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Apple Releases New iMacs

samaaron said:
I am curious why Apple did not give you the option of a non-glossy screen, that is what prevented me from buying the previous version.
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I am sick of this question


its part of the design, it requires glossy, if you want, you can lay anti glare coating over the glass, if thats possible.
 
dernhelm said:
amen brother! Now I have to figure out what I want to replace it with. What did you do? Logitech seems to be my latest best choice. (not to hijack the thread or anything) 😉
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I know the feeling. I have my old, but Kensington Optical Elite hooked up. Actually bought the thing for my G3. I miss the side scroll ability, but at least the scrolling works which is more than I can say for a certain first party mouse.

davebarnes said:
Processor.
You can always add RAM later.
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And its much cheaper to do so.
 
TheYankees1903 said:
I am really confused... Which chips are these?

Please Help,
TheYankees1903 :apple:

P.S. Does it pay to wait until it goes Quad-Core?
P.P.S. Could I buy a Quad-Core chip that Apple supports with the Mac Pro and replace it myself?
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Well, what chips these are is kind of irrelevent since regardless of Santa Rosa or Montevina, the CPUs are still Penryn and are architecturally identical. The only CPU difference between Santa Rosa and Montevina performance-wise is the 1066MHz FSB. So a special 1066MHz FSB Penryn on a Santa Rosa platform is just as good as a "true" 1066MHz Penryn on the Montevina platform. Montevina would have also supported DDR3, but would have also added DDR2 800, so again Santa Rosa with DDR2 800 support is pretty close to Montevina. The newer chipset in the Montevina might have a few more optimizations, but chipsets rarely lead to big performance differentiation so a 1066MHz Santa Rosa iMac is not really a big loss.

In terms of Quad-Core, there will be a mobile Extreme Edition Quad Core for the Montevina platform. It'll only run at 2.53GHz though, so other than media intensive tasks, a 3.06GHz dual core will likely be faster. If you are going to wait for the quad core though, you'll likely be waiting a while since Apple won't be refreshing to Montevina soon, if this revision is indeed Santa Rosa based. If the iMac is indeed Montevina already, then they may decide to add the quad core Extreme Edition as a BTO option when it's launched.
 
BRLawyer said:
Sorry, but Apple is not a 2-man garage play anymore...it's a behemoth sitting on 20 billion dollars. And Woz was never the single product man there, although he really helped in the Apple II line...there was a lot more people doing genius work for Apple, such as Hertzfeld and Atkinson.

Apple is indeed light and responsive to customers' demands...otherwise it would NOT reform Stacks in 10.5.2; it would NOT offer NVIDIA now; it would NOT launch a superthin notebook called MacBook Air.

I actually don't know ANY other company that comes close to Apple in terms of answering customers. They REALLY get your feedback. As for the fabled midtower, maybe it's just not requested ENOUGH, sorry...

And no, Woz does NOT work in a corporation that needs to evolve all the time...he would be great for thinking of whizbang gadgets in his big room and spending R&D money for little more than nothing...I'd rather have him in a sort of social responsibility or charity role; he would be awesome at that. Wheels of Zeus anyone? 🙄
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You're right. Apple has come a long way from the garage days. And yes, they listen to some things. In the end it's Steve's company to do with as he pleases. I just hope he still has a "Woz" keeping him in check with his humanitarian and Zen side.
 
auburnfan24 said:
so how likely is it that the mini will be updated tomorrow? or soon at all?? im needing a mini BAD!! i dont want to buy one today and see a new update tomorrow or 10 days later. input?
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Last Release - August 07, 2007
Days Since Update - 265 (Avg = 188)

Might as well wait for the update at this point. You'll hate yourself for not waiting a bit longer.
 
Graphics upgrade only good for games?

I think some others might have already commented on this, but with the new NVIDIA graphics update / option, will this mainly or only improve gaming performance, or will photo and video editing also see a significant boost? The reason I ask is because I am mainly interested in the latter (photo and video work), and if this upgrade will boost performance in this category, then I might bite (so to speak). On the other hand, I am not so much interested in gaming for now. Thanks.
 
BenRoethig said:
He figured the wow factor and OSX would be enough to sell it.
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Guess he didn't learn anything from the CUBE! Which in reality was the first generation Mini. The small form factor will compute with the mainstream only after other corporations will have yet again have ridden Apple R&D's coat tails to market; and by that time Apple will be unveiling yet another insanely cool product just beyond the current mainstream ability to Grok it. But they are catching up...
(and yes, and I was a sophomore as well when I read that book)

What I do wonder is why Apple walked away from the ergonomic keyboard. I've used one since they were available (apple split key) and now must resort to finding 3rd party products for over $150 that don't complete me.
 
Form factor doesn't matter if your OS is crap.
And the opposite is also true.
So, as long as OS X rocks, Apple can pretty much get away with whatever they want in terms of hardware. If Jobs wants glossy screens, or no mid-tower, or an overpriced MacMini, he can have it and people will still buy iMacs and MacMinis because when it all boils down, we love OS X.
 
commander.data said:
Well, what chips these are is kind of irrelevent since regardless of Santa Rosa or Montevina, the CPUs are still Penryn and are architecturally identical. The only CPU difference between Santa Rosa and Montevina performance-wise is the 1066MHz FSB. So a special 1066MHz FSB Penryn on a Santa Rosa platform is just as good as a "true" 1066MHz Penryn on the Montevina platform. Montevina would have also supported DDR3, but would have also added DDR2 800, so again Santa Rosa with DDR2 800 support is pretty close to Montevina. The newer chipset in the Montevina might have a few more optimizations, but chipsets rarely lead to big performance differentiation so a 1066MHz Santa Rosa iMac is not really a big loss.

