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The ONLY problem I have with SL is that I stupidly upgraded to Lion. Spewin. Totally my fault, should have waited till .1 or .2 I have never had a Mac crash so many times :(
 
Way to be snarky.

Not everyone has a perfect experience. Just like not everyone has Lion crashing and having apps that worked fine under Snow Leopard.

Your experience is not everyone's.

My experience is that Snow Leopard works fine. Why would I want to install Lion and be a beta tester for Apple? If you have no reason to run 3rd party apps and just like to play with the OS, then have at it. But the test for any OS to prove it's worth, is how well it gets along with other applications.
 
They're being pretty sloppy in Cupertino, that they have to patch the patch so quickly....

Apple's secrecy burns its customers, again.

I'm just amazed so many people installed Lion on their prime machine within days of the OS launching. Talk about incompetence! I have zero sympathy for people complaining about bugs & other teething problems. They should have waited until at least .1 or a .2 update.
 
Guess 10.7.1 is on the horizon?

I anticipate a early-mid-August release for 10.7.1 (or .2?)
 
I'm just amazed so many people installed Lion on their prime machine within days of the OS launching. Talk about incompetence! I have zero sympathy for people complaining about bugs & other teething problems. They should have waited until at least .1 or a .2 update.

Incompetence? Have you read how many people are thrilled with Lion? I chose to wait to see if any bugs would emerge that would be s showstopper for me (there aren't), but I'm still waiting a bit longer. That doesn't make me "competent," just cautious.
 
Looks like there's a new build number

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The lesson for all of this is never be the first for something new - unless it is something you need now because it is an unknown quantity. Those that bought Aperture 3 in the beginning got burned badly.

Once you are the first to buy something and got burned a few times (this has nothing to do with Apple) then you learn a lesson that should last a lifetime. I had to buy the latest Nikon camera in 2005, the D200, for a trip to Alaska. I bought the first day it was out and it went back for repairs a total of 5x, four of which was for something different. I lost about two month of shooting for all those repairs. Software, hardware, this, that, or the other thing, being first can be a risky venture.

About always being the first... 'fool me once shame on you. fool me twice shame on me'
 
I've seen reports from people who have a first or second gen Intel Mac Mini that had the CPU upgraded to a "Core 2 Duo". Lion still refuses to install, so it must be looking for something else like the model identifier. They haven't reported yet whether workaround methods like cloning will get Lion running.

On the contrary, there is already a thread about this and the workaround is easy as long as you have another Lion supported Mac available. Put the mini in Firewire target mode and hook up to another Mac from which you run the update with the mini as the target drive.

https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/1107457/

You are right on the money about the 2GB ram ceiling, though. Sooner or later that is going to bite. Programmers are getting sloppier and software is hoovering up RAM.
 
Wonder if that migration assistant update to lion had anything to do with this. I didn't do any updates that had anything to do with lion. My original 6.8 is running fine. I will stay here until the 3rd update is released before I decide if I want lion. No need to fix something thats not broken.
 
My experience is that Snow Leopard works fine. Why would I want to install Lion and be a beta tester for Apple? If you have no reason to run 3rd party apps and just like to play with the OS, then have at it. But the test for any OS to prove it's worth, is how well it gets along with other applications.

While it would be nice if 3rd-party software worked perfectly from day one with Lion, Apple can't force people to update their products. No matter how much time and coding resources they give.
 
"- Certain network printers that pause print jobs immediately and fail to complete "

We have this problem. Almost every second day the wife calls me at work complaining the printer is paused and it won't let her unpause it as her account isn't an administrator.

Only started happening with one of the last few SL updates. :mad:
 
The lesson for all of this is never be the first for something new - unless it is something you need now because it is an unknown quantity.

If everyone did this Lion would never have made it to full release, i.e., nothing new would gain any traction.
 
I know my experience isn't the same as everyone else's but i must be the luckiest man alive since I ALWAYS buy Rev A Macs and install the newest OSs on the release date without a problem.

Maybe I should play the Lotto today - LOL!
 
If everyone did this Lion would never have made it to full release, i.e., nothing new would gain any traction.

Correct, but early adopters should be prepared to deal with bugs. I am glad a lot of people seem to have test machines and can blaze the trail-- we all benefit. But if you can't deal with bugs and incompatibilities, you would be well advised to wait. I'm in the second position-- I always wait at least a week or two, even for minor updates, to see what the issues are. I'm not sure what I'm going to do about Lion yet. I first need to upgrade some of my older apps to recent versions, at significant cost-- something I would not have had to do if I were not planning a Lion upgrade. In any case, based on early life problems people are experiencing, I'm expecting I won't upgrade before 10.7.1.
 
Lion will not run on a "Core Duo" processor, nor a "Core Solo" (used on the first generation Intel Mac Mini), since those processors are 32-bit.

Lion requires a 64-bit processor ("Core 2 Duo", "Xeon", "Core i3", "Core i5" or "Core i7"). There is no way to work around this requirement, since a lot of the code in Lion is only compiled for 64-bit processors.

