Well, the french Apple Store shows the 12" iBook at EUR 877,09Jo-Kun said:
(excl. tax) which translates into USD 1052, i.e., +$ 53, so it's
not that bad. (EUR 1 = USD 1.2, an hour ago).
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(excl. tax) which translates into USD 1052, i.e., +$ 53, so it's
not that bad. (EUR 1 = USD 1.2, an hour ago).
more price rises....
The BTO options on the Superdrive, Airport Extreme & extra HD space have increased in price in the UK.
It is just unviable to buy the lower model now.
again.....thanks apple!!
The BTO options on the Superdrive, Airport Extreme & extra HD space have increased in price in the UK.
It is just unviable to buy the lower model now.
again.....thanks apple!!
I'm happy with iBook upgrade
Notice that the iBook can now be upgraded to max 1.5 MB Ram, whereas the PB can be maxed out only to 1.25?
How can one now justify the price difference of buying a PB 12" over the iBook 12"?
Notice that the entry level eMac is the only Mac still delivered with the minimum of 256 MB Ram?
I think we will shortly see both the low end eMac and the small PB upgraded to minimum of 512 MB Ram.
Notice that the iBook can now be upgraded to max 1.5 MB Ram, whereas the PB can be maxed out only to 1.25?
How can one now justify the price difference of buying a PB 12" over the iBook 12"?
Notice that the entry level eMac is the only Mac still delivered with the minimum of 256 MB Ram?
I think we will shortly see both the low end eMac and the small PB upgraded to minimum of 512 MB Ram.
ioinc said:
yeah but there is 'thinking different' and then 'thinking different for the sake of it' even though it is obviously not better.
i don't know why people have have a prob with intel...i have a much bigger prob with moto and ibm.
Very disappointing. No GPU upgrade. If nothing else how hard would it have been to go with 4800 drives across the board.
I guess the next stop is the PowerBooks updates for me. Then again there is always Apple Expo Paris this fall. They could intro new Minis there as well.
I guess the next stop is the PowerBooks updates for me. Then again there is always Apple Expo Paris this fall. They could intro new Minis there as well.
Lancetx said:
I agree...yes, this is a small update but Apple isn't going to revamp to lineup, totally changing everything when the intel chips are coming in less than a year. i mean they finally put 512 standard in the mini lineup which was all i wanted.
joecool85 said:
Well if you are waiting this fall you should wait for Apple Expo in September. This may simply be a system refresh before people go back to school.
AlmightyG5 said:
"changing everything?" Most of expected a very modest update, something to tide us over until Intel, not anything extraordinary. The same as with the last updates for the other models: better GPU, very slight speed bump, not a massive redesign. The thing is, this "update" was less than that. They literally changed nothing. Why should I bother with a company that offers zero incentives for people to buy their current stuff when we all know new stuff will be out in a year?
AlmightyG5 said:
I agree. Apple needed to bump the base memory to 512MB, so they did.
Why should they have more extensively revised the mini when they are still selling well? Revising a product before sales drop off is just a waste of money.
Why was everyone expecting a big reworking of the Mini anyway?
Well, the 599,- model is certainly the sweet spot now. Yesterday this configuration with 512 MB RAM, AE and BT did cost about 750,-... I think it is great value for money as a low-end machine.
Man...
I'm thoroughly dissapointed in these updates. A very minor speed bump, a few added featues (SMS the only one worth considering), and bluetooth. I would not be unhappy if I were one of the individuals who picked up an iBook a week ago.
That being said, I'm in the market for a Powerbook. I was going to hold off to place my order, but for what? PERHAPS a small speed bump, and thats it. I understand Apple is going intel and all, but what happened to the "PPC products in the pipeline," Steve? Im seeing nothing new as of yet...
I'm thoroughly dissapointed in these updates. A very minor speed bump, a few added featues (SMS the only one worth considering), and bluetooth. I would not be unhappy if I were one of the individuals who picked up an iBook a week ago.
That being said, I'm in the market for a Powerbook. I was going to hold off to place my order, but for what? PERHAPS a small speed bump, and thats it. I understand Apple is going intel and all, but what happened to the "PPC products in the pipeline," Steve? Im seeing nothing new as of yet...
