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Finally Getting 2.0

Got up this morning (after giving up last night) and started getting 2.0. After download, backups, verify, it's in the process of a verrrrry long restore of music and video...but, I'm almost there :)
 
Sorry to bug... But my iPod says that the sync is still in progress, however, nothing is happening in iTunes. The software says 2.0 now. No music or anything is on my iPod. What do I need to do?
 
Sorry, but that IS the point. If you feel as if you are being ripped off, then don't buy it. And if you of free will pay the price... don't whine about it!
I'm not saying its fair, but whining about how expensive it is, and then turning right around and buying it, does nothing to influence Apple to adjust their pricing in your country.

Consumerism, Supply & Demand, Market willingness to absorb cost.
Simple, simple, simple. You can't logically complain about the cost if you and your countrymen buy the products. If sales tanked in your country because you and others decided not to be ripped off by paying the prices, don't you think Apple wouldn't notice and figure out they needed adjust prices? But when you go a head and buy the products... and you can't tell me you NEED an iTouch, you WANT an iTouch, so you pay the price. Deal with it and stop whining about your choice to pay the inflated price in your country.

You're acting like a moron. He has every single right to complain about the price of the products whilst purchasing. I know I would if they were that price. He's a consumer, and one treated unfairly when put against other places on the globe. You need to take them :apple: shaped sunglasses off for a second and realise that he probably had no other option of purchasing the object he desired, so he payed the asking price. In no way does that constitute to the pricing being acceptable and void of complaint. The fact that Apple has priced the product at nearly double its country of origin is disgusting.

The consumer should never be mute. Do you think we would have had an iPhone 3G if there hadn't been so many complaints about how the original's data speeds were below par, when compared to other phones in it's class? Criticisms brings improvement. If I were the disgruntled customer of the original argument I wouldn't hesitate to contact Apple to complain of their unacceptable pricing policy in the said country.
 
Again, the "Accounting" reason for this charge is 100% grade A BS. There is absolutely no reason at all Apple has to charge for this update. They are only doing it because they know there is a small number of people out there who will pay to get it.

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Apple should offer two versions of the software. One with exchange support that you pay for and one without, because without Exchange support, they are doing absolutely nothing new.

You couldn't be more wrong if you tried. The accounting rule in question was brought in after the collapse of Enron because they stated revenue associated with certain initiatives in one quarter, and costs in a later quarter. Hence over-stating their profits. The SARBOX legislation came in as a direct result of this and companies have spent millions of dollars ensuring their compliance with it. Consulting firms have made a fortune out of helping people be compliant.

The side-effect of this is things like this. If the officially announced product did not include something, and then they want to add it, then according to SARBOX they have declared the profit in an earlier quarter and would have to declare a cost on their books in the quarter the update shipped. Do you seriously think Apple was just trying to charge us money with a $3 802.11n upgrade? Look at what that created in terms of rumor site bad press (and apple gets a lot of their free press from sites such as that so they do care.)

They likely made a loss on that initiative once they'd covered off the accounting side of it and making it available as a paid upgrade etc etc. A simple software update would have covered it.

As to why PSP upgrades are free. I don't know how they are recognized on Sony's books and frankly it might not matter since they are a Japanese company and not specifically subject to SARBOX (depending on how their corporate structure falls out.)

As for MSFT. X-box revenue is recognized over 2 years, which means they CAN give away free upgrades because they haven't recognized all the revenue. Note that accepted accounting convention around SARBOX allows the free upgrades to continue even past the two years. No idea why, but I think it's just deemed as having complied with the legislation.

Now, Apple recognizes iPhone revenue over 2 years, so iPhone users can get the upgrade for free. The iPod Touch is recognized IMMEDIATELY, in full. It is therefore subject to SARBOX.

Again, at $10 a pop, they aren't making money. They had to do EXTRA coding to make iTunes NOT just give you the upgrade for free. Build pages to sell it, figure out how to track if you've said "No" to the upgrade so as to not keep bothering you, adjust in channel inventory prices down by $10 so people can buy the upgrade and be "whole" once it's gone out etc etc etc. By the time they've done all of that it would be easier for them to just give it away for free. Your argument that they are just after money just makes no sense.

I like apple, but I am the first to admit when they screw up (mobileme was a farce, and the 3G launch was hardly a shining moment for them, compared to last year!) But in this case, they could have used the resources they put on making you pay for this upgrade in other areas which would have generated MORE revenue for apple. They don't think about specific isolated incidents of how to get $10 out of people. It's not worth it. That's not to say, when they are launching a new version of hardware, they don't stop and think and start taking out previously included items (Apple remote with computers used to be free, now isn't for example. This IS cheap in my opinion!) But the point is, they made that decision as part of the launch of a new product. They didn't just one day decide to stop including them on the same model, same revision, same everything, as a way of making a few more bucks. Large firms just don't think that way. It's counter-productive.

For sure, Apple wants to make lots of money, for sure they can get away with it because of their brand value, but they aren't doing it here just for fun. It's just not a good business decision. They're doing it because they have to.

