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Apple Releases OS X Lion 10.7.5 Beta Build 11G30 to Developers
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... The whole fact that PCs were still coming with XP installed in 2006 and that XP was still just one version prior surely had nothing to do with the fact that Microsoft was still supporting it in 2010.
Not to mention the fact that whereas most computers that run one version of OS X will run the next version, PCs are built for the current OS and will become decrepit once you install the next OS on it.
IE, My iMac was bought running Tiger (OS X 10.4 - released in 2005.) Today, it runs Mountain Lion (OS X 10.8 - released in 2012) - and I have absolutely no regrets. I consider buying a new iMac sometimes, but because I want one, not because it's necessary to keep up with the OS updates. Good luck finding a PC that is 7 years old and runs Windows 8... even if you manage to find one, have fun using it.
Edit: I have to modify my claims slightly... my iMac is Intel, meaning that it was bought running at least 10.4.4, which was released in 2006.
My current desktop managed Windows Vista to 8 just fine. Sure it does have a newer video card and a SSD now.
I upgraded the video card in July 2010 and got a SSD back in March of 2012.
I have a new Corsair 550D case but does that really count as an upgrade that will allow me to run a newer operating system or my 24" S-IPS monitor for that matter?
I want the GTX 660 Ti but I can not justify it right now.
I upgraded the video card in July 2010 and got a SSD back in March of 2012.
I have a new Corsair 550D case but does that really count as an upgrade that will allow me to run a newer operating system?
The case is more of a "I would like a new physical look to my computer" thing. As per the other upgrades, what were they... hehehe curious here. Yes, Windows 8 looks nice, but the whole metro on desktop is too much for me.
If you are a desktop user and you complain about the 10 seconds a day you see Metro, perhaps you are going about it the wrong way.
Explorer updates, SMB multichannel, and single-login are worthwhile upgrades for me. Oh noes! $40!
Other upgrades? Nothing except the RAM. The motherboard and CPU are still circa September 2009. That is before Windows 7 was retail and I did run Vista for a few weeks until I had a copy of RTM 7 and not Beta. Maybe I will upgrade that when Haswell is out but signs point to no.
Desktop user, I don't care about the 10 seconds, it is the whole "I've got to relearn many things now" that gets me. I'm lazy in that sense, but I can get to it...
I never complained about the price, in fact, I am happy it is only $40... maybe now I can upgrade to the Professional version and get other things.
I meant which GPU (nVidia, ATI; family of GPU, series... etc) did you put in.
2007: Diamond ATI Radeon 3850
2009: SAPPHIRE ATI Radeon 4830
2010: Gigabyte GTX 460 1 GB
I have been with the GTX 460 since then.
Well, in terms of things for end users. You can start here.
http://www.apple.com/osx/whats-new/features.html
For developers it's another story altogether. No more legacy support, which means 64 bit support, and OpenGL Core Profile support for every computer that supports Mountain Lion.
Do you own a PC? My 2003 PC runs Windows 7 with no problems. And even if that would become a problem, it's a PC for heaven's sake, I can upgrade it. Yea, I know, that is that nasty word Apple doesn't like. Actually, that reminds me: Wanted to buy a 256GB Vertex 4 from OCZ. Yea, I don't have to look if it works. It will - its a PC. Around Christmas, I will probably invest in a new graphics card. Doesn't matter which - yes you guessed it - it's a PC and it works with all of them. No Pentalobe screws. No "warranty void." And it works even with Windows 95 if I want it to - without emulation. Though, I'd rather stay with Windows 8.
Don't get me wrong - Apple computers are cool. They have cool features. But there also costs to that (and not only the $$$ you pay extra for the looks) which are limited upgrades, outdated hardware 3 months after "refresh," hard or impossible to upgrade...
...in other words: You might have mistaken computers with handsets. It's not an Android.
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Can I buy? - No you cannot!
You are both wrong. Mac users can buy ONLY Mountain Lion. Lion has been removed. And "One more thing" ONLY same Mac users can upgrade - some are just told you are not Mac user anymore, if you want to be one buy new Macintosh.
You are both wrong. Mac users can buy ONLY Mountain Lion. Lion has been removed. And "One more thing" ONLY same Mac users can upgrade - some are just told you are not Mac user anymore, if you want to be one buy new Macintosh.
Told you can't be a Mac user? What?
Why are older users not Mac users anymore? Do their computers start running Windows afters a new OS comes out?
This is the same for OS X. It's subsidised through your hardware purchase. ie Buying your Mac pays for the hardware + access to iCloud + some of the OS cost etc etc. There's a lot more then just hardware covered in the purchase coast of a new Mac. This is why Apple push hardware sales so much.
So the poster I quoted is 100% correct.
Let's see... Even on Apple's own turf, Mac users are a minority. Most iOS-users own Windows machines, not Macs. They only support the latest two versions of their operating systems for a simple reason: Planned obsolescence is an integral part of Apple's business model.
It also means they can EOL Macs (for being able to run the latest OS) every year like they do for iOS currently. But I honestly don't see Apple being as iOS aggressive with OS X of this front.
And it is great for developers, well most of them. The few devs with their apps built around legacy support will be left in the dust, but for everyone else they can take advantage with less legacy hoops to jump through. Code wise (read from the Ars I think ti was ML review) is still just an evolution of the same code base. That needs an overhaul though. But that'll come with OS 11 or whatever comes after 10. Cause there'd be major current software incompatibles with that I believe.
Good point, I hadn't thought about it like that.
That would make sense, were it not for the fact that iCloud Mail is still accessible through Snow Leopard. How much more work would it be then to extend this to synchronising calendars and Address Book?
What I mainly find annoying is that you can quite happily open up Address Book on Snow Leopard and start making changes, without a single warning from the OS that these changes are no longer being synchronised online.
iCloud Mail is an imap service, and since mail.app has supported imap from the start obviously this is trivial to support, and the easy click-through setup is what was already there for Mobile-Me because it is (for now, it might actually stop working once me.com is mothballed!) the same mail service.
In addition, you can in practice access some of iCloud's other services as they are CalDav and CardDav services, but this is trickier and not supported through easy click-through setup.
Microsoft has, in fact, committed to continue releasing fixes for newly discovered security vulnerabilities in Windows XP until April 8, 2014 (a total of almost 13.5 years).
They stopped offering mainstream support (which would have included the potential of incorporating built-in support for new features/technologies via Service Packs) in April 2009.
Actually Lion was unavailable for a couple days but Apple has made it available again, you just need to call and you can buy an activation code to download Lion.
Ironically, these machines can probably run Vista through Boot Camp.
I'm pretty sure my 2007 MacBook could happily run Windows 8 and that it's not compatible with ML.
If Apple updates Boot Camp drivers for your 2007 to be compatible with Windows 8. I somehow don't see that happening.