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The best way Apple could fix Mail.app is to kill it. Desktop mail clients are an impediment to the cloud. Webmail clients like Gmail.com and Outlook.com are the future. Killing Mail.app would be a good shove in the right direction.

That's for people who don't need to manage their mail or use it for work. I need a desktop client so your idea of killing Mail is for YOUR own needs, not everyone's. :rolleyes:
 
+1 for the Users folder disappearing. Doesn't affect me at all, from usage but defiantly an odd bug.

Why are people making such a big deal over something that can easily be accessed by holding down the OPTION key. Sheesh, I thought this place was comprised of many talented computer users. It's really not that serious.
 
chflags 0 "/Users/YOUR_USER_NAME_HERE"

That won't survive a reboot either.

The permanent fix is in this post by leventozler. (copied below)

Start your computer with Alt + CMD + P + R in order to do a PRAM reset
Then start your computer with CMD + R for recovery partition boot
Launch Disk Utility and repair permissions. Quit Disk Utility and open Terminal (Utilities -> Terminal) and type :

cd /Volumes/Macintosh\ HD (or the name of your partition)
chmod 755 Users
chmod 755 Users/Shared
chflags nohidden Users
chflags nohidden Users/Shared
 
Why are people making such a big deal over something that can easily be accessed by holding down the OPTION key. Sheesh, I thought this place was comprised of many talented computer users. It's really not that serious.

Aren't you thinking of showing/hiding the library folder? I thought people here were complaining about the user home folder being invisible, which I've come across before and needs a terminal command to fix.

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That won't survive a reboot either.

Mine did
 
Aren't you thinking of showing/hiding the library folder? I thought people here were complaining about the user home folder being invisible, which I've come across before and needs a terminal command to fix.

Well yes, what I was referring to does open up the Library folder. But when you look down on the Path Bar you can easily access the Users folder. Understandable that it's hidden but it's not inaccessible without a terminal command.

UPDATE: I was also able to drag my Home Folder from the Path Bar to the Finder side bar.
 
Well yes, what I was referring to does open up the Library folder. But when you look down on the Path Bar you can easily access the Users folder.

Yes, but I think people were referring to a bug where your home folder becomes invisible. It's still visible in the sidebar (and maybe in the path bar), but it's invisible when you command-up-arrow from wherever to the actual "Users" folder in the Finder, where it should show. That bug needs a more involved fix. The terminal command I quoted works for me, and over reboots as well.
 
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Mavs completely changed the way Mail handles Gmail and it takes hours for the reindex that change caused to complete. Just launch Mail and leave it on and you should see speeds Mail responsiveness improve after a few hours.

Aslo make sure you have "All Mail" enabled for IMAP in the settings at gmail.com. Previously is was recommended turning this off, but now with Mavs you want it on.

Where is that in settings? - I was just at gmail.com online in settings, and I don't see it under any of the tabs.
I am probably just missing it, so any help is appreciated
 
I'm having some issues post-upgrade with file sharing across platforms...

Weird stuff like PC users having to double-click twice on files to get them to open.

May be an issue on the PC side but it wasn't a problem pre-10.9.3 on the servers...
 
The best way Apple could fix Mail.app is to kill it. Desktop mail clients are an impediment to the cloud. Webmail clients like Gmail.com and Outlook.com are the future. Killing Mail.app would be a good shove in the right direction.

And here Today another example why cloud computing as against local apps is not a finite science yet:

Adobe has apologised for a system failure that knocked its Creative Cloud service offline for users around the world.

Creative Cloud is the firm's subscription model for businesses or individuals using its Photoshop, Premiere Pro and similar products.

With the system down for around 24 hours, many businesses were unable to carry out some work.

The company has not offered any form of compensation for those affected.

In a blog post, it said: "We will do better."

Users who had already downloaded the software and were using it offline were not affected.
 
Fudged IMAP?

EWS is how Mail.app connects to exchange servers by default and it doesn't do push.

Nope - Apple added Exchange support first for iOS, then for MacOS, apparently when you weren't looking.

It most definitely does do push.
 
Yes, but I think people were referring to a bug where your home folder becomes invisible. It's still visible in the sidebar (and maybe in the path bar), but it's invisible when you command-up-arrow from wherever to the actual "Users" folder in the Finder, where it should show. That bug needs a more involved fix. The terminal command I quoted works for me, and over reboots as well.

Well I don't know if we're on the same page here. Okay so what I did (as mentioned in my earlier post) is dragged my Home Folder to the Finder side bar. I've been able to access it even using Command Up/Down. I just rebooted my iMac (which now boots faster after this update :)) and my Home Folder is still accessible. What exactly is the problem people are having?
 
You know what's telling about these "xxx MB on a 2011 MBP" posts that have almost become a meme here because it's always a 2011 MBP?

