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Apple Releases New MacBook Pros with Santa Rosa

wHo_tHe said:
Code: 
Results	96.77	
	System Info		
		Xbench Version		1.3
		System Version		10.4.9 (8Q1058)
		Physical RAM		2048 MB
		Model		MacBookPro3,1
		Drive Type		FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL
	CPU Test	123.37	
		GCD Loop	271.90	14.33 Mops/sec
		Floating Point Basic	136.11	3.23 Gflop/sec
		vecLib FFT	98.81	3.26 Gflop/sec
		Floating Point Library	88.67	15.44 Mops/sec
	Thread Test	237.02	
		Computation	216.33	4.38 Mops/sec, 4 threads
		Lock Contention	262.08	11.27 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
	Memory Test	139.81	
		System	128.26	
			Allocate	108.00	396.60 Kalloc/sec
			Fill	137.06	6664.22 MB/sec
			Copy	146.31	3022.01 MB/sec
		Stream	153.66	
			Copy	145.94	3014.37 MB/sec
			Scale	144.43	2983.94 MB/sec
			Add	163.52	3483.34 MB/sec
			Triad	162.84	3483.58 MB/sec
	Quartz Graphics Test	156.61	
		Line	151.23	10.07 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
		Rectangle	188.97	56.42 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
		Circle	178.87	14.58 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
		Bezier	163.14	4.11 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
		Text	120.46	7.54 Kchars/sec
	OpenGL Graphics Test	140.58	
		Spinning Squares	140.58	178.33 frames/sec
	User Interface Test	438.41	
		Elements	438.41	2.01 Krefresh/sec
	Disk Test	26.97	
		Sequential	40.42	
			Uncached Write	41.67	25.58 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	37.67	21.32 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	42.69	12.49 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	39.99	20.10 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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			Uncached Write	44.05	14.10 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	58.52	0.41 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	66.79	12.39 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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Interesting. Thanks. I just compared with me PBG4 1.67. Overall, these new MBP seem to be almost twice as fast. There are a few areas where they're more than that. The Quartz Graphics test, for example, was almost three times as fast. And the User Interface test score is almost ten times as fast! Wow. Then there are the areas where my computer is about on a par with the new ones, such as the vecLib FFT. Finally, I can gloat a little bit about the fact that my computer's HDD out performs the stock model on the new MBP.

All of that said, I'd love to get a new one. But, I'm probably going to wait until Leopard is released. (Not because I have an issue with getting Leopard separately, but because that's when I'll probably have the disposable cash to get one!)
 
So, now that we have new MBPs, updated MBs and updated Apple TV, and OS X 10.5 is delayed until October, and the iPhone isn't out until the end of the month, what is Steve going to talk about during his WWDC keynote? Are there enough secret features of the new OS that he can fill the time talking about them? Does he have new Mac Pros up his sleeve? iPhone Developer's Kit? Would he actually introduce the new iMac at a developer's conference?

What do you all think?
 
Umbongo said:
I never implied it was more useful, I think it is pretty off that Apple are trying to upsell customers with video ram; hard drive, processor speed, sure, but there is nothing that can be done about Apple's offerings. I'm asking if having access to turbocache features will offer any significant performance for things like dual monitors, rendering, or 3D games.
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Ah, sorry didn't mean to say you did. I would say that for everything but games a technology like turbocache isn't horrible. Obviously if you have to use it you have ran out of framebuffer memory. I imagine in either case there would be stuttering as the system tried to page unused texture (or data) out of VRAM and into system RAM. Honestly other than like CAD work or some 3d animation (and even then I would think apps like MAYA are mostly CPU bound) games are really the only true benefactor to stupidly high bandwidth rates. I mean for all real purposes a 8600GT could be considered overkill by most. If I am wrong on that please someone correct me.
 
MacinDoc said:
So, now that we have new MBPs, updated MBs and updated Apple TV, and OS X 10.5 is delayed until October, and the iPhone isn't out until the end of the month, what is Steve going to talk about during his WWDC keynote? Are there enough secret features of the new OS that he can fill the time talking about them? Does he have new Mac Pros up his sleeve? iPhone Developer's Kit? Would he actually introduce the new iMac at a developer's conference?

