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Sure it COULD happen. But I really don't see it happening. And when was the öast time it happened? It was in the early version of OS X. I believe 10.1 and 10.2 were free updates? After that, each update has cost money.

Well it isn't so much that the releases were free upgrades, a lot of it has to do with Apple wanting to immediately move new hardware and not having it held up by people waiting for a low profit OS.

Apple makes a very strong margin on hardware sales but makes little or nothing off of OSX. OSX is the gold ticket that moves Apple hardware and makes it unique.

Apple has recently updated the Mac Pro, MacBook, now the MBP and rumor has it new hardware (iMac?) at WWDC. Apple doesn't want high margin hardware setting on the shelf waiting for a low margin OS.

The reason it will happen after WWDC is because that is where all of the new features will be demoed and the release date will be announced. Steve will almost be forced to give a release date since Apple missed the original release period for the OS.
 
In my experience, those are at best a visual deterent. My old work had locked up iBooks ripped off when we were offsite ... if a thief is determined, the laptop will disappear.

I am glad you said that. Not to mention, my department put this glue stuff on the bottom of our old G4's and G5's right before we were going to move to a new building... bright idea huh?

When it came time to move the desktops, we just pulled the glued machines right off of the cheap plywood desks, any thief could have done the same. Locks like that are just another step for the thief to take, making the thief take more time to steal something, and offering more time for the cops to catch him/her before they can escape with the loot.
 
Previous Iteration MBP

Hey all, MacMall, and I'm sure a host of other sites has predictably dropped pricing on now "old" MBPs. This pricing is, unfortunately with a rebate ... but still not too shabby.

MacMall is at $1649 for this 15" machine:

1440 x 900 resolution
2.16GHz Intel Core 2 Duo Processor
1GB DDR2 SDRAM
120GB SATA hard drive
6x double-layer SuperDrive
ATI Mobility Radeon X1600
128MB GDDR3 video memory
Built-in iSight video camera
Built-in Airport Extreme
Built-in Bluetooth 2.0+EDR
Gigabit Ethernet
Optical and Analog audio in/out
DVI or VGA video output
Built-in Dual Link DVI Support
ExpressCard/34 expansion slot
2 USB 2.0, 1 Firewire 400 Port, and 1 Firewire 800 Port
Includes infrared remote with Front Row
Mac OS X v10.4 Tiger
 
Digital Skunk said:
And if I could do it all over again... having $2000 to blow on a computer, I would have gotten a 17" iMac and a low end MacBook. My MacBook for taking notes in class like a doofus, trying to type and keep up with my professor and trying to figure out how to draw the diagram they made on the board in Pages, and a desktop at home for the video editing.
Do you really want two computers?

Digital Skunk said:
Not everyone is rich and lives in perfect. Inner city Baltimore.... not going to happen. You stuff will get stolen and you would never even know it.

Do you know why the FBI doesn't use $30 locks for their stuff? Because someone will cut right through that thing.
I'll be sure to have my MacBook Pro sitting out for all to see in that situation.

I am glad you said that. Not to mention, my department put this glue stuff on the bottom of our old G4's and G5's right before we were going to move to a new building... bright idea huh?

When it came time to move the desktops, we just pulled the glued machines right off of the cheap plywood desks, any thief could have done the same. Locks like that are just another step for the thief to take, making the thief take more time to steal something, and offering more time for the cops to catch him/her before they can escape with the loot.
How did we stumble into laptop security? This was all about the amount of video RAM. Please don't derail us again. I told you earlier that it was irrelevant.
 
iMac

The MacBook Pro and the iMac are always like brothers. The MacBook Pro gets LED backlit display, Santa Rosa, 2GB RAM Standard, and New GeForce graphics, I expect an update to the iMac very soon with these or very similar specs.
 
hey guys, this is to discuss the MBP upgrade, not MBP vs iMac ... You're BOTH right ... does that settle it?

Digital ... I'm tempted to break out "obtuse" again if need be 😛

I was so going to use "obtuse" for the guy that made me repeat everthing I said a second time, but I figured it would be too soon 😀 😀

The sad part is that we are both right, we are just arguing how right one of us is.

A sad thing.🙁
 
The MacBook Pro and the iMac are always like brothers. The MacBook Pro gets LED backlit display, Santa Rosa, 2GB RAM Standard, and New GeForce graphics, I expect an update to the iMac very soon with these or very similar specs.

indeed ... probably the WWDC update with a new form factor ... bring it!
 
Ok, I have about 30 gigs+ of music and 10 gigs+ of pictures. I have a digital slr and take a bunch of pictures. Should I go for the 160 gig/5400 rpm or the 200/4200 rpm?

I'm running with a 160GB/5400 in my PowerBook and I am happy with the performance. I have about 40GB of music and 10-15GB of photos, so we are in a similar boat. At this point, I'd take the speed over the extra 40GB. Especially knowing that there are 250GB drives out now with bigger and faster ones to be here in the next year. If I got to the point of filling up my drive, I'd store off some photo's on an external.
 
