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I feel like this Studio Display needs a hardware update, asap. Apple is justifying it with software patches. It's better than nothing I guess.
Seriously? Do you actually have one?
I love mine.
Yes, I had the sound issue but only once and it was resolved by a re-boot. And now fixed by a software update.
Yes, it's expensive, but streets ahead of the LG interim model I had after my Thunderbolt display finally started to give up the ghost after 10 years.
So why am I a fan?
Simplicity, great design, quality finish, excellent sound for an integrated unit (I hate added unnecessary peripherals like speakers/mics/cameras etc) and a great display.
IMHO, the camera thing is a non issue - more than good enough for office/work/social calls on Zoom/Teams since I'm not into "semi professional" broadcasting.
But, as I said only my opinion, but one based on using it all day, every day from the day it was released.
 
Seriously? Do you actually have one?
I love mine.
Yes, I had the sound issue but only once and it was resolved by a re-boot. And now fixed by a software update.
Yes, it's expensive, but streets ahead of the LG interim model I had after my Thunderbolt display finally started to give up the ghost after 10 years.
So why am I a fan?
Simplicity, great design, quality finish, excellent sound for an integrated unit (I hate added unnecessary peripherals like speakers/mics/cameras etc) and a great display.
IMHO, the camera thing is a non issue - more than good enough for office/work/social calls on Zoom/Teams since I'm not into "semi professional" broadcasting.
But, as I said only my opinion, but one based on using it all day, every day from the day it was released.

Funny thing. I got the monitor yesterday and was expecting the camera to be not great but this morning I did FaceTime with my family and I didn’t tell them I was using a different camera and they said the video looked much better than my iPad and iPhone that I usually use for FaceTime.

So then I showed off Center Stage.
 
It seems that other devices being connected to the display during the update might be the trigger for such issues (and those are of course legion and their behaviour is effectively unpredictable).

I have both my ASDs connected directly to the Mac Studio with none of the USB ports on the ASDs in use and the update went trough quickly and without a hitch (macOS is up to date).

But I can't say for sure if that's the reason; Users who did have issues could possibly shed more light on this.

I'm really leaning towards thinking that is the case. On the support for getting stuck in restore mode they suggest unplugging all of the cables from the Mac and the ASD and then trying again.

That's not how testing works. Companies have to anticipate every possible peripheral that can be connected to either device to figure out if some hardware interaction can cause problems. The simple case of Studio Display connected to Mac with no other peripherals involved probably doesn't ever fail. Stick some permutation of hundreds of different peripherals and things do start to fail. Whether it's power draw, power surges, third party driver interaction, some change in system caused by a peripheral can cause things to fail.

I'm a software engineer. I understand how testing works. I was describing my exact scenario. Brand new M1 Pro Mac and a brand new Studio Display. First experience with upgrading the ASD with no other peripherals attached is getting stuck in restore mode.
 
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I ordered two VESA mount Studio Displays on 26 July with the standard glass. They shipped on 6 August from a facility in Tennessee and will be here 9 August. There is no "China origin" showing on the shipping paperwork like I am used to seeing for the BTO computers. So it appears there may be some building of inventory in the US of these Apple Studio Display units.

My fully loaded Apple Studio M1 Ultra computer was ordered on 6 July and gets here 11 October.

So I will initially connect them one at time to my 14" MBPro M1 Max to verify and update as necessary with no other accessories involved. In fact, the computer will use WiFi to get the upgrades vs an ethernet adapter. Trying to make a truly plain Apple only connection with no external variables.
 
It really is true. You don’t even need to compare a Studio to an XDR - just look at the iPad Pro 9.7 to 12 inch, again at medium brightness in a controlled lighting setup. They’re indistinguishable for the most part.
Sort of like this comparison of a 12.9 inch iPad Pro M1 with miniLED and a regular 12.9 iPad Pro with the old display? Can’t even tell the difference, huh?

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Sort of like this comparison of a 12.9 inch iPad Pro M1 with miniLED and a regular 12.9 iPad Pro with the old display? Can’t even tell the difference, huh?

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That's a silly comparison at a severely off-axis angle where the LCD doesn't remotely have its full contrast.

The left one is also clearly set to much higher brightness than the right one.