How many people are still on Sandy Bridge 2011 MacBooks and are completely satisfied with their performance/seemingly don't have plans to upgrade (based on how long the posts have been going on, and not decreasing in number).
Well, I'm in the 'hanging on to my 17" until death' camp. The last time I ran Geekbench, I got 11,123 on my 2.3GHz Sandy Bridge, and I ran that test in 2012. New MacBooks barely edge that out, since the processor upgrades are all about power-savings and battery life, not raw power. There hasn't been a processor release since Sandy Bridge that was as much about horsepower as SB was/is.

Also, I've purchased many retina MBPs and used them as daily drivers, but even that hi-res display doesn't compare with the color reproduction of the 17" IPS matte panel. If  releases an antiglare rMBP, I'll be all over it (once it's in an open-box store, of course). For now though, a SATA3 SSD, 16GB of RAM, and a BD drive + the raw horsepower of Sandy Bridge just make upgrading non-essential.

Also, the speakers on the 2011 17" are better than any other MBP speakers released to date.
 
Why are people making such a big deal over something that can easily be accessed by holding down the OPTION key. Sheesh, I thought this place was comprised of many talented computer users. It's really not that serious.

No deal made bro, calm down. As I posted it's an odd bug, that's all.
 
Well I don't know if we're on the same page here. Okay so what I did (as mentioned in my earlier post) is dragged my Home Folder to the Finder side bar. I've been able to access it even using Command Up/Down. I just rebooted my iMac (which now boots faster after this update :)) and my Home Folder is still accessible. What exactly is the problem people are having?

Hey Henry maybe we're at cross purposes here. Sorry if that's the case. I got the impression that some people are seeing the bug that I've come across before where your user home folder becomes invisible (i.e., your user home folder entitled with your name or whatever name you give it). It gets invisible in the "Users" folder, not in the sidebar or the pathbar). I had that bug once - I went to look for it and couldn't see it. The terminal command:

chflags 0 "/Users/YOUR_USER-NAME-HERE"

.. fixed it for me.

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On a more serious note, Safari seems ........ doesn't it ?
 
Is there a way to check which build the OS X installer on MAS is, without downloading it?

The actual build available does not always correlate to the version number on the MAS info page. I would like to make a USB installer with 10.9.3, but would prefer not to download the >5GB installer just to see if it's still 10.9.2.
 
I'm updated both Mac's smoothly, but why does Apple keep bundling/un-bundling Safari all the time ?

Similarly, I also think Apple actually WANT'S you to your Location Services, because after every update its turned on and i always turn it back off.

Same with Bluetooth on iOS. It's god Apple wants you to use these things, but don't they respect the user to a degree ?
 
Is there a way to check which build the OS X installer on MAS is, without downloading it?

The actual build available does not always correlate to the version number on the MAS info page. I would like to make a USB installer with 10.9.3, but would prefer not to download the >5GB installer just to see if it's still 10.9.2.

The App Store is showing 10.9.3 now, or are you asking something else?

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The App Store is showing 10.9.3 now, or are you asking something else?

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I'm asking something else...

The info on the App Store page does not necessarily mean the build you get when you download the installer is current. The info page is usually updated before the installer actually gets updated.

I'm asking, if there's a way to check the actual build number without downloading the installer.
 
Nope - Apple added Exchange support first for iOS, then for MacOS, apparently when you weren't looking.

It most definitely does do push.

It definitely doesn't do push for me! I have the mail.app configured to check for messages "Automatically". I have an Exchange Server provided by my Office 365 Developer account.

OSX Mavericks mail.app receives mail when it decides to check and can be up to a 30 seconds to a minute after my iPad and Android devices get the push notification. Sometimes it can seem to happen at the same time but not very often.

Apple hasn't licensed and implemented ActiveSync that I'm aware of. I just read that Microsoft won't license it to anything but mobile devices so it's really not Apples fault, but that could be misinformation. Without it you can't do push unless you use IMAP.

FWIW: Outlook 2011 for Mac doesn't do push either.
 
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I'm asking something else...

The info on the App Store page does not necessarily mean the build you get when you download the installer is current. The info page is usually updated before the installer actually gets updated.

I'm asking, if there's a way to check the actual build number without downloading the installer.

If I am recalling correctly (not a given), some previous MAS versions have showed a build number on the MAS?

At any rate, for this version, I have downloaded the full installer, made the USB stick, and fresh-installed it onto a spare drive. It is build 13D65.
 
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If I am recalling correctly (not a given), some previous MAS versions have showed a build number on the MAS?

At any rate, for this version, I have downloaded the full installer, made the USB stick, and fresh-installed in onto a spare drive. It is build 13D65.

I downloaded the installer, and its info.plist has the build number 13D46. Strange.
Well, I'll make the USB installer, most likely it's actually 13D65.

Thanks :)

Edit: Duh, 13D46 is the build of the OS this package was built in...
 

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