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Yeah, but Apple probably won't update the MBP for a while now...perhaps right before Christmas if we're lucky =) Either that, or January of next year.

Perhaps we will have to wait until January, but I think Oct/Nov is also realistic. Apple is releasing new hardware as it becomes available; they are just not preannouncing new hardware weeks and months before availability like other OEMs. Thus Apple appears to be behind the curve, but realistically, they are releasing hardware alongside other vendors with announcements closer to the actual release date. (E.g., IBM announced several SR based laptops of which only one was immediately available and the others are going to be made available during the remainder of the summer.) The release of new Apple hardware will coincide with Intel releases, so just watch for that and you will know what to expect and about when to expect it.

You know, I could have sworn I had seen that somewhere. Is Penryn pin compatible with Merom? Either way DDR3, even with the higher latency, will scale much higher and uses less power than DDR2. It may not even be worth the upgrade for laptop users. I guess we will have to see how popular Bearlake is (supposedly uses DDR3 RAM).

From all information published thus far, Penryn is supposed to be pin compatible, but there is a question whether it will require a revised chipset for other reasons. Intel is not guaranteeing backwards compatibility with Penryn.
 
You know, I could have sworn I had seen that somewhere. Is Penryn pin compatible with Merom? Either way DDR3, even with the higher latency, will scale much higher and uses less power than DDR2. It may not even be worth the upgrade for laptop users. I guess we will have to see how popular Bearlake is (supposedly uses DDR3 RAM).
It's pin compatible on Socket P.

From all information published thus far, Penryn is supposed to be pin compatible, but there is a question whether it will require a revised chipset for other reasons. Intel is not guaranteeing backwards compatibility with Penryn.
Well I'd say that it should work on Socket P (Santa Rosa) based machines but anything with Socket T (LGA775) might have some voltage issues on older boards.
 
Putting in your own RAM

Is there a site or tutorial on how to put in your own RAM into a MBP without voiding the warranty?
 
Is there a site or tutorial on how to put in your own RAM into a MBP without voiding the warranty?

I like this video:

http://www.macsales.com/clicks/fclick.php?id=96

Note that the first part of the video shows memory replacing; the second is about hard drive replacing which is more involved.

The memory part is really simple and doesn't void your warranty (it's just removing the battery and unscrewing the panel on the bottom of the laptop).
 
I like this video:

http://www.macsales.com/clicks/fclick.php?id=96

Note that the first part of the video shows memory replacing; the second is about hard drive replacing which is more involved.

The memory part is really simple and doesn't void your warranty (it's just removing the battery and unscrewing the panel on the bottom of the laptop).

Thank you very much! Didnt know it was so darn simple!

Is there a site that anyone would recommend buying the RAM from for cheap??
 
Thank you very much! Didnt know it was so darn simple!

Is there a site that anyone would recommend buying the RAM from for cheap??


Well, OWC (the site where I linked that video from) has a 4GB kit for sale for like $240, which is pretty nice. I think someone posted another place selling other RAM for a similar price.
 
Well, OWC (the site where I linked that video from) has a 4GB kit for sale for like $240, which is pretty nice. I think someone posted another place selling other RAM for a similar price.

If i get the 17" 2GIG RAM,would i only have to buy another stick of 2 GIG ram? or do i have to get the whole 4 GIG kit?
 
Got a 15" SR 2.44, was furious, but came around

I got lucky and got the first Santa Rosa 15" 2.44 with glossy LED off the truck in Toronto Wednesday at the Apple store.

It was my first Mac laptop after years of trusty G3/G4/G5 towers. The style and glossy LED screen (which I noodled on, but it's better than matte for me as an editor so far) were sweet, but there was a god-awful delay in the OS for the first day.

Basically I reinstalled the OS minus all the preinstalled junk as soon as I got it, and the next morning it was lagging a quarter second before responding to any mouse clicks or pull downs. It was also installing software veeeeery slowly off of disk images. I went to a reseller closeby to see if it was settings that caused the lag, and he told me I had a lemon and should return it ASAP.

I had it at work and was cursing Apple, but all of the sudden it was fine. Awesome fast for everything now. It launches Photoshop (CS3) in about 4 seconds, and Final Cut Pro has roughly a 40% increase in launch from my late 2004 single 1.8 G5 Powermac.

If you buy one and re install the OS I think the drive indexing really eats some power for the first few hours if you re install the OS, so have patience, it comes around to be a great machine.

