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BRLawyer said:
I have traveled a fairly lot around Europe, and no hotels have dialup access, I am sure...in fact I am Brazilian, and even there dialup is being quickly superseded by DSL and others...and if I ever need it, I don't think the weight of a cheapo white modem will bother me, honestly...

And in hotels that have only dialup access, the dialup will go directly on your phone bill, at the rate that the hotel charges, and when you get the bill, after you recovered, you'll _wish_ you hadn't had a modem on your laptop!
 
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jbouklas said:
I fail to see your point. How about this: the G4 Powerbook was 1" thick and had a DL drive, 13mm says you. This new MacBook is 1" and can't accomodate a 13mm drive. Not our problem. Apple spends billions in R&D so that it can figure these things out and deliver to us good products. If this was a priority, they could have done it.



-Jim

the 15" Powerbook G4 was 1.1" thick not 1", so while it is just a little difference, the thinner the better I think. I'm not happy they dropped DL, they also said that 3rd party burners are now fully compatabile. So I don't think it's that big of a deal, I don't burn DL dvds on a daily basis.
 
jbouklas said:
Oh, since you mentioned the lack of S-Video outs again, I now see everybody's point. The new MacBook is an inferior machine because it lacks it. I guess it just didn't sink in the for the first 30 pages of this thread. Thanks for that,

-Jim

Signing off, as I'm getting annoyed for seemingly no reason.
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I hardly said that the MacBook is an inferior product.

Sorry if:

1. I didn't read through 30 plus pages of posts.
2. I happen to need S Video out. One of the reasons I want a laptop is to show my photos on a TV.
 
Randall said:
Yeah 7200 is sometimes noticibly faster, other times not so much. Remember that 5400 takes up less power, gives off less heat, and is most likely quieter then a 7200 counterpart. Those tradeoffs might be worth it for me. It's a tough call, but I guess I would prefer a 7200 because I feel that performance is everything.

Unless you maxed out the memory, you will get more performance if you buy another GB of memory at crucial, instead of paying for the faster harddisk, both at about the same cost.
 
Edwin the Elder said:
Sorry if this has been asked already.

Anyone know if Apple plans to discount the existing PowerBooks?

While the MacBook Pros look really interesting for power users, I suspect I'd be paying for a lot of power I really don't need. The price seems to reflect this.

The exisitng PowerBooks would likely be all I need for now, and unlike the MacBook Pro, they have S Video outs.

Alternatively I could wait for the iBook replacement.
I'd wait (not more than 2 months I suspect) for Core Solo to be out--and then I think a new cheaper MacBook or MacBook Express (wince) will "replace" the iBook.

(Also, I think we'll be told soon how the MacBook supports S-Video with a new DVI dongle.)

Re pricing, I DO expect G4 prices to drop, and would have thought they'd drop now, but maybe Apple's waiting until a) they analyze G4 demand again or b) they have a more full line of MacBooks.
 
Why all the weeping and gnashing of teeth? Sure, there is a minor downgrade of the SuperDrive because the DL drive was a bit too big for the small form factor, but this is the first thin, lightweight notebook I've seen with the power of a desktop (although the Sony VAIO FE, when it is announced, should have similar specs, but its price has not been announced). The specs are almost identical to the new iMac, and the processing power rivals the Power Macs. When's the last time you could say that about Apple's notebooks?

I don't think the temporary change to 32 bit will have much significance now, because there aren't any apps or SODIMMs that can take advantage of 64 bit Intel processing on a notebook now, anyway. When Intel's 64 bit mobility chips come out, I'm sure they will find their way into the Mac notebooks and iMacs.
 
**Caution iBook Whiner approaching***

:mad: :( :confused: <---( pouting) I just want to know when the ibooks are being released. in all seriousness can someone tell me when they might come out. I need one, I was foolish and sold my G4 15" PB too early and need one for school. Think secret says that they maybe announced as early as next month but their crystal ball has been very clouded lately. I also heard WWDC, but when is WWDC? thanks for those who listend now im gonna go cry as i am forced to use this crappy windows machine for anothe few months.

gnasher729 said:
Unless you maxed out the memory, you will get more performance if you buy another GB of memory at crucial, instead of paying for the faster harddisk, both at about the same cost.
 
chemtw said:
:mad: :( :confused: <---( pouting) I just want to know when the ibooks are being released. in all seriousness can someone tell me when they might come out. I need one, I was foolish and sold my G4 15" PB too early and need one for school. Think secret says that they maybe announced as early as next month but their crystal ball has been very clouded lately. I also heard WWDC, but when is WWDC? thanks for those who listend now im gonna go cry as i am forced to use this crappy windows machine for anothe few months.
Sorry, this is the "ProBook" thread... move along little ibook user...

j/k... expect an ibook replacement probably March at the earliest, my guess is: summer or end of summer (shipping just in time for school)
 
darwin022 said:
Sorry, this is the "ProBook" thread... move along little ibook user...

j/k... expect an ibook replacement probably March at the earliest, my guess is: summer or end of summer (shipping just in time for school)
Really, I expected it much earlier.. but I guess there main focus was probably the macbook just to get it on the market, your probably right it wont be out for a while... unfortunatly :( Im waiting on it I think.

