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Apple Releases OS X Mountain Lion Developer Preview 3

pray for a stable lion version first bug free...before come out the next sloppy os release mountain lion full of bugs again
 
wikus said:
I updated the screenshot, I know I posted the wrong preference window, but my point still stands. Mission Control is botched.



This however, is false. If you have 3 windows open in Illustrator and another 3 open in Photoshop and you want to drag an object from illustrator to photoshop, you need to do the following;

1) Click and hold the desired object in Illustrator
2) Hit a hot corner to activate mission control (show all windows, grouped by app)
3) Hover and hold over the group of windows in Photoshop
4) Hit another hot corner to show all windows from within Photoshop
5) Hover and hold over desired open document in Photoshop
6) Let go of the object and it gets pasted in

STEPS 3 AND 4 RIGHT THERE ARE WHY MISSION CONTROL IS A FAILURE.

Expose allowed everyone to go DIRECTLY into the desired open document window of any specific application, bypassing steps three and four. Lion DID NOT make things easier, it made workflow SLOWER.

This has been complained about for the past year from Mac OS users while a huge number of Apple fanboys for some reason NEGATE this issue and dismiss even having a single checkmark in System Preferences to ungroup. ITS ONE SINGLE CHECKMARK. I don't care if Apple ships the OS with grouping turned on by default to satisfy the arrogant userbase, just so as long as they give everyone else a SINGLE OPTION.

When and WHY did the apple community start to dismiss simple options as this?!?!
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I don't know if its a new feature to Mountain Lion, but you can drag the object from Illustrator that you want to drop into a Photoshop document by dragging directly onto the Photoshop icon in the dock. This pops into Mission Controls 'exposé' mode, showing all open windows of the target across all spaces in a grid. Hover over the target window and hit spacebar to pop it to the front. Let go of the object. That eliminates your steps (3) and (4) in your list above.
 
bedifferent said:
1. "All Windows" is gone from Expose
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Yeah I don't miss that. All Windows Exposé was not that great. You guys must have really great eyesight cause I could never pick out which window was what. I love having the application groupings with the icon handle. Everything just makes more sense now.

bedifferent said:
2. Spaces was much easier in 10.5/6. Open it, see your grid (and it supported multiple displays), drag windows from one desktop to another without needing to add extra keys, assigning apps was easier than going to a desktop, making sure the app is in your dock, option clicking, selecting "Assign to this Desktop", then moving to another desktop, and repeating with other apps. This was done easily in Spaces System Preferences. One step, now it's many more.
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I'm with you on this but I don't think MC is garbage. It's a first generation feature. It definitely needs a little more love. With a little fine tuning, it can be amazing.

App Expose is still there. Show Desktop is still there. You can still drag from one app to another. A little tighter integration between App Expose and Mission Control would really make a difference.

But you're right. I don't see why they can't add some of those System Preferences back. There's nothing wrong with having two ways of doing things.

I have to say, I actually find myself using Spaces more now than I ever did. Something about the gestures - the accessibility of it all. It just seems more fluid.
 
iBug2 said:
You can now turn off auto save.

And finder windows display a small bar for file copying process, indicating how much of the file is copied.
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You can turn off autosave? As in stop one of the worst features of Lion dead in its tracks? As in we're actually getting some control back? If that also means no cumbersome version control system, I might switch back with ML, at least partially.

Although that still leaves MC, resize anywhere and fullscreen mode that need to have options attached, so we're still a ways from acceptable. I dropped my MBP back to SL, so nice!
 
wikus said:
A single checkbox in System Preferences isnt somehow going to make things any different. Here's how it looks like in OS X Lion currently;

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Heres how it is in Snow Leopard;

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Anyone that knows how to use System Preferences wont find the single extra checkmark any more confusing. The options in OS X change regularly anyway, but Apple has failed miserably to give multitaskers some proper options with Mission Control, that is to say, Expose was fantastic, seeing ALL my open windows ALL AT ONCE by hitting a hot corner gave me the ability to quickly go from Illustrator to Photoshop without hitting any keys or using a trackpad and, this is the big one; without releasing any objects i've selected in Illustrator. Direct drag and drop via Expose is now GONE.
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It's really not a good idea to move objects between Illustrator and Photoshop anyway. As a designer, I would exercise caution doing it this way. I know it's quicker, but consider saving as an image then opening it in the respective program that way.
 