This picture is pure fakery and completely misleading.

And it's not even a competent manipulation!

In actual reality the black level on the ASD is mostly undetectable by daylight (where reflectivity of ambient light by the glass is more relevant) and still mostly unproblematic under dimmer lighting conditions (where it is set to a lower brightness level).

Where HDR really makes a difference is with mostly dark video watched in a mostly dark room, because other than that bright parts of UI and content and reflection of ambient light dominate the residual panel black level.

(Glossy or matte only says whether those reflections are recognizable or blurred, but the amount of reflections is not really different, or actually better with glossy.)

I personally don't watch movies on my ASDs in a dark room, so HDR is mostly irrelevant to me and mini LED blooming artefacts would actually irritate me a lot more, which is why I explicitly did not want that in my displays! (It would not be an issue if Apple supported a non-blooming display mode on their XDR displays but as far as I'm aware they do not.)
 
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The 500 nits don’t help with blacks. You need local dimming zones.
The 500 nits help a lot with actually getting the full contrast range even by daylight. Otherwise you'd get much worse effective contrast simply by the residual reflectivity of ambient light drowning out the panel's black level anyway, even if the panel had perfect contrast.

If watching movies in a dark room (or editing them) is your main usage mini LED may be great, but when working with text the blooming artefacts in white-on-black UIs would drive me nuts!

For this my main usage a consistent backlight and decent contrast purely by the panel is far better and doesn't waste a major surcharge for a feature I wouldn't use or want in the first place.
 
You're quoting someone who doesn't own the display.

Also you can see the difference on text between a 4K display and 5K display connected to a Mac probably due to macOS bad handling of 4K resolutions.

I also tend to lean into the display having a distance of about 10" to 15".
I don’t get why/how Apple, a company that provides computers to content providers (including video production), handles native 4K resolution so poorly. Why is it that they built their own OS and displays around oddball resolutions that make 4K look terrible?
 
I don’t get why/how Apple, a company that provides computers to content providers (including video production), handles native 4K resolution so poorly.
Apple doesn't keep you from running a 4k display at native resolution and if editing or watching 4k video is important to you, you can of course do that with full macOS support.

Why is it that they built their own OS and displays around oddball resolutions that make 4K look terrible?
4k doesn't look "terrible" by anything Apple is doing, it just looks grainy and pixelated by comparison to 5k (when both are 27") simply by that insufficient physical resolution. I've got both resolutions side by side in front of me and I can compare the exact same content on both.

I've tried my 4k in native mode and the larger-appearing UI elements wouldn't have bothered me much, but the actual physical resolution is just very clearly worse than the 5k of the ASD. Switching the 4k to 0.75 scaling (the Mac renders the screen as 5k and only downscales to 4k before sending it to the physical display) has not really made it noticeably worse, but at least the UI size is now consistent with the ASDs, even though the 4k is very noticeably less sharp and more grainy and pixelated, just as it is in native mode.

It's just below the "retina" threshold and at least to my eyes that is actually a thing: on the 4k I see the pixels, on the 5k I don't, and on the 5k ASD text is very noticeably crisper and easier to read.
 
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I don’t get why/how Apple, a company that provides computers to content providers (including video production), handles native 4K resolution so poorly. Why is it that they built their own OS and displays around oddball resolutions that make 4K look terrible?

Apple walked away from a scalable UI after a few prototype attempts. They’re only offering integer scaling — either 1x, or 2x (“Retina”). It’s much simpler from a drawing point of view, but does mean less flexibility compared to, say, Windows, where you can choose something in between like 125%. The downside of Windows’s approach is that all kinds of buggy edge cases continue to exist.

For 4K, you’d have to either go with a ~40-inch display @ 1x or a 21-inch display at 2x, such as in the discontinued 21-inch Retina iMac.
 
For 4K, you’d have to either go with a ~40-inch display @ 1x or a 21-inch display at 2x, such as in the discontinued 21-inch Retina iMac.
Yes, or use it at its native mode anyway (with larger-appearing UI elements on a 27" 4k) or choose a scaled mode which applies pixel downscaling after rendering (which I'm doing on mine) with normally just minor scaling artefacts.

