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Safari is not based on "Apple's own proprietary software" it is based on "web kit" which is being developed by Apple, Nokia, Google and many othersand is Open Source. Web Kit powers server other browsers other then just Safari

Firefox is being developed by mozilla foundationand it is also open source.

I intended to say Apple products running Safari. FYI I was a Webkit user for the last two months. Where's the link suggesting Apple was using inside understanding of the Intel-Mac architecture to outpace other browsers?
 
BTW, windows version of firefox 3 nightly has PGO enabled, it is probably 15~20% faster than recent webkit nightly, which means windows firefox should be ~35-40% faster than safari 3.1 ?? do me a favor, goto ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/firefox/nightly/latest-trunk/ grab a firefox nightly for windows and do a test against safari 3.1.

Yep - that PGO thing is some sweet sauce :) - FF3 nightly is faster than Safari 3.1 - for bonus FF3 also looks better than Safari on Windows!
 

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I bet the people who have 1PW working are using the latest 2.5.12 beta version. I suggest updating to the latest beta version.
1Password 2.5.11 works fine for me (on OSX 10.4.11). Could all the people who are seeing failures be running 10.5?
 
1Password

Found this:

1Password and Safari 3.1 - FYI
Posted by: Semstudent (IP Logged)
Date: March 18, 2008 01:29PM

For those using 1Password (and somewhat dependent upon it!) with the new Safari came a bug for me, thought I'd share the work around for the benefit of others since I couldn't find the answer when I needed it.

You have to open 1Password, go to preferences and enable "Beta" versions to download. Check for update, then restart 1Password and Safari. Phew! I can't imagine living without my 1Password (which is a sad testimony to my laziness). Hope this helps someone today.

:eek:)

It worked for Poncho
 
Yep - that PGO thing is some sweet sauce :) - FF3 nightly is faster than Safari 3.1 - for bonus FF3 also looks better than Safari on Windows!

LOL, consider it a blessing that Apple doesn't conform to MS's ugly Aero interface. All that hideous transparency around the browser boarders in Firefox and I.E., you can barely see the title bar. Just imagine how the Mac community would react if all of Apple's window boarders were like that?
It works great in Quicklook but nothing else.
 
Major flaws

Well, it still can't show properly jpegs in many websites.

For example, http://www.gballard.net/psd/go_live_page_profile/embeddedJPEGprofiles.html#

It will show all pictures like this, either tagged as Adobe RGB 1998, sRGB IEC61966-2.1. It will show the picture properly in the website if I put the mouse over so it displays the image as "untagged Adobe RGB (1998)".

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It will also break the API several times in less than 10 minutes of use, rendering like this:

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So far the Safari experience in Windows is a major disappointment. :-\
 
Yeah, but how does it fare versus Webkit nightly?

good question

1. safari 3.1 is what end user will use. and today's firefox nightly will be the closest to firefox 3 final (code supposed to freeze tonight). so it fair to compare firefox today's nightly and safari 3.1

2. if u goto mozillazine.org 's firefox build forum. you can find data showing firefox nightly passed webkit nightly on windows 3 weeks ago. last data i saw there indicates 19 percentage faster of firefox.

ps. above screenshot with safari score 4400ms. that one looks like webkit nightly to me. it never id itself anyway, and confusing to install... or maybe windows safari 3.1 is using different webkit core?

3. firefox 3 nightly passed webkit nightly on Mac 3 days ago. now its 1.03 faster than webkit nightly. some pending changes (probably won't be fast enough to make into firefox 3) accelerate extra 15 percent.
 
Pithhelmet appears to work after applying this treatment gleaned from their site.

I used textwrangler to change it to 5526 and it all seems tickety-boo!

YMMV, of course! :)

I also found the below instructions to be very helpful! Followed them and Pith Helmet worked like a charm.

An unofficial fix so that Pith Helmet works with Safari 3.1:

1. Quit Safari.
2. Navigate to /Library/Application Support/SIMBL/Plugins/PithHelmet.bundle.
3. Control click to show package contents.
4. Open bundle and go to Contents.
5. Double click info.plist
6. Change MaxBundleVersion to 5525 (or what ever is the current Safari build for your version of the new Safari). It will then look like this:
<key>MaxBundleVersion</key>
<string>5525</string>
7. Save and relaunch Safari.

As always, it is best to have a verified backup, just in case… ;)
 
I do understand that if Apple is going to put a browser on other platforms it SHOULD work but I am really surprised that any Windows user expects Safari to be perfect on Windows. MS never made I.E. work even half as well on Mac OS X and we all know it was done that way purposely.

Having Safari on Windows is just to get the developers using the iPhone to make websites work better with Safari so safari becomes the browser of choice and so that Mac users aren't left in the cold on those stupid I.E. centric websites.
 
Were the

History----->Reopen last closed window
and
History------>Reopen all windows from last session

always there? I missed these from Firefox and I never noticed them on Safari until I was using the latest ADC beta.

Want to see something that is major cool? Check out the new HISTORY FLOW!
 
New 1Password available with Safari 3.1 support.

Cool.

Just did a check for a new version of 1Password and apparently a new version came out 1 second before I checked! (see attached image).
 

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Having Safari on Windows is just to get the developers using the iPhone to make websites work better with Safari so safari becomes the browser of choice and so that Mac users aren't left in the cold on those stupid I.E. centric websites.

I don't think so, because to code for iPhone you must own Leopard, so naturally they'll want to see their websites working fine in Safari... It's not like people coding for iPhone using Windows and having Safari to test anything.

In fact, I really don't see why people would use Safari in Windows, hehe. I did install to check it, but so far it's quite a disappointment. Heck, even when I'm using OS X I use Firefox 3beta4....
 
I don't think so, because to code for iPhone you must own Leopard, so naturally they'll want to see their websites working fine in Safari... It's not like people coding for iPhone using Windows and having Safari to test anything.

In fact, I really don't see why people would use Safari in Windows, hehe. I did install to check it, but so far it's quite a disappointment. Heck, even when I'm using OS X I use Firefox 3beta4....

You didn't read my post correctly, it had nothing to do with developing for the iPhone. I mentioned that people using the iPhone (such as developers, developing websties) will want their websites to work with Safari (Mac, Windows, whatever).
 
I do understand that if Apple is going to put a browser on other platforms it SHOULD work but I am really surprised that any Windows user expects Safari to be perfect on Windows.

There is nothing functionally wrong with Safari on Windows - it is just the very different Look and Feel along with the font rendering that makes it look awful on Windows. Apple will have a killer browser that will get market share like crazy if they just gave it a native look and feel.
 
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