I don't get why Lion is being compared to Snow Leopard here. Dragging straight to a single window in Exposé still worked in SL, but only 10.4/10.5 Exposé got dragging to a Dock icon right. Try dragging a file onto the Skype icon when the app is closed to open the contact list in 10.6 or 10.7... :( Drag & drop went downhill from there.

Anyway, does anyone have experience with this DP yet? The issues list is scary, but my DP2 experience has been more stable than with 10.7.3+ so far.
 
tkermit said:
That's incorrect or at the very least misleading. You can still drag objects to any specific window visible in Mission Control or App Exposé. And App Exposé can be activated via MC without having to drop the object first. You can also drag objects to Dock icons directly, thereby (by hovering over the icon) activating App Exposé.

(This is all possible in Lion and, presumably, Mountain Lion.).
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Its not misleading at all, since obviously youre not aware of the use of Expose. The reason why Expose is great is because it allows you to have an object selected by clicking on it, hitting a hot corner to activate Expose and go DIRECTLY into your desired window. Your solution is flawed because

a) Mission Control while may allow that, you'll probably need more steps if the application has 2 or more windows open because your desired window may not be the one you wanted when you go into the application, it MUST be the top most window and if it isnt you need to spread out the document windows, activating Expose/Mission Control AGAIN.

b) The same thing happens as in a) when you go through the dock's application icon; you DONT KNOW if your desired document window will come up if there are 2 or more.

The solution is simple and way too many people are arrogant about it, basically following and believing Apple's 'Our way or the highway' mentality;

JUST ADD A SINGLE CHECKMARK IN SYSTEM PREFERENCES TO ALLOW UNGROUPED WINDOWS TO APPEAR WHEN MISSION CONTROL IS ACTIVATED.

You can even keep your holy grail Mission Control the way it is as default settings, I don't care. All I want is an OPTION.

When did options become this evil horrible thing in the mac community? Why is everyone in this forum against options in system preferences when thats EXACTLY what system preferences are for!?!?!?!?

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csalm87 said:
It's really not a good idea to move objects between Illustrator and Photoshop anyway. As a designer, I would exercise caution doing it this way. I know it's quicker, but consider saving as an image then opening it in the respective program that way.
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Incorrect.

Its not a good idea at all to build objects in illustrator only to save them as an image and import them via photoshop. Defeats the purpose of Illustrator's vector platform. Secondly, the fact that objects are directly pasted into photoshop makes *ZERO* of a difference. Objects brought in this way are then created as Smart Object layers and allow complete editing of them when opened via illustrator. There is no loss of quality (other than what the document's DPI settings are in PS) and there is no loss of vector handling inside of the Smart Object.

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tkermit said:
I said it could be activated via MC.

Activate a single window in MC by hovering over it with the object you're dragging (or press the space bar to cut out the waiting time), then go into App Exposé (using the gesture, keyboard shortcut etc.). At no time do you have to drop the object you're dragging.
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You can't do that because like I said, if there are 2 or more document windows open in that application, the only way it works is IF the desired document windows is the top-most window in Mission Control. Fanning out those windows has two major problems;

a) requires a trackpad (which is arrogant to assume everyone uses one, I dont and thats even with a MacBook Pro, because a mouse is faster and more accurate)

b) even with a trackpad, the windows are spread out only slightly, by about 20-30 pixels which is completely USELESS as it doesnt allow you to see much more and know which window it is you want to go to.

Seriously, Mission Control is completely out of wack, its suprising how Apple with a long history of executing great User Interfaces could fail so MISERABLY on this.

Its the #1 reason why I got rid of Lion on my 2011 MacBook Pro and switched back to Snow Leopard. It was more of a nuisance than the lag I experienced in Lion, which says a LOT about how badly I hate Mission Control (and I'm not the only one, there are countless threads on MR in the Lion and Mountain Lion forums about this problem).
 
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I found a solution to everything!

If you spread five fingers out, then in again, then swipe four fingers up, circle two fingers to the right then two fingers to the left, then option click, and BAM you activate 10.5/6 Spaces :p

See? Piece o' cake!
 