When someone buys an iPod Touch, does it say, ANYWHERE, that you're entitled to free upgrades (other than bug fixes which restore functionality that you WERE supposed to have, if it isn't working properly)? No, it doesn't. For the iPhone, it's always been a major selling feature.

People just love to take an opportunity to knock apple for things like this. Truth be told, they probably think it's a great sign that they are doing the right thing. Because if THIS is what people are moaning about, then they're doing the really important parts of their job really well!
 
Got it, Finally

Got it! Wow that restore took forever (whole process about an hour). To throw in my 2 cents on the $9.95, hey I paid--my choice, I think it was worth it. I've spent a lot more over the years for software the ended up being pretty pathetic. I think this was reasonable. To each his own. Life's Good! :)
 
You're acting like a moron. He has every single right to complain about the price of the products whilst purchasing. I know I would if they were that price. He's a consumer, and one treated unfairly when put against other places on the globe. You need to take them :apple: shaped sunglasses off for a second and realise that he probably had no other option of purchasing the object he desired, so he payed the asking price. In no way does that constitute to the pricing being acceptable and void of complaint. The fact that Apple has priced the product at nearly double its country of origin is disgusting.

The consumer should never be mute. Do you think we would have had an iPhone 3G if there hadn't been so many complaints about how the original's data speeds were below par, when compared to other phones in it's class? Criticisms brings improvement. If I were the disgruntled customer of the original argument I wouldn't hesitate to contact Apple to complain of their unacceptable pricing policy in the said country.

You just made his point or him. Yes he had a right to complain about the price WHILE BUYING IT. But afterwards? Sorry, but even if you complain, you accept it. There is no monopoly here. There are tons of MP3 players out there. Thing is, the iPods are the best. And they charge for it.

Oh, and out of interest, what is sales tax in his country and is it included? Most people look at UK prices and US and complain, but when you REMOVE the 17.5% sales tax (which is 2.5x the US average sales tax) then adjust for exchange rates, it's actually a lot closer.

And honestly, like you said, he can post them feedback. But if it ends with "But I bought it anyway" then all he does is reconfirm that their sales price is appropriate for the market. If people don't like the price, the ONLY way to tell a company is to not buy it. They are driven off hard data, not emotive emails.

iPhone is a classic example. People did NOT buy it in a frenzy, and as a result several things happened.

1) It's price was cut by a third 2 months after launch (TWO MONTHS!)

2) They started letting UK and other nations operators discount the price even further after international sales didn't reach the heights they wanted.

3) They changed their approach and let operators subsidize the 3G iPhone.

This is a perfect example of what happens when the price is WRONG. In this case, it appears to be RIGHT in his country because people are still willing to pay it and indeed do.

Apple is a business, and profitable businesses do NOT say "What does it cost to make, lets add a reasonable mark up and sell it." Businesses that do that, go broke. Business that survive and prosper say "What is it WORTH in the target market, what can we sell it for? OK, by the time we've made it and gotten it there and provided the infrastructure to sell it, and hedged our exchange rate exposure etc. do we make enough money out of it?"

It's life. Apple consumers are the most passionate of almost any tech company. But if apple was beholden to their emotive desires, they would have gone bust a long time ago
 


minus the costs of building the stuff to "sell it" and minus the opportunity cost of what those resources COULD have been doing, I stand by the statement. I doubt they are making a profit on it. Certainly not a profit that by their standards would be deemed acceptable and worthwhile. The margin on that sale must be small. And given the absolute amount is so small, the profit from this is a rounding error on Apple's books. Why would they do that unless they had to?

Downside of being a wildly popular consumer technology firm? Passionate consumers that know nothing about running a business think they are entitled to free stuff that they were never promised, just because another product that has similar outside appearance, but that operates under a TOTALLY different accounting model.

Edit: That was a generic observation, not specifically levelled at you! :)
 
Good Afternoon guys / gals.

SIGH...........Well what can I say......What a mad 24/48 hrs its been for everyone lol. Atleast its 'sorted'..........for now. I will admit that I haven't scoured every reply in ths thread so if someone has already asked this question I apologise in advance. I'm gonna ask what might to some sound like daft question but here goes anyway. Apart from the obvious addition of Apps Store and the like. Is there anything else that we get for our Upgrade fee?

e.g
Was there any sort of update for the mail functions or the Safari App for instance ????

Any positive comments will be much appreciated...
Regards
 
Good Afternoon guys / gals.

SIGH...........Well what can I say......What a mad 24/48 hrs its been for everyone lol. Atleast its 'sorted'..........for now. I will admit that I haven't scoured every reply in ths thread so if someone has already asked this question I apologise in advance. I'm gonna ask what might to some sound like daft question but here goes anyway. Apart from the obvious addition of Apps Store and the like. Is there anything else that we get for our Upgrade fee?

e.g
Was there any sort of update for the mail functions or the Safari App for instance ????

Any positive comments will be much appreciated...
Regards

* Mail now supports bulk move and bulk delete (FINALLY!)