("4k" is really just 3.75k relative to 5k.)
 
I'm really leaning towards thinking that is the case. On the support for getting stuck in restore mode they suggest unplugging all of the cables from the Mac and the ASD and then trying again.



I'm a software engineer. I understand how testing works. I was describing my exact scenario. Brand new M1 Pro Mac and a brand new Studio Display. First experience with upgrading the ASD with no other peripherals attached is getting stuck in restore mode.
So what else do you have installed on your system that might be interfering? If you're a software engineer, you'd have thought of that.
 
Actually ordered it and returned it. if you had retina iMac you would know this is a lazy product, they didn't put much effort. but they can correct this when they release the new one in Q1.
Nope. I've actually switched from an iMac 5k to the Mac Studio with two ASDs (plus another 4k), so I can very much judge that.

The ASD is actually borderline over-engineered, but this makes the actually present features as good as they can be (although Center Stage will likely remain controversial).

What people have been moaning about are mostly two "missing" features:

1. 120Hz: That is simply not possible because Thunderbolt doesn't have the data rate. The only ways to achieve that would be by occupying two Thunderbolt ports or by using compression, meaning accepting a loss of quality which would make the whole feature completely pointless and also squeezing any other devices on the same bus. So this is simply not an option until a future Thunderbolt version with double the bandwidth again so 53Gb/s for the uncompressed video stream becomes feasible and there's still some bandwidth left for other devices, too.

2. mini LED: Would currently raise the price by a lot (likely to the $3000-$4000 range!) and would force blooming artefacts on text-oriented users like me who'd absolutely hate that. Both the massively increased cost and blooming artefacts would probably have kept me from buying.

If you want to see a lazy product just look at the LG Ultrafine 5k which is shoddily designed even relative to other LG monitors. It's exactly why I had been waiting until Apple got the ASD which is what the LG should always have been. It was a big mistake by Apple to delegate this to LG!
 
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(never mind - and why does this forum not allow people to simply remove a post they’ve decided they don’t want anymore?)
 
Historically, Apple did a much better job of hitting the mark 1st iteration. All the hyped marketing BS has gone too far imo

I'm happy to step aside and let the lemmings go off the cliff or stand around hand wringing in a tizzy for months until Apple sorts out their too-soon-to-market blunders :)

The equipment is far too expensive to accept anything less (and so is my time... doing productive things LOL).
Can you name the products that did better in their 1st generation?

It really doesn’t matter how expensive a piece of equipment is. There will always be some duds. 🤷‍♂️
Your comments just prove my point for me and you are clearly too dense to recognize that.

Nobody expects perfection yet people like you defend the products as if they were. What we do expect is competence and, in the case of this monitor, not a 2015 product in 2022 at 2026 prices.

Imagine what Apple could be if we celebrated its wins and called out its losses equally. No? Ok pathetic fanboyism because we somehow get our identities from our product it is.

Lol move on kid.
You’ve managed to prove my exact point too! You have absolutely nothing to bring to the table other than your extremely salty attitude. 🧂
Im loving the display - I had the speaker glitch once which a reboot fixed. Having an integrated webcam is exactly what I want - the firmware has made some improvement, but the iMac 24 camera definitely performs better and would be happier with. I dont know why they had to go all centre stage with it and I think thats where they made a mistake though not sure how they allowed it to ship like this. It is certainly the case where apple marketing doesn't meet the reality and they should really be pulled up on that. Its not a deal breaker and I wont be changing my monitor, its a great monitor, but the webcam is still has potato cam features. It was a daft move by apple to use that sensor with centre stage .
Center Stage is a very useful feature for some people. I’m glad they included it.
Funny thing. I got the monitor yesterday and was expecting the camera to be not great but this morning I did FaceTime with my family and I didn’t tell them I was using a different camera and they said the video looked much better than my iPad and iPhone that I usually use for FaceTime.

So then I showed off Center Stage.
It goes to show how most people are just imagining the problem themselves. The human brain really likes to screw with us!
Sort of like this comparison of a 12.9 inch iPad Pro M1 with miniLED and a regular 12.9 iPad Pro with the old display? Can’t even tell the difference, huh?

