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thequicksilver said:
Compare like for like. The $1999 US model is £1429, which translates to $2520.68. Seems ridiculous. Then consider that the US price is without sales tax, so let's remove our equivalent, the whopping 17.5% VAT.

Then we have £1216.17, or $2145.24. It's about $150 over the top, more than I'd like but it's been worse in the past.

If you want to blame anyone for the huge difference in price, blame Gordon Brown…

Er, wrong.

"In 1979, the UK had a Zero Rate, a Basic Rate of 12.5 per cent charged on "luxury" items and a reduced rate of 8 per cent charged on most other goods and services. When the Conservatives came to power that year, Chancellor Geoffrey Howe increased both of these to a single rate of 15 per cent, to partially offset the impact of large cuts to the Basic and Higher Rates of Income Tax. This was portrayed as a deliberate move aimed at shifting the burden of taxation from earnings to consumption.

VAT remained at 15 per cent until 1991, when Norman Lamont increased it to 17.5 per cent. This step was intended to provide revenue for the "Community Charge Reduction Scheme", aimed at assisting local authorities suffering from the fall-out of massive levels of defaulting on the "poll tax".

Get your facts right!

Now back to Mac Business...
 
Randall said:
MacBook Pro
15.4 inches (diagonal) 1440 by 900 digital display.

PowerBook G4 15"
15.2 inches (diagonal) 1440 by 960 digital display.

Sorry. I wonder why the 60 pixels are gone?

I hope it means that they figured out a way to get rid of the notorious "horizontal lines" problem.
 
I know the extra space over the screen is necessary for the built-in isight camera, but the first time I saw the new macbook pro, the first thing I thought was how it looked like any dell laptop.

I suppose they had a tradeoff between form and function, but I think that part of the laptop looks ugly.

I also agree about the name: ick.
 
Lacero said:
First thing a hacker is going to do is try installing Windows XP on the MBP. We'll see the extent of Apple's TPM protection mechanism. Any chance they only released this one model to gauge how effect their hardware locks are?

Here's to the Crazy Ones

well you know the hackers are drooling and waiting to get their nasty grubs on the MBP so they can be the 1.....

Bless
 
Progress good... but just a stopgap

Just my 2 cents....

Good to see fast, solid progress. But the MacBook as it stands is clearly just a filler. More a marketing move than anything.

Let's see what happens when Intel's Merom line is available - that's when I think it'll get really interesting.

And one small point: While it's the top of the Apple line, it's using the two lowest clock speed variants of the chip. So, erm, it's not top of every line.

Heat, I'll wager.

Is that a burning smell I can get drifting from the labs?
 
Extra $100 bucks off the new MacBook Pro

I placed an order for a CTO MacBook maxed out and then I realized the dvd and the FW800 was something I needed. I called apple to cancel the order and the guy was like "We appreciate your order and we would like you to keep it, I can give you an extra 100 dollars off your order if you decide to keep it." Just thought I would let you guys know incase you wanted to try to get a better deal.

--Shivam
 
jcrewleif said:
Will the new imac and macbookpro be able to run Windows xp?
I hope so. Would keep me from having to upgrade my old Pentium 150Mhz. I could see this beneficial for my web design work, so I can test browser compatibility with my web sites. Dual boot or windowed mode would just be awesome!

Here's to the Crazy Ones
 
FW is far from dead, many devices still use FW such as MiniDV, plus its faster than USB 2.

FW is great for daisy chaining hard discs, as you've heard before.

USB is better for some devices, such as input devices, and FW is good for other devices.

Did you not see the article last week saying FW market should explode this year?

Music_Producer said:
Firewire will be dead.. it sucks for the real pro users.. firewire drives run at what? 7200 rpm? Thats utter crap! We need atleast 10,000 rpm or 15,000 rpm drives. I was amazed that instead of a PC card, they included a Express /34 card.. fantastic! That's preparing for the future.. I'll be the first one to buy a Express /34 SCSI adapter so I can use my scsi drives with the macbook.
 
Lacero said:
First thing a hacker is going to do is try installing Windows XP on the MBP. We'll see the extent of Apple's TPM protection mechanism. Any chance they only released this one model to gauge how effect their hardware locks are?
Apple has already said they won't take measures to prevent people from installing Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac. The h/w protection is there to prevent people from install Mac OS X on a PC laptop from another manufacturer.
 
