DavoMrMac said:
Meh, who really needs dual layer burners and their pricey media other than to illegally burn movies?
Got a tip for us?
Let us know
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.
Apple Releases the MacBook Pro
- Thread starter MacRumors
- Start date
- Sort by reaction score
- Status
Meh, who really needs dual layer burners and their pricey media other than to illegally burn movies?
Reality Check!
Great blog piece from Unsanity about the new MacBook Pro (Lost in Transition: Overcane of Antflower Milk) . Rosyna takes Apple to task over some of the glaring omissions in the PowerBook successor that seem to have been glossed over in the halo-effect of Macworld.
http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000445.php
Bottom line, many posters on this forum are not dreaming or being overly negative about the new MacBook. Apple rushed this one out a bit too fast and it shows.
Great blog piece from Unsanity about the new MacBook Pro (Lost in Transition: Overcane of Antflower Milk) . Rosyna takes Apple to task over some of the glaring omissions in the PowerBook successor that seem to have been glossed over in the halo-effect of Macworld.
http://www.unsanity.org/archives/000445.php
Bottom line, many posters on this forum are not dreaming or being overly negative about the new MacBook. Apple rushed this one out a bit too fast and it shows.
My guess would be around WWDC time as well. That is because the new iBook (MacBook sans "Pro"?) will be getting the Intel Core Solo chips, which are due out this spring.chemtw said:
MacMosher said:Really, I expected it much earlier.. but I guess there main focus was probably the macbook just to get it on the market, your probably right it wont be out for a while... unfortunatly
How do you think the macbook will affect the price of the used PB's ? or will it at all?
I was trying to tell everyone on these boards until I was blue in the face, that the PowerBooks would be the first to get the switch. This is because
1) The PowerBook needed an updated processor in it BADLY.
2) The Core Duo is bleeding edge technology, and designed specifically for high-end laptops and portables.
3) Bleeding edge always is $$$$. There is no way that they could get this technology this early on into an iBook type market and expect to pay iBook prices.
People on these boards refuted logic with the "Pros are expecting their PPC intensive applications to run well, so Rosetta is unacceptable to them... etc. etc." While there is some truth to that, it is largely countered with the HUGE performance increase brought to you by Core Duo. Intel has also been able to shake it's Pentium 4 deamons with this realease, which is important for the company's image.
Not to say "Told you so" about the PowerBooks, but there it is. There are others on the boards that knew what was up. SiliconAddict and Peace are just some of the guys that had an idea of this. We're the PowerBook "whiners" and we're no longer whining! Don't worry, the intel iBook will come soon enough.
P.S. I think that used Powerbooks will plummet in value thanks to the MacBook, but Apple will still overcharge for the G4 PowerBooks. That's just to be expected.
~Shard~ said:Meh, who really needs dual layer burners and their pricey media other than to illegally burn movies?
I'm with ya. A few months ago I looked at upgrading or adding a DL burner to my powermac but the price of the media is way out there.
BTW - it would be handy for bigger single disc backups - not just your other reason
But I ditched the idea due to the cost of the media and the fact that SL discs for backups don't cause me enough pain.
One thing i hope the MacBook improves is WiFi signal strength. My current Powerbook compared to my friends Dell machine side by side picks up about 1/3 of what the Dell picks up. I mean there were times he would pick up about 12 wireless signals and i'd only get 1 or 2.
That's my biggest gripe about my PowerBook. Other than that, I don't really need a Core Duo to surf the net. I already have a workstation to do actual Pro work on, and the PowerBook comes through when i need to work on something on the road.
For all those that ordered the MacBook, thank you for being one of the first. Thank you for helping them make it better. Thanks for being a tester. Without you, who?
Enjoy your new toy! I'm sure it will be solid (with a few kinks here and there)
That's my biggest gripe about my PowerBook. Other than that, I don't really need a Core Duo to surf the net. I already have a workstation to do actual Pro work on, and the PowerBook comes through when i need to work on something on the road.
For all those that ordered the MacBook, thank you for being one of the first. Thank you for helping them make it better. Thanks for being a tester. Without you, who?
Enjoy your new toy! I'm sure it will be solid (with a few kinks here and there)
Yes, but what a about the HD...?