What do you all think?
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Well, considering he's been able to spend a lot of time talking about Leopard in previous keynotes while only offering a glimpse at some of the features, I think it's a safe bet that he can spend a lot of time at WWDC talking about the whole enchilada.

And yeah, I expect there to be some time spent on developing stuff for iPhone, and maybe even AppleTV.

And he might even have a surprise or two in store for people.
 
diamond.g said:
Ah, sorry didn't mean to say you did. I would say that for everything but games a technology like turbocache isn't horrible. Obviously if you have to use it you have ran out of framebuffer memory. I imagine in either case there would be stuttering as the system tried to page unused texture (or data) out of VRAM and into system RAM. Honestly other than like CAD work or some 3d animation (and even then I would think apps like MAYA are mostly CPU bound) games are really the only true benefactor to stupidly high bandwidth rates. I mean for all real purposes a 8600GT could be considered overkill by most. If I am wrong on that please someone correct me.
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Thanks, the tomshardware article gave a better insight, at least in to the 6200. I see that the 8600M GT has 32 stream processors, I take it to mean that they would be available on the santa rosa (965) platform, so the bandwidth could be there? An article I read on the 6200 said that the performance drop when it was paging during games was nearly un-noticable, though I'm unsure how this would be affected by newer technology and more demanding games, or what there definition of un-noticable was.
 
eenu said:
http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/storage/charts25.html?modelx=33&model1=771&model2=412&chart=144

cant tell you the performance of the 7200 that apple use but i'd say the 5400 rpm drive there is good enough to not have to wait 4-6 weeks
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Well Apple quoted me a Shipment date of July 18th for my 15in 2.4 MBP with a 7200rpm drive. That's a long time...

I'm tempted to change the order to the standard 5400rpm drive. What applications would benefit from the 7200rpm drive aside from video editing? Sounds like this upgrade is 'less' important than going from 2.2 to 2.4 or from 128 vram to 256 vram - is that the consensus?

Could I potentially get around the 'downside' of the 5400rpm drive by purchasing a faster external drive in the future?

Thanks.
 
martinmartin said:
Well Apple quoted me a Shipment date of July 18th for my 15in 2.4 MBP with a 7200rpm drive. That's a long time...

I'm tempted to change the order to the standard 5400rpm drive. What applications would benefit from the 7200rpm drive aside from video editing? Sounds like this upgrade is 'less' important than going from 2.2 to 2.4 or from 128 vram to 256 vram - is that the consensus?

Could I potentially get around the 'downside' of the 5400rpm drive by purchasing a faster external drive in the future?

Thanks.
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I've decided its not worth the wait. If it really bugs you later get apple to add you a 7200RPM drive in.
 
i was really hoping for a redesign with magnetic latch but this will do.

Iam thinking of ordering a 2.2 MBP with glossy screen, 30'' ACD, apple care & a green nano (free mail in rebate)
 
Alright, I just bought one, and I'm left with a question regarding the LED backlight. I thought the point of the backlight was to remove mercury from the computer, but the packaging (the thin, fabric slip inside the foam and cardboard box) still warns me to dispose of the computer safely due to its mercury content. Has anyone found a way to verify the LED backlight. By the way, it's a 2.4 15" matte MacBook Pro.
 
Help

Hey folks,

My brand new MBP is kernal panicking, even after trying to erase/install the system. Please help me out, my full post is in the mac hardware section under the macbook pro header.

thanks
 
mt2 said:
Alright, I just bought one, and I'm left with a question regarding the LED backlight. I thought the point of the backlight was to remove mercury from the computer, but the packaging (the thin, fabric slip inside the foam and cardboard box) still warns me to dispose of the computer safely due to its mercury content. Has anyone found a way to verify the LED backlight. By the way, it's a 2.4 15" matte MacBook Pro.
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There is still a bit of mercury in the PCBs.

Edit: Nevermind. That was arsenic I meant. According to http://www.apple.com/hotnews/agreenerapple/ with the removal of cold cathodes the mercury should be gone.