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Was that image taken in very specific lighting conditions? You should see the difference that OLED can make! ;)
The whole first gen display studio, it's trash.
Do you even own one? Have you not seen the countless other people who’ve shared their pleasant experiences with the Apple Studio Display? 🤣
I don’t get why/how Apple, a company that provides computers to content providers (including video production), handles native 4K resolution so poorly. Why is it that they built their own OS and displays around oddball resolutions that make 4K look terrible?
Apple doesn’t make its own 4K display, but LG does. It works great with macOS.

1440p is still the most common resolution in the display industry (by a long shot). 4K displays are still too expensive. I don’t think Apple wants to jump on that train.
Apple walked away from a scalable UI after a few prototype attempts. They’re only offering integer scaling — either 1x, or 2x (“Retina”). It’s much simpler from a drawing point of view, but does mean less flexibility compared to, say, Windows, where you can choose something in between like 125%. The downside of Windows’s approach is that all kinds of buggy edge cases continue to exist.

For 4K, you’d have to either go with a ~40-inch display @ 1x or a 21-inch display at 2x, such as in the discontinued 21-inch Retina iMac.
What “prototype attempts” are you referring to? When was Apple experimenting with them?
Actually ordered it and returned it. if you had retina iMac you would know this is a lazy product, they didn't put much effort. but they can correct this when they release the new one in Q1.
Who said that a new one is being released anytime soon? The current one is only a couple of months old.

You clearly didn’t use the Apple Studio Display for longer than two seconds if you think that it’s a “lazy product” with little effort put into it.
Nope. I've actually switched from an iMac 5k to the Mac Studio with two ASDs (plus another 4k), so I can very much judge that.

The ASD is actually borderline over-engineered, but this makes the actually present features as good as they can be (although Center Stage will likely remain controversial).

What people have been moaning about are mostly two "missing" features:

1. 120Hz: That is simply not possible because Thunderbolt doesn't have the data rate. The only ways to achieve that would be by occupying two Thunderbolt ports or by using compression, meaning accepting a loss of quality which would make the whole feature completely pointless and also squeezing any other devices on the same bus. So this is simply not an option until a future Thunderbolt version with double the bandwidth again so 53Gb/s for the uncompressed video stream becomes feasible and there's still some bandwidth left for other devices, too.

2. mini LED: Would currently raise the price by a lot (likely to the $3000-$4000 range!) and would force blooming artefacts on text-oriented users like me who'd absolutely hate that. Both the massively increased cost and blooming artefacts would probably have kept me from buying.

If you want to see a lazy product just look at the LG Ultrafine 5k which is shoddily designed even relative to other LG monitors. It's exactly why I had been waiting until Apple got the ASD which is what the LG should always have been. It was a big mistake by Apple to delegate this to LG!
Why is Center Stage so controversial? I love it! It’s extremely convenient! 😊
(never mind - and why does this forum not allow people to simply remove a post they’ve decided they don’t want anymore?)
Contributors are able to remove their own posts.
 
Why is Center Stage so controversial? I love it! It’s extremely convenient! 😊
That is clearly the one half of the controversy! 😉

The other is that Apple could also have chosen to spend the higher resolution of the sensor all on a more regular webcam lens which they could have passed through without lossy perspective correction and at better image quality overall, instead of going for the extreme fisheye lens and then using only a small crop of that with additional lossy perspective correction for Center Stage.

With the same-size sensor either choice was possible, but not both at the same time.

Some users obviously prefer the choice they've actually taken but others won't use Center Stage and would have preferred better image quality instead, which would have been the choice they rejected.

But now that's water under the bridge and the alternative option is still possible using a separate camera (even an iPhone).

To me it's just a marginal issue because I hardly use the camera at all anyway.
 
I doubt Apple will have three price points for monitors. The Studio Display costs about a third of the top monitor ($1,599 vs $4,999) now. I guess there is room for a whiz bang unit at the $3,000 price point....
 
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So what else do you have installed on your system that might be interfering? If you're a software engineer, you'd have thought of that.
Pretty standard things. The Xcode beta wasn't even out yet at that time. My point was that getting stuck in restore mode is not an ideal introduction to a new Apple product and it seems to be happening to many people. Don't know why you're being so argumentative about such a simple concept.
 
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