How do you think the macbook will affect the price of the used PB's ? or will it at all?
 
I got close to what I paid for mine new so I think it might be a while before we see an affect

MacMosher said:
Really, I expected it much earlier.. but I guess there main focus was probably the macbook just to get it on the market, your probably right it wont be out for a while... unfortunatly :( Im waiting on it I think.

How do you think the macbook will affect the price of the used PB's ? or will it at all?
 
chemtw said:
:mad: :( :confused: <---( pouting) I just want to know when the ibooks are being released. in all seriousness can someone tell me when they might come out.

I believe they'll come out (although not called iBooks) when Intel Makes their Core Solo chip available. Which should mean within a couple months, as I understand it.

Since Core Solo was always expected to arrive later than Core Duo, I've never understood the rumor mill's insistence (at times) that iBooks would come first. It always made more sense that the PowerBook would go first.

We don't know for a fact that Apple intends to use Core Solo, but it's pretty logical.
 
jbouklas said:
To go back to an earlier comment, I would like somebody to please explain to me the great benefits of FireWire 800. It would seem to me that the biggest bottleneck when it comes to external drives is the speed of the ATA (SATA or PATA, take your pick) bus, not the firewire bus. FireWire 400 has a cap of, you guessed it, 400, while even SATA tops out at 150 (we're not talking SATA2). Is there really a significant, or even minor, difference in using FireWire 800, or is any performance increase seen due to a more efficient bridge that what is used in the previous generation 400s?

You do realize that firewire is 400Mbps and SATA is 150MBps? In other words, firewire is 50MBps v.s SATAs 150MBps. Or to put it another way, firewire is 400Mbps vs. 1,200Mbps for SATA.

Having said all of that, even at 50MBps for firewire 400 the bus is very close to the speed of a good many single-drive SATA configurations.

Personally, I think they should have done FW800 so that people using firewire RAID setups could get the most throughput. But, I think Apple's thinking is that FW400 is vastly more popular and you always have eSATA as an option via the Expresscard slot sometime in the future if you need higher throughput.
 
nagromme said:
I believe they'll come out (although not called iBooks) when Intel Makes their Core Solo chip available. Which should mean within a couple months, as I understand it.

Since Core Solo was always expected to arrive later than Core Duo, I've never understood the rumor mill's insistence (at times) that iBooks would come first. It always made more sense that the PowerBook would go first.

We don't know for a fact that Apple intends to use Core Solo, but it's pretty logical.
Thats what I have understud as well. And yes it would be logical for the macbook pro to come first... which it obviously did ahah.

Any speculation on what to expect on them at all?(new ibooks)
 
Geeze, a lot of unhappy folks

S-video is available with the right adapter, I checked, so drop it already.
64 bit is so, not happening yet, already. You still have a year or two to save money for the next one, so ride this wave and enjoy the awesome new power and screen brightness. I`m typing this on my 12" 1.5ghz pb, and I gotta tell you, I`m a little sick of pressing the light button, only to have it say it`s already at full brightness.:(

It seems that those of us who think these new `books are kick ass are in the minority. Well quit your yappin` folks or go buy a Dell. AMD is over there so make your choices.:p

Woulda coulda shoulda means nuttin`
 
digitalbiker said:
Come on, Do you ever leave LA?

The rest of the US is hit and miss with Broadband. Most of the US does not have WiFi.

Major cities have wifi yes. But most of the US is rural and most of the US lacks broadband and/or wifi.

Not all McDonlads, Not all starbucks. Only those that are in big cities. PB's are for traveling, connecting on the road. There are phone lines nearly everywhere but wifi and/or broadband, Give Me a Break!

I live in a cowtown suburb, and on my way to work, running Network Stumbler on my thinkpad (sitting on the passanger seat, no external antenna, well sheilded by BMW sheetmetal) it logs probably 100 or more wireless networks, about half of which are not protected. I have stopped, for the hell of it, and accessed the internet pretty much anywhere.