When are they going to copy some nice technological improvements from Windows 8? Like being able to pause file copy/move operations, and other misc. things that should be in a modern desktop OS in 2012.
 
Options

www.apple.com/feedback

I like many of the new features. However, some features carried over from Lion need implementation improvements.

Apple needs to provide users with options allowing users to control the implementation of Mountain Lion features in their work environments.

Here is my list:

Versions - Great Idea, implementation needs refinement

Versions needs to provide users with an option to change default behavior for specific apps. Versions can be useful in Pages or Numbers but it can be a real irritant in Preview. An option to change Versions default behavior for a specific app could be placed inside of Get Info.

Restore Save As along with Save A Version - Save As did two things easily, new name, new location. The new system of Duplicate, Save A Version and Export is not as easy or useful as Save As. Windows switchers in particular are irate over the loss of Save As.

Resume – Good Idea, implementation needs refinement

Resume needs to provide users with an option to change default behavior for specific apps. Resume can be useful in Safari but it can be a real irritant in Preview or Quicktime. An option to change Resume's default behavior for a specific app could be placed inside of Get Info.

Please See:

http://www.reghardware.com/2011/09/07/apple_mac_os_x_lion_the_nanny_os/


Automatic Application Termination - modify implementation

Automatic Termination needs an option to change system wide default behavior. Automatic Application Termination might be useful for some users but it can be a real irritant for experienced users.

When the application automatically terminates without user permission, it is the same to the user as an application crash!

Please See http://vimeo.com/34711608


Reopen Windows Next Time

Option in System Preferences to eliminate “reopen windows next time”. (Reduce the frustration of having to recheck this option each time the computer is restarted). It would be nice if Mountain Lion would allow users to permanently set preferences so the question never appeared.

AutoSave

AutoSave needs to provide users with an option to change the default behavior for specific apps. AutoSave can be useful in Pages or Numbers but it can be a real irritant in Preview. An option to change AutoSave default behavior for a specific app could be placed inside of Get Info.

Restore option for colored icons in finder sidebar - Colored icons really help in providing tech support to clients.


Restore Quick Look – zoom in on pdfs.


Columns that resize properly in “Kind View".


Optional restoration of scroll arrows

This is a major issue when the computer requires small steady input - photo and video editing, spreadsheets, databases etc.

Please see https://discussions.apple.com/thread/3252617?start=0&tstart=0

Mouse Speed & Acceleration

Need an option to set both mouse pointer speed and acceleration curve. (Most frequent complaint I receive from former Windows users).


Green Zoom Button Behavior

Option in System Preferences to set Green Zoom button to Window Maximize - (Window fills screen except for Dock). As it stands now it is up to each developer how this function works therefore the behavior is very inconsistent.
Second most frequent complaint I receive from Windows switchers.

Client Comment:

"I have looked at the iMac carefully, as my kids have one at home. Even though I'd like to switch to Apple, I find two issues with the Mac unacceptable for my purposes .

The inability to fully maximize a program is irritating, as I am used to doing that regularly. Also the cursor movements with the mouse are too jerky. Unfortunately these 2 features will force me to continue down the Microsoft OS path."

Mission Control - Add a single checkmark in System Preferences to allow ungrouped windows to appear when Mission Control is activated.

If you agree, please send this note to Apple at www.apple.com/feedback
 
Here we go again with this crap. Sometimes i think this whole forum is filled with retarded nolifers. Jesus ****ing christ ...
 
I have to say Mountain Lion truly is shaping up to be the most amazing operating system ever released by anyone. Innovative, usable, beautiful, pleasurable, no wonder the whole world is switching to Macs.
 
wikus said:
A single checkbox in System Preferences isnt somehow going to make things any different. Here's how it looks like in OS X Lion currently;

Image

Heres how it is in Snow Leopard;

Image

Anyone that knows how to use System Preferences wont find the single extra checkmark any more confusing. The options in OS X change regularly anyway, but Apple has failed miserably to give multitaskers some proper options with Mission Control, that is to say, Expose was fantastic, seeing ALL my open windows ALL AT ONCE by hitting a hot corner gave me the ability to quickly go from Illustrator to Photoshop without hitting any keys or using a trackpad and, this is the big one; without releasing any objects i've selected in Illustrator. Direct drag and drop via Expose is now GONE.
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^^^THIS^^^

Expose -> Mission Control was a big step backwards and often makes me want to go back to Snow Leopard. Fix it, Apple.
 
wikus said:
I updated the screenshot, I know I posted the wrong preference window, but my point still stands. Mission Control is botched.