Diatribe said:
That basically shows that Apple is waaay overpriced.

Sad that we still have to pay Apple's premium. I thought (like almost everyone) that the switch over to Intel would bring slightly lower prices.
 
BRLawyer said:
I can only agree with EVERYTHING you said above...how many ****ING RETARDS we have here? Drop this forum, whiners!

Modem - how many of you still use it? how many hotels still use it? BUZZ OFF!

FW800 - the market adoption is close to ZERO, and FW400 is still THERE! Besides, as many people already said, the best solution for FW is DAISY-CHAIN!

Lower Resolution - YOU LOST 300 PIXELS AND GOT A LOT MORE BRIGHTNESS, DAMNED! WHAT IS THE PROBLEM? YOU ALWAYS COMPLAINED ABOUT "XBrite", so what now?

DL RW - DL discs ARE expensive and hard to find...NO NEED FOR THAT right now!

ALL OTHER PERKS are there with a good price, and there is NOTHING to complain about, NOTABLY speed and battery, thinner design, backlit keyboard, sudden motion sensor and everything ELSE! GET REAL!

And concerning the Acer "dude", go get it roger! Acer sucks for laptops, and it also includes Windows XP for ya! Apple is, above all, ABOUT SOFTWARE!

SJ, congrats for another GREAT keynote! GO APPLE!

easy greenhorn.

i agree with a few things you said, but as a prosumer i have to disagree with a good portion of it.

first off, losing 300 pixels? that's a semi-big deal since i need screen space to work with Photoshop and Illustrator.

secondly, this laptop is basically a preview of what's to come. right now, they're trying to fill the big mistake from trusting Motorola with the G4 by getting rid of the Powerbook G4's lousy bus speed 167 Mhz vs. 667 Mhz, you do the math.

thirdly, this brings Apple on the same level as all other PC manufacturers. Intel isn't going to do us any favors. we're not going to get exclusive stuff, we're just a customer to Intel; they're definitely not IBM or Freescale (Motorola). plus with licensing all our technology to MS, Apple can only fight software with software, the hardware innovation game is over. we're all playing in the same field now, except for PowerPC owners.

the great thing about Mac OS X coming to x86 is the choice factor. Apple may be touting that it will only work with Intel, but they're completely wrong. Intel gets many of their innovations from AMD, it is the same thing. so, if our friend wants to buy an Acer, go ahead, but you can buy a copy of Mac OS X and put it on your new PC.

by far, the G5s are better buys currently, the remaining G4s, well it's up to you.
 
Lacero said:
I hope so. Would keep me from having to upgrade my old Pentium 150Mhz. I could see this beneficial for my web design work, so I can test browser compatibility with my web sites. Dual boot or windowed mode would just be awesome!QUOTE]

Yes, dual boot would indeed be nice - I use my PC for such limited things nowadays it would really be nice to just get rid of it and have one machine. I'd primarily run OS X on it of course, but for those few times I need a PC dual boot would come in soooo handy. :cool:
 
I think the MacBook is a transition model. Probably 15" is the most popular, perhaps the 15" PB has the lowest number in stock. Don't think that FW800 is a big deal. Don't like the 1440x900 screen resolution--would have liked something by 1080 so you could see true HD. Which brings up the DVD--perhaps Apple is getting rid of its stock of DVD SL drives and preparing for all machines after X date having Blu-Ray RW--why waste money on DL drives when BR will be compatible with everything. (although not sure about CDs)

Power connector looks good--just had to replace my TiBook power supply because the connection wire gave out. Happy that it has FW400. Not sure about battery life--if it's long enough to watch a movie on an airplane (2 or 2.5 hours) that's decent for now. Guess I'm not doing things where I'm not around power for much longer than that. And if it's really 4x as fast for most things I think it's a pretty nice machine! (even for a transition machine)
 
Unregistered. said:
This is NOT the fastest notebook ever, and I am amazed that everybody is quoting that sales pitch as if it were gospel. It would take about a 30-second Google search to find faster laptops from VoodooPC or Alienware or Falcon Northwest or HP, not to mention the other Yonah laptops that other companies have already released at higher clockspeeds than the new "Macbook"! The Macbook seems to max out at 1.83GHz (looking on Apple's website), while the ThinkPad T60 goes to 2.13GHz, and various Asus models go to 2GHz DualCore Yonah.

