great machines? That's when it worked best. They were business partners...co-founders. Jobs took care of the business and Woz took care of the product line. The had to work together...checks and balances...no one person with too much control of the business.
When the company was falling apart a few years back, I would have to say it was 180 degrees opposite of where the company is right now. Now, it appears to me that Apple needs to lighten up a little bit, stop sucking up to the shareholders, and listen a little bit more (just a little bit!) to their LOYAL CUSTOMERS!
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Jobs and Woz are yin and yang. A computer must be an easy-to-use appliance, but because a computer is the ultimate general-purpose device, it must also be an extensible platform. Jobs represents the first, Woz the second. The Apple II - Apple's breadwinner through all the years when it was financing Jobs' failures of the Lisa and Apple /// - fulfilled both of those requirements. The Mac only fulfills half of that vision, which is a big limiting factor in its growth.
 
NOT Montevina

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/04/28/imac.cpu.origins/

The 3.06GHz processor and fellow chips in Apple's new iMacs are part of a special run of Intel's existing technology rather than an early introduction of Centrino 2 technology, Intel has confirmed with Electronista. Although the processors match the same core clock rates and 1,066MHz system bus speeds as those for the upcoming platform, the processors are now known to be unlisted speed grades that include special support for the faster bus speeds (up from 800MHz).

The top 3.06GHz chip, which boosts past the 2.8GHz official speed of current models, demands 55 watts of power at its thermal design limits and is designed for "mobile on desktop" systems, such as large gaming notebooks and crossover PCs. The energy draw and resulting heat rule the current processor out of more typical notebook designs. Current processors top out at 45 watts, with most consuming 35 watts or less. The upcoming Centrino 2-era processors will consume 25W and 35W in most models when they arrive in June, Intel adds.

The mainboard remains based on the same "Santa Rosa" chipset as for earlier iMacs and MacBooks.

Apple has a history of using off-specification processors for many of its computers based on Intel platforms. The company was the first to use a 3GHz Xeon 5300 in its Mac Pro workstation and also used a 2.8GHz Core 2 Extreme in the first aluminum iMac. Its highest-profile example is the use of a limited ultramobile CPU in the MacBook Air that uses packaging technology from Centrino 2 with a current-generation processor core, permitting it to use just 20W of energy while still running at 1.6GHz.
 
iFizz said:
Ok, you do remember the early days right? When it was just a tiny company making great machines? That's when it worked best. They were business partners...co-founders. Jobs took care of the business and Woz took care of the product line. The had to work together...checks and balances...no one person with too much control of the business.
When the company was falling apart a few years back, I would have to say it was 180 degrees opposite of where the company is right now. Now, it appears to me that Apple needs to lighten up a little bit, stop sucking up to the shareholders, and listen a little bit more (just a little bit!) to their LOYAL CUSTOMERS!

And how do you know who's advice Jobs follows? He could be taking advice from the Dalai Llama for all we know. :p
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Sorry, but Apple is not a 2-man garage play anymore...it's a behemoth sitting on 20 billion dollars. And Woz was never the single product man there, although he really helped in the Apple II line...there was a lot more people doing genius work for Apple, such as Hertzfeld and Atkinson.

Apple is indeed light and responsive to customers' demands...otherwise it would NOT reform Stacks in 10.5.2; it would NOT offer NVIDIA now; it would NOT launch a superthin notebook called MacBook Air.

I actually don't know ANY other company that comes close to Apple in terms of answering customers. They REALLY get your feedback. As for the fabled midtower, maybe it's just not requested ENOUGH, sorry...

And no, Woz does NOT work in a corporation that needs to evolve all the time...he would be great for thinking of whizbang gadgets in his big room and spending R&D money for little more than nothing...I'd rather have him in a sort of social responsibility or charity role; he would be awesome at that. Wheels of Zeus anyone? :rolleyes:
 
BRLawyer said:
And since when Woz is a check and a balance to Jobs? They are friends but Jobs does NOT follow Woz's advice when it comes to marketing and product lines.

p.s.: this just in: the iMacs use Santa Rosa with some changes, Intel has confirmed.

http://www.electronista.com/articles/08/04/28/imac.cpu.origins/
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Well, I guess changes mean a lot of changes since not only do the processors need to be binned to support a 1066MHz FSB, but they binned from 6MB parts with no 3MB parts like the 2.4GHz Penryn usually has. The chipset would also need to be specially binned to support a 1066MHz FSB and DDR2 800 SODIMMs. For Intel to do all this work, which nearly amounts to a new mobile platform only 2 months before Montevina, likely means they have extremely good yields on the Santa Rosa platform.
 
BRLawyer said:
Apple had the MOST powerful machines of the market back then, when PowerPC still kicked Intel's ass...and believe me, there was something for everyone...but that was it...TOO MUCH being sold, so that people had no idea what to buy...or that Apple wasn't ready to sell as many units of the models that people REALLY wanted, leading to ridiculous inventory problems...the original PowerBook line was just one of them; the BEST notebooks which sold as easily water...but a failure in the end because Apple underestimated the demand for them.
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Here's another take: (from what I've read) Mac desktops were actually selling well enough back then. Mac market-share was reaching some 10-to-12% on a regular basis. The problem was that most of these sales were going to cheaper Mac clones, not Apple Macs. So Jobs shut down the entire Mac-clone industry, then gave us the upgradeable Cube. Nice piece of kit & everything, but far too pricey for most consumers when compared to upgradeable PCs. So the Cube failed & Jobs' won't risk making the same mistake again.

As others have said, Apple can get away with their premium prices on relatively niche hardware, but they have to avoid direct competition with consumer-priced desktop PCs (as good as OS X is!). Hence, there's unlikely to ever again be an upgradeable consumer-priced Mac, much to my regret.
 
Which Chips Are These?

I am really confused... Which chips are these?

Please Help,
TheYankees1903 :apple:

P.S. Does it pay to wait until it goes Quad-Core?
P.P.S. Could I buy a Quad-Core chip that Apple supports with the Mac Pro and replace it myself?
 
New Imac Screen

I am curious why Apple did not give you the option of a non-glossy screen, that is what prevented me from buying the previous version.
 
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