AlmightyG5 said:
How hard would it have been to drop a 5400 RPM drive in the thing? Answer: Zero effort. Seriously. Price differences alone don't even really play a factor. A 4800 and a 5400 drive are pretty much the same. Performance wise though they are drastically different esp when you consider Spotlight and how it works. The Mac mini was designed for Panther in mind. Not tiger. Between the lack of GPU supporting a few of tiger's feature, the lacking of RAM (That is fixed thank god.), and the hard drive speed which impacts spotlight its a wonder that Apple didn't just leave Panther on the mini as its standard OS. (OK that is somewhat overstating the case but still....
)Bleh
I have to agree with most folks here...Apple really sh*t the bed with this update.
For those who say, "what do you expect with Intel coming?", I say consider this: the Mini, when introduced, matched (or beat) the eMac in specs - esp. RAM, processor, GPU. On paper (if not physically), they were the same machine; if you want a CRT and speakers, get an eMac, if not, Mini. Thus, having upgraded the eMac to an ATI 9600/64MB standard in May, it stands to reason the Mini would continue to match it. If nothing else, Tiger/Core Image requiring a higher-end graphics card would support this.
For those who say, "the Mini is for switchers, they just want something little to do their email," I say, not hardly. I'm looking to make my first big Mac purchase in 7 years (the beige G3 lasted this long!); and above all else, I'd love to reclaim all my desk space (and don't like the iMac design). That's where the eMac falls down, but the Mini shines. If they put a pro-line system into a Mini package for 2 grand, I'd buy it. I just think the size factor is logically where computers are (should be) going.
I was looking forward to a tricked-out Mini with a 20" Cinema display - and probably would have bought an Intel one and run them side by side. Instead, I have to continue to sacrifice my desk and get an eMac; and Apple probably loses an extra $300-400 on this sale alone. The VRAM's the killer: I want to play some games (as I'm sure many switchers do!), and I need to know this OS - let alone the next build - is fully supported.
This "new" Mini is the model Apple should have sold from the start. Unfortunately, I can't wait another 6 months for them to catch up with the curve. Not that I think we'll see another update before Intel, though; this really is a "back-to school"-timed event, and even with Macworld in January, the transition will by then be too close to warrant a major revision.
I have to agree with most folks here...Apple really sh*t the bed with this update.
For those who say, "what do you expect with Intel coming?", I say consider this: the Mini, when introduced, matched (or beat) the eMac in specs - esp. RAM, processor, GPU. On paper (if not physically), they were the same machine; if you want a CRT and speakers, get an eMac, if not, Mini. Thus, having upgraded the eMac to an ATI 9600/64MB standard in May, it stands to reason the Mini would continue to match it. If nothing else, Tiger/Core Image requiring a higher-end graphics card would support this.
For those who say, "the Mini is for switchers, they just want something little to do their email," I say, not hardly. I'm looking to make my first big Mac purchase in 7 years (the beige G3 lasted this long!); and above all else, I'd love to reclaim all my desk space (and don't like the iMac design). That's where the eMac falls down, but the Mini shines. If they put a pro-line system into a Mini package for 2 grand, I'd buy it. I just think the size factor is logically where computers are (should be) going.
I was looking forward to a tricked-out Mini with a 20" Cinema display - and probably would have bought an Intel one and run them side by side. Instead, I have to continue to sacrifice my desk and get an eMac; and Apple probably loses an extra $300-400 on this sale alone. The VRAM's the killer: I want to play some games (as I'm sure many switchers do!), and I need to know this OS - let alone the next build - is fully supported.
This "new" Mini is the model Apple should have sold from the start. Unfortunately, I can't wait another 6 months for them to catch up with the curve. Not that I think we'll see another update before Intel, though; this really is a "back-to school"-timed event, and even with Macworld in January, the transition will by then be too close to warrant a major revision.
Yvan256 said:Apple gives you an extra 256MB for free in the base model and you people still complain.