Maybe the slip is just a leftover from the packaging process of earlier revisions?
 
justflie said:
Hey folks,

My brand new MBP is kernal panicking, even after trying to erase/install the system. Please help me out, my full post is in the mac hardware section under the macbook pro header.

thanks
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Restart the machine and hold down :apple: and S until after you hear the chime. The MBP should then boot into single user mode without the Apple logo / spinning graphics and display all the system messages as it boots. You should from these messages be able to determine what's causing the kernel panic.

Hth. :)
 
headfuzz said:
Restart the machine and hold down :apple: and S until after you hear the chime. The MBP should then boot into single user mode without the Apple logo / spinning graphics and display all the system messages as it boots. You should from these messages be able to determine what's causing the kernel panic.

Hth. :)
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he could do that... but a brand new mac should not be doing that! I say take it back and get a new one. You shouldn't have to deal with this on the first day.
 
QCassidy352 said:
he could do that... but a brand new mac should not be doing that! I say take it back and get a new one. You shouldn't have to deal with this on the first day.
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I completely agree, but seeing as it's there now I think we all would like to know what's caused his system to bork so we can look out and see if this becomes a common problem with the first generation SR Macbook Pros... :rolleyes:
 
ethen said:
My wife picked one up, here is her unboxing video

http://www.slashgear.jp/2007/06/post-878/

She used it for a couple of hours now, her initial thought are

the screens are a lot crispier and brighter
The heat on this macbook pro is a lot cooler than the Core 2 Duo ones (previous revision)

The fan noise is a tad louder than the previous one

Will post more as soon as she finished playing with it

So far she's loving it, i need to grab one myself tomorrow
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Awesome, thanks!
 
My first MAC. Well, I did it. I have been wandering around these forums and other MAC sights for the last couple months waiting for a MBP update before taking the plunge. I went ahead this morning and got me a 15" MBP. I'm not looking to play games on it, but wanted the support for very high resolution external displays. I'm excited for it. I currently run Ubuntu on my Dell, along with Windows XP. I only use Windows when I have to. :) I hope to switch completely to OSX and Ubuntu (PC) soon.

I am looking forward to it.
 
wHo_tHe said:
Code: 
Results	96.77	
	System Info		
		Xbench Version		1.3
		System Version		10.4.9 (8Q1058)
		Physical RAM		2048 MB
		Model		MacBookPro3,1
		Drive Type		FUJITSU MHW2160BHPL
	CPU Test	123.37	
		GCD Loop	271.90	14.33 Mops/sec
		Floating Point Basic	136.11	3.23 Gflop/sec
		vecLib FFT	98.81	3.26 Gflop/sec
		Floating Point Library	88.67	15.44 Mops/sec
	Thread Test	237.02	
		Computation	216.33	4.38 Mops/sec, 4 threads
		Lock Contention	262.08	11.27 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
	Memory Test	139.81	
		System	128.26	
			Allocate	108.00	396.60 Kalloc/sec
			Fill	137.06	6664.22 MB/sec
			Copy	146.31	3022.01 MB/sec
		Stream	153.66	
			Copy	145.94	3014.37 MB/sec
			Scale	144.43	2983.94 MB/sec
			Add	163.52	3483.34 MB/sec
			Triad	162.84	3483.58 MB/sec
	Quartz Graphics Test	156.61	
		Line	151.23	10.07 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
		Rectangle	188.97	56.42 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
		Circle	178.87	14.58 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
		Bezier	163.14	4.11 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
		Text	120.46	7.54 Kchars/sec
	OpenGL Graphics Test	140.58	
		Spinning Squares	140.58	178.33 frames/sec
	User Interface Test	438.41	
		Elements	438.41	2.01 Krefresh/sec
	Disk Test	26.97	
		Sequential	40.42	
			Uncached Write	41.67	25.58 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Write	37.67	21.32 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	42.69	12.49 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	39.99	20.10 MB/sec [256K blocks]
		Random	20.23	
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			Uncached Write	44.05	14.10 MB/sec [256K blocks]
			Uncached Read	58.52	0.41 MB/sec [4K blocks]
			Uncached Read	66.79	12.39 MB/sec [256K blocks]
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Weird my 2.33 with 3gb of ram had these results