I was so going to use "obtuse" for the guy that made me repeat everthing I said a second time, but I figured it would be too soon 😀 😀

The sad part is that we are both right, we are just arguing how right one of us is.

A sad thing.🙁

Exactly ... So just let it go .. it's okay...

need a hug? 😛
 
re: performance increase relative to old models

Just researching performance gains compared to the previous iteration (as opposed to Apple's insistance on comparing against a core duo 17 inch 2.16Ghz) - the best I can do is by comparing the google cached page to the new page:

Old:
Logic pro plugins: 45% faster
Final Cut Pro DV encode & render: 39% faster
Aperture Benchmark total: 25% faster
PyMOL Multiple CPU performance: 17% faster

Now:
Logic Pro Reverb plug-ins: 55% faster
Final Cut Pro DV encode & render: 52% faster
Photoshop 45-filter function test: 39% faster
Aperture Benchmark total: 28% faster

Glad to see that LED backlit screens are global - couldn't quite believe that they'd be regional.
Now which HD should I put in my 15" 2.4Ghz machine - Am I really going to see some improvements? Barefeats' assessment has left me confused!
 
I'm running with a 160GB/5400 in my PowerBook and I am happy with the performance. I have about 40GB of music and 10-15GB of photos, so we are in a similar boat. At this point, I'd take the speed over the extra 40GB. Especially knowing that there are 250GB drives out now with bigger and faster ones to be here in the next year. If I got to the point of filling up my drive, I'd store off some photo's on an external.

Yeah, I'm probably going to get the 160GB/5400. I don't think it's worth it to pay $150 more for 160GB/7200 and have to wait 4 - 6 more weeks.
 
Do you really want two computers?

I'll be sure to have my MacBook Pro sitting out for all to see in that situation.

Really? Where.... I could use a new one. Trust me... over here at Towson University and Maryland College Park and University of Maryland Baltimore County and many others in the Collegetown Network in Maryland, DC, Virginia, and Delaware... plenty of students do exactly that.

They get up and walk away from their $1100 machines. The library at Morgan State University... a girl asks me to watch her stuff while she went to the bathroom. The entire floor was empty, no one there besides me and her. I looked over to see her stuff.

BAM!!!

17" HP laptop, just sitting there. If I were any other person... that thing would have been gone.

College students are careless... period... sh*t... I left my iBook sitting in the office of my girlfriends job... Came back five minutes later..

BAM!

iBook G4 and leather bag GONE.

And yes I want two computers. I want my MBP for on the go anything and I want the heavy lifting of a desktop when I get home. And when my laptop was on the fritz I had my back up, when my power supply on my G5 went up I had my MBP. When you freelance that is money. I am pretty sure there are better videographers and photogs out there that have way more than two... or four.
 
I have a couple questions. This will be my first Mac and I want to make sure I get the best deal possible on it.

Do I have to buy the ADC student membership separately, and then go back and buy the laptop? Or will I be able to buy everything at once?

Will I get a bigger discount on apple care using the ADC discount?

Also, my school is offering a free iPod shuffle if I buy a laptop with applecare, so this might work out better for me. If I want an iPod later I could just buy one from the store I work at and I can get 10% off of it. So I should be able to come out ahead still.

What accessories should I buy for the laptop? I am going to get a case for sure, but would I need anything else?

Should I go with the glossy or antiglare screen?

and lastly, I will for sure be able to get the free leopard upgrade if I use the ADC student discount? If I use a regular education discount I won't be able to get leopard for free correct?

Thats all I can think of for right now, thanks for any help at all!
wow man... u should pay someone to get all those questions answered 😉

1. After you buy ADC Student Membership, you need to fax in (or mail in) your current semester course schedule to get your ADC memebership approved. Once this is done (depends on you.. if you call and bug them, it can be done in less than a day... i was able to 😉) you can go ahead and order your mac online or over the phone.

2. You won't get any discount on Apple Care thru ADC

3. You should decide..

4. No comments 😉

5. Check online and this forum... u should find a lot of posts regarding this... but it is totally up to ur liking. I have glossy and love it, but wouldn't have been disappointed in anti-glare either.

6. Yes, you are correct regarding the free leopard.

thanks,
pal 🙂
 
Just wait for a service manual to appear-I'll read to see if the 15" has any new procedures.

No Turbo Memory-because OS X has no support for it, and would only be seen in Boot Camp.
 
Yeah, I'm probably going to get the 160GB/5400. I don't think it's worth it to pay $150 more for 160GB/7200 and have to wait 4 - 6 more weeks.

That 4-6 weeks is a killer for sure. Especially for those of us who have been waiting so long for these updates.

It's really cool to see that 250GB option for the 17". Next speed bump should make that available on the 15's - or is that a 12.5mm drive?
 
... Just because your friends buy a laptop, and probably will get their stolen, doesn't mean that the laptop is a better more cost effective solution for college students...