I've seen reports from people who have a first or second gen Intel Mac Mini that had the CPU upgraded to a "Core 2 Duo". Lion still refuses to install, so it must be looking for something else like the model identifier. They haven't reported yet whether workaround methods like cloning will get Lion running.

Even if a workaround was successful, maximum RAM in the models that originally came with a Core Solo/Duo is 2 GB, which doesn't give you any room for expansion over Lion's minimum.

I have Lion running on my 2 GHz mid 2007 Mac Mini (which came with a Core 2 Duo), in 2 GB of RAM. It has about 1 GB of free RAM after the system is up and running, which is probably enough for lightweight use but I wouldn't want to run memory hungry apps. It seems fine for basic use and my own compatibility testing.

I'm kind of surprised Lion does not support the earliest Intel Macs.

Am I the only one who's noticed that Apple is increasingly throwing its previous customers under the bus with reckless abandon and sooner and sooner?

Meanwhile, Microsoft is still supporting Windows XP. Go figure.

Fanboys here say Apple doesn't have the resources, yet they're building a billion dollar new campus.

And then Apple has the nerve to brag about their billions in cash reserves in financial reports?

My arrogance meter has gone off the charts.
 
I'm kind of surprised Lion does not support the earliest Intel Macs.

Am I the only one who's noticed that Apple is increasingly throwing its previous customers under the bus with reckless abandon and sooner and sooner?

Meanwhile, Microsoft is still supporting Windows XP. Go figure.

Fanboys here say Apple doesn't have the resources, yet they're building a billion dollar new campus.

And then Apple has the nerve to brag about their billions in cash reserves in financial reports?

My arrogance meter has gone off the charts.

It's actually more a combination of the Core Duo not being a 64-bit chip and Lion being 64-bit only. Lion can still run 32-bit apps but the OS is fully 64-bit. You can't blame Apple for the chips at that time not being 64-bit.

You do understand why 64-bit is better right? It means it can crunch up to twice the data in the same processes and at the same speed. Leaving 32-bit Macs behind is the same idea as leaving PowerPC behind.
 
It's actually more a combination of the Core Duo not being a 64-bit chip and Lion being 64-bit only. Lion can still run 32-bit apps but the OS is fully 64-bit. You can't blame Apple for the chips at that time not being 64-bit.

You do understand why 64-bit is better right? It means it can crunch up to twice the data in the same processes and at the same speed. Leaving 32-bit Macs behind is the same idea as leaving PowerPC behind.

I totally agree with everything you said on a technical basis.

But my point is still the same, Apple throwing previous customers under the bus at a quicker rate than Microsoft.

Let's face it, Snow Leopard is basically an Intel only update/bug fix for Leopard. Lion is a 64bit version of Snow Leopard with some IOS features added.

Because Lion and Snow Leopard were so inexpensive, I have no problem with Apple regarding their support.

But I think Apple needs to continue to support Leopard itself still.
 
I have a Mini that I was(am) having problems with the audio cutting out via optical. I thought that maybe I caused it when I opened it up to drop it back down to 2GB of RAM from 4 (the 4 then went in my mid 09 MBP). Thought that maybe I didn't get the audio connection back on properly because the first time I opened it up I forgot and then of course had no audio.

This was intermittant, and it seemed I could sometimes fix it by going into the Sound system pref and changing the alert sound - but it could just have been coincidental.

I have an audio problem too. I get cut outs almost like a skipping sound on all my tunes at times. Sometimes when I switch windows or do any cpu related. I have an early 09 mac mini 2.0 with 8 gigs of RAM. I just had my first airpot glitch today. Pretty buggy release compared to SL. Its cool but I hope they put out an update soon. They probably will take awhile seeing how there are so many they probably want to address as many as possible.
 
I totally agree with everything you said on a technical basis.

But my point is still the same, Apple throwing previous customers under the bus at a quicker rate than Microsoft.

Let's face it, Snow Leopard is basically an Intel only update/bug fix for Leopard. Lion is a 64bit version of Snow Leopard with some IOS features added.

Because Lion and Snow Leopard were so inexpensive, I have no problem with Apple regarding their support.

But I think Apple needs to continue to support Leopard itself still.

I think it's safe to say there will be a Leopard/Snow Leopard user base for some time to come since there are so many PowerPC and Core Duo (solo also) out there. Also, a lot of creative businesses and schools normally take forever to upgrade the OS on their systems.
 
It's actually more a combination of the Core Duo not being a 64-bit chip and Lion being 64-bit only. Lion can still run 32-bit apps but the OS is fully 64-bit. You can't blame Apple for the chips at that time not being 64-bit.

You do understand why 64-bit is better right? It means it can crunch up to twice the data in the same processes and at the same speed. Leaving 32-bit Macs behind is the same idea as leaving PowerPC behind.

Um, Intel puts out road maps. So Apple knew there would be 64 bit mobile chips by the end of the year. They could have waited.
 
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