Anyone else have a similar experience or explanation?

I'll post the render differences once I get video editing tonight.
 
I don't know. Someone here said it was probably indexing the hard drive for spotlight, beats me. The tslowdown lasted all the way through installs of CS3, FCP studio, and about 3 more hours of just sitting still and charging.
 
I don't know. Someone here said it was probably indexing the hard drive for spotlight, beats me. The tslowdown lasted all the way through installs of CS3, FCP studio, and about 3 more hours of just sitting still and charging.

My guess would be it was indexing as fast as it could read the disk, but then you installed CS3 & FCP - which are both big programs! So your hard disk then fought between indexing and the install... slowing both down horribly - probably 20% of normal speed for both.

Indexing is supposed to happen during your writing of any files (including the install of a program). I'm not sure what happens if the OS is already indexing something and you start an install - perhaps it queues the file for indexing later?

If so, once install was finished the indexing would speed up but it still has to read the remaining OSX info plus every byte of data from FCP & CS3 including many sample files...

That's only a guess - basically, if you'd waited for indexing to finish before installing, it might have gone a lot faster. (Look at the spotlight magnifying glass - if it has a dot in it, it's reindexing.)
 
No Question About It

So I had originally ordered the 17" with the HiRes display (sight unseen, obviously), thinking that the increased screen real estate this offered was the most significant update to the MBP line for this revision.

And then I went to the Apple store and saw the 15" LEDs in action. Good lord. Sitting right next to a brand new 17", the difference was astonishing at full brightness settings for each. There was also an extremely obvious difference between the evenness of illumination through the entire surface of the LCD.

I called Apple and changed my order immediately. Very happy that I went and checked out them in person (probably should have done this in the first place, but oh well). I really hope that the brightness stays like this throughout the lifetime of the computer - it's really a joy to look at.

Too bad I have to wait until mid-July for mine to show up...
 
Other things that could get stolen: car, lunch, money, wallet, watch, pants, nuclear missle plans.

If you are that paranoid about it you should be using windows.
Also don't beleive everything you see on "Laptop Anti-Theft" websites, it's called marketing.

If you want me to comment on the rest of our debate I can, I'm just to lazy to do it now.

Yeah.. and you could shot while sitting in your car as well... the main point that everyone was too blind to see is that you can do things to prevent it... besides not carrying your laptop with you... you can (as a college student with little disposable income) get a safer, heavier desktop. You can put a chain on your wallet like some of these new children are doing as a fashion statement, carry mace... protect yourself or stop drawing attention to yourself...

not that i'm trying to get in the last word, but i just see serious logical errors here.

first of all, i lived in providence for five years during a time when muggings were rampant, and lived in a pretty bad neighborhood in the boston area for a year also.

secondly, it would be truly naive to get facts regarding theft rates from companies that desperately want to sell you theft-deterrents.

thirdly, the whole reason i posted before is because your wording was vastly exaggerating a very small risk. what you've said above is only marginally less misleading.

fourth, i'm not fooling myself about anything: i've already lived with a laptop for many years, some of them in bad neighborhoods, knowing a hundred other people with laptops in the same bad neighborhoods, and none of us had any problems. look, you just don't take your laptop out with you if you're going to be walking at night in a bad neighborhood. the odds of someone mugging you in broad daylight (especially on a busy campus, for example) are just so tiny, and if someone breaks into your apartment, they're going to take whatever computer you have, laptop or not.
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I really mean no offense to this but you haven't lived in a bad neighborhood and if you did only for a year...not your whole life... providence was never on a list of America's worst cities... you may have had some punk teenagers causing some trouble but nothing on the scale of DC and Baltimore or Chicago. Either way you're still missing the point.

You don't know 100 people that live in your neighborhood with laptops... and getting your info from any site on the web can be considered naive... look how many people believed Apple's old MBP displays were up-to-par. Yes... you can get mugged on a busy college campus in broad day light... just like an old lady can have her purse stolen from her in a crowded New York street. No one is taking their new MBP w/Santa Rosa with them at night... it's the ones that take it with them to school and get held up and loose all of their college work, or the guy that goes to the coffee shop and gets up for more sugar and their machine is gone... the moments that you never saw it coming and never thought it would happen.

Just because it is a small risk where you come from doesn't mean that college students and consumers in other areas of the world should take things litely. And please understand... criminals are pretty stupid... they will fetch anything that can give them TWO things... 1. the most money and 2. the fastest getaway. A G5 tower is not that easy to carry... neither is a 24" iMac... if you think it is light then you need to be a wrestler.
 