"probably" makes it sound like you've got a >50% chance of having your laptop stolen. this is far from the case. maybe it feels that way if you live in baltimore... but most people don't. i lived for years in providence and boston and never even knew anyone who was robbed of their laptop. you'd just hear stories of people who left it out in the library (moronic) and it would be gone when they got back. i agree this is an off-topic discussion that doesn't really belong here, but i just had to respond to that point. you're intent on assuming a priori that portability is not that great and that laptops will probably get stolen, but as has been pointed out, both assumptions are false.
 
wow man... u should pay someone to get all those questions answered 😉

1. After you buy ADC Student Membership, you need to fax in (or mail in) your current semester course schedule to get your ADC memebership approved. Once this is done (depends on you.. if you call and bug them, it can be done in less than a day... i was able to 😉) you can go ahead and order your mac online or over the phone.

2. You won't get any discount on Apple Care thru ADC

3. You should decide..

4. No comments 😉

5. Check online and this forum... u should find a lot of posts regarding this... but it is totally up to ur liking. I have glossy and love it, but wouldn't have been disappointed in anti-glare either.

6. Yes, you are correct regarding the free leopard.

thanks,
pal 🙂

Thank you for the help 🙂
 
Really? Where.... I could use a new one.
Not funny. You apparently wanted to get an iMac and MacBook over a single MacBook Pro if you had $2,000.


Trust me... over here at Towson University and Maryland College Park and University of Maryland Baltimore County and many others in the Collegetown Network in Maryland, DC, Virginia, and Delaware... plenty of students do exactly that.

They get up and walk away from their $1100 machines. The library at Morgan State University... a girl asks me to watch her stuff while she went to the bathroom. The entire floor was empty, no one there besides me and her. I looked over to see her stuff.

BAM!!!

17" HP laptop, just sitting there. If I were any other person... that thing would have been gone.

College students are careless... period... sh*t... I left my iBook sitting in the office of my girlfriends job... Came back five minutes later..

BAM!

iBook G4 and leather bag GONE.

And yes I want two computers. I want my MBP for on the go anything and I want the heavy lifting of a desktop when I get home. And when my laptop was on the fritz I had my back up, when my power supply on my G5 went up I had my MBP. When you freelance that is money. I am pretty sure there are better videographers and photogs out there that have way more than two... or four.
Stick with video RAM...

Don't do this again. I don't want another distraction to the original argument.
 
"probably" makes it sound like you've got a >50% chance of having your laptop stolen. this is far from the case. maybe it feels that way if you live in baltimore... but most people don't. i lived for years in providence and boston and never even knew anyone who was robbed of their laptop. you'd just hear stories of people who left it out in the library (moronic) and it would be gone when they got back. i agree this is an off-topic discussion that doesn't really belong here, but i just had to respond to that point. you're intent on assuming a priori that portability is not that great and that laptops will probably get stolen, but as has been pointed out, both assumptions are false.

No actually. Portablility is not a bad thing, and yes your laptop will get stolen from you if you are not careful, and yes even if you are careful laptops (like anything else you carry with you) will get stolen. I am not debating this point, why jump in on the wrong post and not know the entire story. Not everyone lives in boston either so what is your point? And New York Chicago, LA, Austin, Tampa Bay aren't cities with crime? Why even comment on this?

The main fact is that a college student with a.....

nevermind, forget about it.

Not funny. You apparently wanted to get an iMac and MacBook over a single MacBook Pro if you had $2,000.


Stick with video RAM...

Don't do this again.

I take it you know a lot about video RAM.... I have no idea what you are talking about here

sorry man
 
Got mine already !

Just been and got mine from the Apple store in the Trafford centre, Manchester, spec is just as it says on the website. RRP -5% business discount. 1st customer I believe. Staff say they only found out themselves this morning about the new products, apple must run an amazing cover up to hide 100,000 new laptops.

Nearly bought an old spec one last week for my business but held off after noticing upgrade rumours.

First impressions WOW 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Previous machine was a G4 titanium which just cant keep up with the RAW images I had recently introduced to it.

Anyway loading Aperture at the moment, so its going to get some serious sums to do.

Anyone any questions feel free to ask.

Glenn
 
...and lastly, I will for sure be able to get the free leopard upgrade if I use the ADC student discount? If I use a regular education discount I won't be able to get leopard for free correct?

i think there is misinformation floating out there. use google and read the agreement terms for adc student membership. it does not include software pre-releases, and i'm pretty positive there will be no free leopard to student members--or regular students or any other people who aren't paying many hundreds of dollars for their adc membership. unless of course there is some coupon offered post-wwdc next week (unlikely, but it's just a week away to know for sure). so let's just see what happens.
 
Just been and got mine from the Apple store in the Trafford centre, Manchester, spec is just as it says on the website. RRP -5% business discount. 1st customer I believe. Staff say they only found out themselves this morning about the new products, apple must run an amazing cover up to hide 100,000 new laptops.

Nearly bought an old spec one last week for my business but held off after noticing upgrade rumours.

First impressions WOW 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂 🙂

Previous machine was a G4 titanium which just cant keep up with the RAW images I had recently introduced to it.

Anyway loading Aperture at the moment, so its going to get some serious sums to do.

Anyone any questions feel free to ask.

Glenn

Hows the 5400rpm drive speed wise?
 
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