This however, is false. If you have 3 windows open in Illustrator and another 3 open in Photoshop and you want to drag an object from illustrator to photoshop, you need to do the following;

1) Click and hold the desired object in Illustrator
2) Hit a hot corner to activate mission control (show all windows, grouped by app)
3) Hover and hold over the group of windows in Photoshop
4) Hit another hot corner to show all windows from within Photoshop
5) Hover and hold over desired open document in Photoshop
6) Let go of the object and it gets pasted in

STEPS 3 AND 4 RIGHT THERE ARE WHY MISSION CONTROL IS A FAILURE.

Expose allowed everyone to go DIRECTLY into the desired open document window of any specific application, bypassing steps three and four. Lion DID NOT make things easier, it made workflow SLOWER.

This has been complained about for the past year from Mac OS users while a huge number of Apple fanboys for some reason NEGATE this issue and dismiss even having a single checkmark in System Preferences to ungroup. ITS ONE SINGLE CHECKMARK. I don't care if Apple ships the OS with grouping turned on by default to satisfy the arrogant userbase, just so as long as they give everyone else a SINGLE OPTION.

When and WHY did the apple community start to dismiss simple options as this?!?!
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For the record, I've said several times that there should be such a check box, so I'm not sure the "fanboy" and "arrogant" comments are needed.

Also, it's a bit weird that you said my statement ("you can drag stuff between windows using MC") is false, and then proceed to explain exactly how to do it :D

Yes there's an extra (very quick) step or two, but I certainly don't agree that makes it "botched" or a "failure". But as I said, a checkbox wouldn't hurt.
 
I sure hope they'll allow me to turn of AutoSave in Mountain Lion or I'll be stuck on Snow Leopard forever and will eventually be forced to switch away from the Mac platform when SL becomes too outdated.
 
Oblivion2500 said:
I am getting worry about this OS X...will there be more features before it comes out? It looks like Apple is only giving us 30 new features instead of usual 200 new features like in the previous release of OS X.
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The timeframe between Lion and Mountain Lion is shorter than usual, about half. So I would expect about half of the features. The current marketing material for the Preview is incomplete so I wouldn't be surprised if we got to closer to the expected number of features in time for the final release later this year.

Also, features can of course not really be just counted and compared that way. Snow Leopard contained a ton of changes, but mostly under the hood and many minor ones, for example, and another may contain more obvious stuff.

Why more frequent releases with less new features? I think Apple is doing this to stay more current with trends. They can be more agile in adapting to the market this way. This can be important now that so much is going on with PC's, tablets, and mobile devices, integration with these, etc. It's fun times to take part in. Windows 8 is diverging a lot from OS X now, and this is a sign of so many things being shook up and why Apple may feel a need to act more quickly to adapt than before. I personally think Apple will come out healthier than Microsoft from this. I think it's a mistake to try to build a Frankenstein OS when the human-computer interaction looks so different as for PC's vs tablets.
 
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Will people shut up about Mission Control already. If you have a problem go to apple.com/feedback and stop whining in the forums.

Everyone here already knows whats wrong...doesn't mean we can fix it. So why not whine to those who actually can

Geez.
 
MartiNZ said:
You can turn off autosave? As in stop one of the worst features of Lion dead in its tracks? As in we're actually getting some control back? If that also means no cumbersome version control system, I might switch back with ML, at least partially.

Although that still leaves MC, resize anywhere and fullscreen mode that need to have options attached, so we're still a ways from acceptable. I dropped my MBP back to SL, so nice!
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Are you kidding me? Both full screen mode and resize anywhere are completely optional. You may never go full screen or keep resizing from the bottom right if you want.

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sorenladegaard said:
I sure hope they'll allow me to turn of AutoSave in Mountain Lion or I'll be stuck on Snow Leopard forever and will eventually be forced to switch away from the Mac platform when SL becomes too outdated.
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They did. I posted it two pages ago. Not to mention, Auto Save is NOT a system wide feature. It's an API. If the developers wants to incorporate it in their apps, they can. If not, that app will never have auto save.
 
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