I really mean no offense to this but you haven't lived in a bad neighborhood and if you did only for a year...not your whole life... providence was never on a list of America's worst cities... you may have had some punk teenagers causing some trouble but nothing on the scale of DC and Baltimore or Chicago. Either way you're still missing the point.

following this logic, then your warning should apply only to those people who live in the list of most crime-ridden cities. but by definition, most people don't live in the highest-crime cities. if you want to put out an advisory solely to baltimore and DC residents to think twice about buying a laptop, that might be worthwhile--though my friend who's lived in baltimore for years has also never had or reported a friend's problem with having a laptop stolen.

You don't know 100 people that live in your neighborhood with laptops...

of course i do. i'm a student. we ALL have laptops. seriously, we all do.

and getting your info from any site on the web can be considered naive...

not equally naive. government statistics databases, well-respected journalism agencies, and peer-reviewed science journals are pretty reliable sources of data. corporations trying to make you buy something are not.

the moments that you never saw it coming and never thought it would happen.

the reason you never saw it coming, in this case, is either because you were completely careless (in which case, yes, you should not get a laptop) or because it almost never happens (in which case the risk is barely worth taking into account against the numerous benefits of having a portable system).

Just because it is a small risk where you come from doesn't mean that college students and consumers in other areas of the world should take things litely.

look, no one's saying the risk of theft isn't something you should consider in a computer purchase. but to universally tell students that their laptops will get stolen is not statistically true (by a long shot), and refuses to acknowledge the incredible benefits--and these days, often near-necessities--of having a portable system. that's all i'm saying.

bottom line: unless you are part of the 0.4% of the US population living in baltimore or DC, if you are careful about your laptop, it's very unlikely to get stolen.
 
I can't help but think of Digital Skunk as Ben Stiller's character in Along Came Polly.

Live a little. Putting chains on a wallet? The expectation that a laptop will inevitably be stolen? Are you kidding me? I think you've been watching too much CNN.
 
I just went to an Apple store and checked out the new MBP displays. Those LED displays look pretty nice. They are very bright, crisp and have a nice uniform illumination. They are certainly noticeably brighter than the old screens.

They also had a 17" hi-res MBP on display, which I was surprised to see. They didn't, however, have them in stock to sell yet. I was amazed at how readable everything still was at that resolution and you definitely get A LOT more screen real estate. They say that at that resolution you get as many pixels as you would with an Apple 23" display.

Glad I went and looked at those and even though the LED display is very, very nice looking I am still gonna go with the 17" hi-res because for what I am doing I need that extra space.
 
Fingerprint authorisation is very good. Virtually everyone here will have some 'secret' information on their machines, be that bank account/paypal details, address books, your client list, book/film/artwork you've been working on, or national secrets. It's very easy to loose a lappie; whilst it'll be insured, the aggravation of knowing all your "secrets" are now available in public would be a total PITA (especially if it contains other people's information).

But, is that hard disk encrypted? If not, fingerprint device won't do nothing, since you could just take out the hard drive and read off whatever it is on it.

On a Mac you can turn on FileVault with ease - just close the lid and it would take ages to brute force it the content, even if you take out the hard disk.
 
But, is that hard disk encrypted? If not, fingerprint device won't do nothing, since you could just take out the hard drive and read off whatever it is on it.

On a Mac you can turn on FileVault with ease - just close the lid and it would take ages to brute force it the content, even if you take out the hard disk.
If you are using Vista the whole drive (including the OS) can be encrypted. Otherwise not without some third party software.
OS X is nice, that it comes with that encryption out of the box.
 
If you are using Vista the whole drive (including the OS) can be encrypted. Otherwise not without some third party software.
OS X is nice, that it comes with that encryption out of the box.

Yes, but that's provided by Vista, not the fingerprint device itself; unless there is a way to use fingerprint as the encryption key, which would then be an overkill, wasted processing power, and dangerous since the OS itself also gets encrypted!!
 
On a Mac you can turn on FileVault with ease - just close the lid and it would take ages to brute force it the content, even if you take out the hard disk.

The fingerprint recognition is both much tougher to crack (the password will be strong), and it will be much easier to use.

The current issue is that its a pain to both remember and type a 'hard' password, hence most people keep the same one for years or use something simple.

My point about fingerprint recognition is its easy to use therefore will be used.
 
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