HOW can everybody be this gullible? I admit that Apple makes great gear - I have a PowerBook, an iPod Nano, and a Mac Mini and love them - but this is an outright LIE. Stop quoting it without thinking. You're doing yourselves a disservice by being gullible and unwise shoppers. It's the fastest Mac Laptop ever, but Jobs should believe in his product enough not to have to lie to sell it. They will sell themselves.

Ten Seconds it took:
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2702
http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=2711

And I'm not even going to try to explain Rosetta's speed hit to you people, since 90% of you don't want to hear it anyway.

I can't believe that I'm the voice of frickin' reason around here.

oh yes, you are absolutely right. i totally agree.

as i said, Apple is out of the hardware business.

VoodooPC and Alienware are Intel's top customers for high powered chips too, so if you want anything in their range when Apple gets ahold it be prepared to break the bank. our fairly priced hardware and software bundle days are over.
 
Get over it...

sw1tcher said:
Sad that we still have to pay Apple's premium. I thought (like almost everyone) that the switch over to Intel would bring slightly lower prices.

Apple still has to pay for OS X development, along with the other free applications. That costs money.

Apple is not just like any other HW vendor in that they have a huge amount of in-house software development. They don't have the quantity that MSFT does to get the software overhead cost down as low as MSFT can with Windows.

- Kelson
 
iSee said:
Wow! Well, if you can afford to buy that many songs, you can probably afford an ExpressCard FW800 port for your Macbook. Let's see, at 4MB per song, that around $75,000 in music!

And with 300GB of music to carry around, you're going to need one of those 8 lb. iPods ;)

But s/he didn't say what bit rate they're at. You're assuming they're at 128kbps or so. Maybe s/he's a DJ and all the songs are encoded using Apples lossless format which means songs are at least 30MBs each, putting that at about 100 songs.
 
Whats up with the horrible Euro conversion rate of this thing? Even with taxes applied to the U.S. price, is 2.599 EU, uhm what... 2.099... oh, wait they just changed the German Apple Site. OK, I can live with 2.099 EU! :D
 
Will Cheyney said:
Notice how the new laptop is called a 'MacBook' instead of a PowerBook? Could the be some 'pro' versions in the pipeline?

It's called a "MacBook pro" - it IS the pro version. The question is - what will the iBook-replacement "MacBook" be like? Perhaps it will be a "MacBook mini"?
 
weldon said:
Apple has already said they won't take measures to prevent people from installing Windows XP on an Intel-based Mac. The h/w protection is there to prevent people from install Mac OS X on a PC laptop from another manufacturer.
Like that will stop them... :rolleyes:
 
nxent said:
this is exactly why you wait until rev 2. i've got another year on my powerbook G4 so that's when i'm shooting for. hopefully they'll really have something that raises hell(not that this doesn't) by then. now that i think of it, it's possible apple 'left' features off the intel probook for the sole purpose of maintaining the sellability of the powerbooks (fw800, dual layer dvd burner, etc). which kinda makes sense...

You might have a point but they'll lose sales this way too, as I for one, will be waiting.
 
Unregistered. said:
This is NOT the fastest notebook ever, and I am amazed that everybody is quoting that sales pitch as if it were gospel. It would take about a 30-second Google search to find faster laptops from VoodooPC or Alienware or Falcon Northwest or HP, not to mention the other Yonah laptops that other companies have already released at higher clockspeeds than the new "Macbook"!
The quote (according to MacInTouch) was actually "the fastest Mac notebook ever". Feel silly now?

Unregistered. said:
I can't believe that I'm the voice of frickin' reason around here.
:rolleyes:
 
kenstee said:
So, I'm not even tempted with this one. But, I sure am looking forward to MWSF 2007. I think they'll really have their act together by then. Personally, what will come down the road will be very different that what we saw today.

To true, I thought overall the keynote was somewhat lack luster. I would have really liked to see an 80Gb 5G Ipod. (Toshiba as the drives out now!) A stand alone version of Front Row. As well as a Mac Mini PVR. Griffin Technology already has the iFM FM radio transmitter and it comes in black too. I was suprised no Intel roadmap (what models were getting updates and processors used) or OS 10.5 "Leopard" preview. Hopefully Apple still has many many rabbits to pull out of its collective hat in 2006.

My 5 bucks.
 
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