Results 110.08
System Info
Xbench Version 1.3
System Version 10.4.9 (8P2137)
Physical RAM 3072 MB
Model MacBookPro2,2
Drive Type Hitachi HTS541616J9SA00
CPU Test 121.63
GCD Loop 275.17 14.50 Mops/sec
Floating Point Basic 132.54 3.15 Gflop/sec
vecLib FFT 98.73 3.26 Gflop/sec
Floating Point Library 86.37 15.04 Mops/sec
Thread Test 232.28
Computation 212.89 4.31 Mops/sec, 4 threads
Lock Contention 255.56 10.99 Mlocks/sec, 4 threads
Memory Test 126.61
System 131.20
Allocate 121.25 445.29 Kalloc/sec
Fill 133.30 6481.14 MB/sec
Copy 140.51 2902.14 MB/sec
Stream 122.33
Copy 116.88 2414.03 MB/sec
Scale 117.61 2429.76 MB/sec
Add 128.60 2739.44 MB/sec
Triad 127.17 2720.48 MB/sec
Quartz Graphics Test 113.10
Line 119.35 7.95 Klines/sec [50% alpha]
Rectangle 146.82 43.83 Krects/sec [50% alpha]
Circle 131.85 10.75 Kcircles/sec [50% alpha]
Bezier 134.09 3.38 Kbeziers/sec [50% alpha]
Text 71.55 4.48 Kchars/sec
OpenGL Graphics Test 204.16
Spinning Squares 204.16 258.98 frames/sec
User Interface Test 308.12
Elements 308.12 1.41 Krefresh/sec
Disk Test 38.19
Sequential 64.65
Uncached Write 63.84 39.20 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 64.25 36.35 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 57.51 16.83 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 75.46 37.93 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Random 27.10
Uncached Write 9.58 1.01 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Write 58.21 18.63 MB/sec [256K blocks]
Uncached Read 65.71 0.47 MB/sec [4K blocks]
Uncached Read 92.57 17.18 MB/sec [256K blocks]
 
If only it had 256MB vram it would be perfect, ATI X2600 HD XT might had been better to but I understand that they might want to stay away from AMD and the support in Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris for Nvidia is better, thought AMD is fixing this.

Now it's just one step from perfect ;D
 
bwshockley said:
My first MAC. Well, I did it. I have been wandering around these forums and other MAC sights for the last couple months waiting for a MBP update before taking the plunge. I went ahead this morning and got me a 15" MBP. I'm not looking to play games on it, but wanted the support for very high resolution external displays. I'm excited for it. I currently run Ubuntu on my Dell, along with Windows XP. I only use Windows when I have to. :) I hope to switch completely to OSX and Ubuntu (PC) soon.
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Put Ubuntu on your MBP too; that way you can use wine to run any Windows applications you'd need, without actually having to pay for Windows. And you can always get Parallels and run Ubuntu in a window on your OS X desktop if you really wanted to. With the change to nVidia cards, Linux support just got a huge boost.
 
aliquis- said:
If only it had 256MB vram it would be perfect, ATI X2600 HD XT might had been better to but I understand that they might want to stay away from AMD and the support in Linux, FreeBSD and Solaris for Nvidia is better, thought AMD is fixing this.

Now it's just one step from perfect ;D
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There may be other reasons (heat, power, etc.) that Apple isn't using the X2600 HD XT........ frankly, it seems like a lot of laptop makers are going with the Nvidia 8M series this time around. The only thing I think I've seen with the X2600 HD is that 20" HP "laptop".
 
I'm in for one... low-end 15.4" MBP, 2.2 with the 160GB HD.

I just couldn't bring myself to pay $500 more for, what to me, was basically the VRAM. I'm not even sure I need it based on the games I play.

When the times comes that I regret it, I'll take that $500 and add it what I get from ebaying this MBP and get the latest & greatest at that time.
 
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