Hello to all,
Been reading here since last fall but this is my first post.
Although, I havent read the whole 41 pageseek: ) of this thread,
I believe nobody mentioned anything about this interesting tidbit:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the MacBook Pro (How' bout ProBook...doesnt sound better?) is the first ever mac notebook to sport this:
SERIAL ata hard disk drive. According to my research it is alot faster then P(arallel) ata drives:
http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/l/aaSerialATA.htm
''This allows for serial transmission methods to run at much higher speeds than the equivalent parallel methods. In the case of the first Serial ATA standard, the clock runs at 1500 MHz compared to a clock rate of 50 MHz of the ATA/100 standard.''
That coupled with 100 meg/7200 rpm spindle speed on BTO models makes for an awesome machine that both audio and video pros can use without having to go external, somewhat reducing the pain of having the firewire 800 gone the way of the zip drives...
Hello to all,
Been reading here since last fall but this is my first post.
Although, I havent read the whole 41 pages
eek: ) of this thread,I believe nobody mentioned anything about this interesting tidbit:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the MacBook Pro (How' bout ProBook...doesnt sound better?) is the first ever mac notebook to sport this:
SERIAL ata hard disk drive. According to my research it is alot faster then P(arallel) ata drives:
http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/l/aaSerialATA.htm
''This allows for serial transmission methods to run at much higher speeds than the equivalent parallel methods. In the case of the first Serial ATA standard, the clock runs at 1500 MHz compared to a clock rate of 50 MHz of the ATA/100 standard.''
That coupled with 100 meg/7200 rpm spindle speed on BTO models makes for an awesome machine that both audio and video pros can use without having to go external, somewhat reducing the pain of having the firewire 800 gone the way of the zip drives...
That's true that Apple has always been slightly behind in the hardware department, but I think that their attention to every detail and quality form factor helps them out a lot in this aspect. I think it's fantastic that Apple has PCIe, SATA Hard Drives, ATi Mobility Radeon X1600, and most importantly the Core Duo! These new laptops are going to be outstanding!BRLawyer said:
Agreed, but the form factor and design has been just as important to many. And we'll see just how long OS X can hold off on viruses and malware. The double edged sword of gaining back market share is that you're also getting the attention of annoying/illegal malware marketing etc. UNIX based OSes are inharently safe to such things, but there are ways to make viruses for it. There are roughly (9?) Linux viruses in existance, and we may see one for OS X sometime down the road...BRLawyer said:
Yup.BRLawyer said:
Software stability and user friendliness and form factor are the only things seperating the Core Duo Acers from the MacBook Pro. It's worth it for some, other's it's not. Let's move along.BRLawyer said:
Your statement is the only thing that sounds like heresy to me. Cleaver renaming of Windows and PCs to "cute" pet names like Winblows, PeeCees etc. is idiotic. There is nothing wrong with Acer, they make perfectly good laptops.BRLawyer said:
Expect the price of DL DVDs to bottom out by the end of this year, when Blu-ray Discs and HD-DVD make their way to the recordable optical media circuit. They are already giving away CD-Rs, and single layer DVDs are very cheap as well. If anything, I expect the next Rev of MacBook Pros to have DL DVD burners, and at least a BD-ROM so that you can read Blu-ray discs.devman said:I'm with ya. A few months ago I looked at upgrading or adding a DL burner to my powermac but the price of the media is way out there.
BTW - it would be handy for bigger single disc backups - not just your other reason
Yes. Yes it does. Apple's Pro notebook line has finally cought up and pulled ahead fellow PC notebooks in all hardware categories. You gotta love it.lozion said:Hello to all,
Been reading here since last fall but this is my first post.
Although, I havent read the whole 41 pages
I believe nobody mentioned anything about this interesting tidbit:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the MacBook Pro (How' bout ProBook...doesnt sound better?) is the first ever mac notebook to sport this:
SERIAL ata hard disk drive. According to my research it is alot faster then P(arallel) ata drives:
http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/l/aaSerialATA.htm
''This allows for serial transmission methods to run at much higher speeds than the equivalent parallel methods. In the case of the first Serial ATA standard, the clock runs at 1500 MHz compared to a clock rate of 50 MHz of the ATA/100 standard.''