In terms of Quad-Core, there will be a mobile Extreme Edition Quad Core for the Montevina platform. It'll only run at 2.53GHz though, so other than media intensive tasks, a 3.06GHz dual core will likely be faster. If you are going to wait for the quad core though, you'll likely be waiting a while since Apple won't be refreshing to Montevina soon, if this revision is indeed Santa Rosa based. If the iMac is indeed Montevina already, then they may decide to add the quad core Extreme Edition as a BTO option when it's launched.
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The thing is Montevina consists of 3 elements, CPU, Chipset and wi-fi adapter. Apple is usign Atheros Wi-Fi, so Intel's interpretation is out of the question for now.

Yes these chips are given to Apple exclusively. They are "Penryn" core with 1066Mhz FSB and 6MB of L2-cache along the entire line ( Remember that 800Mhz first batch of Penryn processors had some entry level chips with 3MB L2, i.e. entry level MB)

Montevina has Intel's PM45 Mobile chipset, capable of supporting 667/800Mhz DDR2 and 800/1066Mhz DDR3. thinking that even DDR3-DIMMs are way too expensive and offer no significant performance, Apple decided to go with fastest DDR2 support that PM45 is yet to give, 800Mhz SO-DIMMs.

This means that xx45 Chipset is out. The only quastion is whether GMA X4500 on the embedded version of this chipset (GM45) is ready or not. Considering the rumors of design changes in MB line, MB will get this new GMA with it's design change. (And after this, all Mac line will be HD ready, and there will be nothing to stop Apple to start offering BDR Drives, except the HDCP support on the ancient ACD line)

So, Montevina is here, iMac was the first to get it, Hopefully with the introduction of X4500, Mac Mini and Macbook will get it with brand new designs... Lets not forget MBP, too.

P.S. AFAIK, Montevina's Extreme edition offering is the 3.06Ghz version. There will be no quad-core Mobile processor in Montevina, but there will be one in Calpella, which is due Q1-2009, with the introdution of Nehalem Architecture.
 
paulemann said:
some folks had incompatabilities with the latest firewirechipset,
would you check that component in the system profiler for me?
go about this mac, more, hardware, firewire to see the manufacturer
code. would be cool. thanks.
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Sorry man it only says 'Maximum Speed: Up to 800MB/sec' and nothing about any manufacturer.
 
stevol said:
I think some others might have already commented on this, but with the new NVIDIA graphics update / option, will this mainly or only improve gaming performance, or will photo and video editing also see a significant boost?
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Apps that use the GPU will see improvement. Apple's Motion and Pixelmator come to mind. Video editing apps generally don't use GPU power. I don't believe the Adobe CS3 suite does either.
 
In this article speculating about Montevina in the context of MBPs....

http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3246&p=2

They say:

"The Mobile GM45/47 chipsets are an integral part of Montevina and will feature the new GMA X4500HD graphics core. The X4500HD will add full hardware H.264 decode acceleration, so Apple could begin shipping MacBook Pros with Blu-ray drives after the Montevina upgrade without them being a futile addition. With full hardware H.264 decode acceleration your CPU would be somewhere in the 0 - 10% range of utilization while watching a high definition movie, allowing you to watch a 1080p movie while on battery power."

So does anyone have a clue whether the new iMacs can do H.264 decoding in hardware like this, leaving the CPU free?
 
occamsrazor said:
In this article speculating about Montevina in the context of MBPs....

http://www.anandtech.com/mac/showdoc.aspx?i=3246&p=2

They say:

"The Mobile GM45/47 chipsets are an integral part of Montevina and will feature the new GMA X4500HD graphics core. The X4500HD will add full hardware H.264 decode acceleration, so Apple could begin shipping MacBook Pros with Blu-ray drives after the Montevina upgrade without them being a futile addition. With full hardware H.264 decode acceleration your CPU would be somewhere in the 0 - 10% range of utilization while watching a high definition movie, allowing you to watch a 1080p movie while on battery power."

So does anyone have a clue whether the new iMacs can do H.264 decoding in hardware like this, leaving the CPU free?
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iMacs have been doing this since day one. They do NOT have integrated graphics, please research more before asking something that does not make sense.
 
Anaxarxes said:
...Calpella...
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I hereby decree this to be the earliest mention of the next chipset ever: THE DAY OF THE CURRENT CHIPSET RELEASE.

Pre-release of current chipset does not count (i.e., mentions of Nehalem Mac Pros before the Penryn ones came out. I did that a lot.)
 
Tallest Skil said:
I hereby decree this to be the earliest mention of the next chipset ever: THE DAY OF THE CURRENT CHIPSET RELEASE.

Pre-release of current chipset does not count (i.e., mentions of Nehalem Mac Pros before the Penryn ones came out. I did that a lot.)
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🙂

The Codename of Calpella is known, so why not talk?
 
willcodejavafor said:
Sorry man it only says 'Maximum Speed: Up to 800MB/sec' and nothing about any manufacturer.
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ah oh well, i forgot its not that easy. when booting with verbosemode enabled
(cmd+v during restart) theres a notice about the chipset somewhere.
no harm to your machine done. its either agere or texas instruments (TI).
this would be a very useful information
i could forward to other boards. thanks again.
 
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