Uh, six months of waiting for an extra 256MB of memory? You really are the definition of an Apple-apologist if you think this is a good update. How is the Mac mini going to lure PC users to switch? It's not. They were already complaining it was outdated. They didn't update the GPU which is the one thing that truely needed to be updated. It still has the same 4x Superdrive without DL support which even the eMac has. The only things they changed were things the buyer could change on their own already. Actually, they left out the modem even though (despite what people think) most people still have dial-up.
The iBook update was lame too but at least that was an actual update. It got the GPU upgraded to be Core Image compatible, a faster Superdrive albeit without DL support and a 100GB hard drive as a build-to-order option. The Mac mini got none of these things.
Lets face it, the Mac mini is done. This is just enough to get rid of the extra stock that's been piling up. Obviously it has been a poor seller for Apple and will be dropped. I doubt there will ever be an Intel based model.
oh well, it makes my current 1.42 mini with 512RAM equal to the " updated model" . what do you really expect? the Mini does what its supposed to do, and does it well. I really havent found myself saying " I want more" out of this mini. BUt my needs are pretty minimal.
oh well
trout
oh well
trout
1984 said:
the modem is standard in the UK and statistically most people use broadband here. apple have it the wrong way around...
What is Apple telling us with these updates?
Apple is saying a lot or at least opening up a lot of questions with this very minor update to the ibook and mini.
- Should we expect any significant G4 or G5 HW updates before Intel machines arrive? IMHO - No. Whatever we get between now and Intel will be very minor.
- Apple must be expending all of their significant HW resources on Intel
- I expect Intel machines at Macworld SF - Apple cannot afford to continue with minor updates and expect to keep HW sales at a decent level.
Apple is saying a lot or at least opening up a lot of questions with this very minor update to the ibook and mini.
- Should we expect any significant G4 or G5 HW updates before Intel machines arrive? IMHO - No. Whatever we get between now and Intel will be very minor.
- Apple must be expending all of their significant HW resources on Intel
- I expect Intel machines at Macworld SF - Apple cannot afford to continue with minor updates and expect to keep HW sales at a decent level.
1984 said:
True: What the Mobility RADEON 9550 really is, is a Mobility RADEON 9600 GPU; the same one as you find in the desktop RADEON 9600, as they share the same M10 RV350 core. It is the first mobile platform GPU from ATI to support DirectX 9.
These are the requirements needed for Core Image to offload processing from the CPU to the GPU.
$MacUser$ said:
What ever happened to year of the laptop? What ever happened to year of HD? What ever happened to the 3Ghz...OK that wasn't Jobs's fault....my point is he's a pin stripes, straw hat salesman. He didn't say which systems were getting new PPC hardware did he? There was a reason for this. If you are in the market for a PowerBook you have two realistic options.
-Get one now.
-Wait until the Intel PowerBooks come out next spring.
I wouldn't count on any major upgrade to the PPC in the PowerBook. Best case would be Freescale this Fall with a drop in replacement chip and even that is going to see negligible performance simply from the standpoint that the FSB is bottlenecking the CPU right now. Not sure if the system board in the PowerBooks can overclock any further and even if they could Im guessing they would run insanely hot. Who knows. If nothing else its going to be interesting to watch Apples strategy unfold over the next 8 months.
I've seen reports saying the Mini's sales have been disappointing, and others saying the Mini's selling like hotcakes. If the former, I could agree with 1984's comments about this rev. being just to move stagnant hardware.
BUT...the Cube was a different machine, at a different price point, for a different market, in a different sales model. If Apple's trying to go mainstream, you don't get rid of the machine best suited to do that.
(...although I still think Apple's shooting itself in the foot for looking only at that market & not at its base with a competent, tiny computer. I don't have room for a G5 tower, and the iMac design - and problems - blech. But throw power into a small package, and I'll pay a premium).
BUT...the Cube was a different machine, at a different price point, for a different market, in a different sales model. If Apple's trying to go mainstream, you don't get rid of the machine best suited to do that.
(...although I still think Apple's shooting itself in the foot for looking only at that market & not at its base with a competent, tiny computer. I don't have room for a G5 tower, and the iMac design - and problems - blech. But throw power into a small package, and I'll pay a premium).