No reason to buy Verizons wifi pcmcia card thingy. I've even stayed in a few motel 6's (with no wifi) but have had internet access due to in-range non-protected wifi networks.
 
Grokgod said:
I actually read this entire thread~ Whew

Jobs changed the name because he wanted MAC in the name.

I can understand why, its called Branding.
I think that the Powermac will remain Powermacs cause it has MAC in it.

This is a great update cause ... its much faster.
Pure and simple the need for speed for a MBP is crucial.

So its all good except for figuring out if this beast will run HOT or not?
Will it blast with all fans on?

I am surprised that posts from people on other websites, that have seen the MBP give so little attention to these issues.

I want to know if the fans were on and if the top of the damn alutray was hot as all the previous units.

TIA


All Laptops run hot, bro. From my thinkpad 380D 150 MMX P1, Toshiba 1.5 Celeron M, 366 Mhz PII Thinkpad 600E, Thinkpad R40 2GHz Celeron M, Powerbook 12" 1.5 Ghz, 17" Powerbook 1.67 Ghz. All get blazing hot on the bottom, from the slowest to the fastest. Intel or PowerPC.
 
SiliconAddict said:
Now if only we could upgrade later to a dual layer burner people's bitching might subside. :cool:

Umm, not really when it should be included in the first place. You shouldn't have to pay to upgrade; the system is a downgrade from the previous system!

Also, I hate having to use a card to add functionality to a computer that should be there. Not to mention having to have that card with me for a new computer just to use something that is currently on a laptop I own.
 
zync said:
Umm, not really when it should be included in the first place. You shouldn't have to pay to upgrade; the system is a downgrade from the previous system!

Also, I hate having to use a card to add functionality to a computer that should be there. Not to mention having to have that card with me for a new computer just to use something that is currently on a laptop I own.

That's Right!
These features should be included with the MacBook Pro, we shouldn't need to buy them for what we pay for...
 
zync said:
Umm, not really when it should be included in the first place. You shouldn't have to pay to upgrade; the system is a downgrade from the previous system!

Also, I hate having to use a card to add functionality to a computer that should be there. Not to mention having to have that card with me for a new computer just to use something that is currently on a laptop I own.

Wow i cant believe all the whining about dl burner. Im willing to bet most of you people have never touched a dual layer media.

The system is faster, lighter, you get an iSight, you lose a modem and something for a technology that will never take off (dl media) What a tragedy.
 
ailleur said:
Wow i cant believe all the whining about dl burner. Im willing to bet most of you people have never touched a dual layer media.

The system is faster, lighter, you get an iSight, you lose a modem and something for a technology that will never take off (dl media) What a tragedy.

that bet is going out on a limb--because you didn't exclude blank media ;)--considering many commercial dvds are dual layer. for the end user it is almost transparent so it's easy to think all commercial dvds are of the same ilk.


but zync was talking about firewire, i believe
 
I would rank the ability to make the drive multi region much higher than the ability to burn DL discs. The last Powerbooks can't use the VLC workaround and this damages functionality a lot more than not being able to burn DL in my mind.

Has anyone worked out what model burner's in the Macbook?
 
gnasher729 said:
And in hotels that have only dialup access, the dialup will go directly on your phone bill, at the rate that the hotel charges, and when you get the bill, after you recovered, you'll _wish_ you hadn't had a modem on your laptop!

I personally think an internal modem is actually a feature plus, especially since most dial-up connections made to local numbers are no charge. ;) broadband isn't ubiquitus yet. The majority of home internet connections are still dialup.(I'm looking for more current stats) Also DSL and Cable can be unreliable at times and isn't offered as a service everywhere. It is always nice to have an internal backup method when it comes to communication... more options, more control, more power. :eek:

Unrelated Side Note: I find it hillarious people were ragging on the powerbook as sucking and loathing anything associated with it... some have gone as far to say PowerBook = Crap. Now there's a completely new MacBook Pro high performance machine and they want to keep calling it a PowerBook. :eek: If the intel switch can be accepted, why not the name change? (rhetorical question) With the march of time, there is no need to look back. Especially when it come to something that apparently is so "useless:. :rolleyes:
 
zync said:
Umm, not really when it should be included in the first place. You shouldn't have to pay to upgrade; the system is a downgrade from the previous system!

Also, I hate having to use a card to add functionality to a computer that should be there. Not to mention having to have that card with me for a new computer just to use something that is currently on a laptop I own.

Very nicely said, I totally agree with you. :cool:
 
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