* If you are a mobileme (formerly .mac) customer, then mail from your .me/.mac account is now PUSH. Same goes for contacts, calendars and bookmarks. This will ALSO work if your desktop machine is windows rather than a mac (which is very new, but was totally obvious as the next step right from when they launched the iPhone!)

* You can now save photo attachments from mail to your photo library.

* Support for MSFT Exchange mail server, with push everything.

* I don't know of any specific functionality changes to Safari but I assume it includes security and bug fixes.

* The calculate now has scientific mode (just rotate to landscape.)

Those are the big items I can recall. Added up, they make it worthwhile in my opinion. BUT, I have an iPhone so I don't have to pay. Just to be open with you. If I did have a touch, I would pay for this upgrade though. There's a LOT more in it than there was in the last upgrade which was twice the cost.
 
* Mail now supports bulk move and bulk delete (FINALLY!)

* If you are a mobileme (formerly .mac) customer, then mail from your .me/.mac account is now PUSH. Same goes for contacts, calendars and bookmarks. This will ALSO work if your desktop machine is windows rather than a mac (which is very new, but was totally obvious as the next step right from when they launched the iPhone!)

* You can now save photo attachments from mail to your photo library.

* Support for MSFT Exchange mail server, with push everything.

* I don't know of any specific functionality changes to Safari but I assume it includes security and bug fixes.




I have already bought and installed the upgrade but just wasn't 100% sure what we got in the 'Whole' package........I'm not a happy bunny right now anyway. I bought my Touch 7 weeks ago. Firstly after purchase I found that I paid 'Full RRP' £235 for 16Gb model, Secondly it DIDN'T have 1.1.4 installed and Apple were not prepared to waiver the fee for me. Apple 1 - Consumer 0. Obviously I had to pay for 1.1.4 upgrade some 5-6 months after original launch date. And now the last 24-48 hrs has been the Cheery On The Cake if you ask me.........If you ask me it's a good job the iPod isn't Willy Gates little baby. Imagine the state we'd all be in if it was lol.
:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Sorry to bug... But my iPod says that the sync is still in progress, however, nothing is happening in iTunes. The software says 2.0 now. No music or anything is on my iPod. What do I need to do?
I had the same problem. Quit iTunes. If U R running :apple:, it should pop back up in the dashboard and say it is restoring. If you R using Windowz :(, try relaunching.
 
Again, at $10 a pop, they aren't making money. They had to do EXTRA coding to make iTunes NOT just give you the upgrade for free. Build pages to sell it, figure out how to track if you've said "No" to the upgrade so as to not keep bothering you, adjust in channel inventory prices down by $10 so people can buy the upgrade and be "whole" once it's gone out etc etc etc.

Yeah, hundreds of programmers were busy for months implementing these features.
 
* You can now save photo attachments from mail to your photo library.

You can also save images from the safari browser. Hold your finger down on top of an image you want to save, a little dialogue will pop up from the bottom asking if you want to add the image to your photo library. That, I think, is a great addition to this firmware.
 
I bought the january update, and now it's included in the much cheaper 2.0 update. I'm not supporting this kind of policy, and I'm not buying the 2.0 update. The 2.0 update doesn't bring any new useful features for me. Of course AppStore support would be great to have, but then again... Apple gets money when people buy apps from AppStore, so wouldn't it be better for them if all iPod Touch users would have possibility to buy and use those apps?
 
I updated my iPod Touch to the 2.0 for Free! :D I spent the $20 on the January Update, and I wasn't about to spend more. So I just downloaded the iPod 2.0 firmware from Apple's Site (which im not going to link to cause Apple will probably try to have this post removed then). Then I just held down Option + Shift and selected the firmware, it updated my iPod Touch to version 2.0, and I was able to download Apps and everything too it. Best of all, not only was it free, but I did this on Friday, the day Apple was "suppose" to release it, so I guess it got it earlier than most people. *insert evil laugh here*. Everything is working great!
 
my apps are not working on my ipod i touch one and then it goes back to the home screen...

Try deleting from iPod and then resyncing with iTunes. If that doesn't work, delete from both iTunes and iPod and redownload (redownloading of applications, unlike music, is free. Once you buy the app, it is yours to be redownloaded at a later time.. though I can see that changing in the future...)
 
I got nicely skewered on the last update - my Touch soon reverted back to its original software after a freeze and system reset.

Was hoping Apple changed their ways on this one. No.. still waiting for the server to free up my 222M download!

Will NOT consider an iPhone after this latest bad experience. Simply not good enough yet.
 
Just to make people aware, developer builds of the ipod & iphone have built in expiration dates. So if you are using a dev image at some point you are going to get the pink screen.
 
so I am about to update to 2.0, but before I do, I just to make sure about this. If my ipod touch has 24 gb worth of music/video/etc, then I need 24 gb of space on my hd to update to 2.0? Because I only have about 3 gb of free space left on my hd. So is it possible to get the backup to happen on my external HD?
 
Just to make people aware, developer builds of the ipod & iphone have built in expiration dates. So if you are using a dev image at some point you are going to get the pink screen.

its a good thing i didn't install the dev one then :)
 
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