That coupled with 100 meg/7200 rpm spindle speed on BTO models makes for an awesome machine that both audio and video pros can use without having to go external, somewhat reducing the pain of having the firewire 800 gone the way of the zip drives...
P.S. SATA Hard Drives have been available for a long time, just not on the Mac laptops until now. They used to use the crappy IDE Hard Drives, or PATA if you prefer.
Randall said:
Actually my department has two Acers and one has a random shut down mode feature and the other's case is shoddy and lines up pretty badly so the lid closes and it warps the entire body. Acer quality is bad, and worse like the guy said, it runs Windoze and it's a craptacular peecee. Don't like cutesy names? Deal with in Ranball!
lozion said:Hello to all,
Been reading here since last fall but this is my first post.
Although, I havent read the whole 41 pages
I believe nobody mentioned anything about this interesting tidbit:
Correct me if I'm wrong but the MacBook Pro (How' bout ProBook...doesnt sound better?) is the first ever mac notebook to sport this:
SERIAL ata hard disk drive. According to my research it is alot faster then P(arallel) ata drives:
http://compreviews.about.com/od/storage/l/aaSerialATA.htm
''This allows for serial transmission methods to run at much higher speeds than the equivalent parallel methods. In the case of the first Serial ATA standard, the clock runs at 1500 MHz compared to a clock rate of 50 MHz of the ATA/100 standard.''
That coupled with 100 meg/7200 rpm spindle speed on BTO models makes for an awesome machine that both audio and video pros can use without having to go external, somewhat reducing the pain of having the firewire 800 gone the way of the zip drives...
Hi lozion, great first post! That's a nice tidbit about SATA. Also I read a quote somewhere (sorry don't remember where - on of the hundreds of articles I skimmed through in netnewswire) that the expresscard slot in the Macbook Pro has enough grunt to run two FW800 ports off it.
The main problem with this new MacBook Pro is that Apple removed features compared to the latest PowerBook G4. Afterall this is a Pro machine, for users who use it to the full lenght.
* Replaced 8x DL SuperDrive with a 4x SL SuperDrive.
* Removed Firewire 800.
* Lower screen resolution.
* Removed S-video out
* Removed modem
* Undocumented power usage and battery time.
Sure hope the next revision make up for all this!
* Replaced 8x DL SuperDrive with a 4x SL SuperDrive.
* Removed Firewire 800.
* Lower screen resolution.
* Removed S-video out
* Removed modem
* Undocumented power usage and battery time.
Sure hope the next revision make up for all this!
grahamtriggs said:
Quality of hardware aside (which I personally think is not debatable in the case of Apple), I do not feel uncomfortable in paying a premium for running Mac Os X and the Apple software.
OTOH I will upgrade to Intel when I feel the need to. Not right now.
I'm with the guy above. The fact Apple didn't use the faster chips like Acer, unless Acer gave Intel gobs of dough/exclusive deal, proves again how dumb and cheap Apple is. Cheap mofos interested in maximum profits. Apple is putting in the 1.83 and slower Yonah chips because they can buy lots of them wayyy cheaper than the 2.13/2.0, possibly hundreds cheaper, and basically screw the Apple adopters of the Macbooks. Typical Apple behavior here... and STUPID at that. That worked well with the PPC processors, well, sorta well, during the clone years (90s) they were constantly coming out with slower chips than the clones, PowerComputing and Motorola machines were usually quite a few gigahertz ahead, THAT'S why they were cannabalizing Apple sales, that and of course they were cheaper and offered more bang for the buck.
To wit: Apple always gives less bang for the buck and overinflates their prices and gouges their consumers. They have since the Apple Classic (which was 1/2 all profit) and always will.
Of course now Apple is stuck looking stupid (or more stupid rather) because they're using the same chips as the peecee brethren and, if they want to look competetive, to the MHz myth anyways, they're going to need to perhaps put the fastest chips they can get. This of course will make Apple whine and gnash teeth because their beloved product markup and profit margins may get tighter, oh no, heaven forbid that!!!
I'm sure they can make up for this by further neutering their video cards like they've done for years like how peecees are coming with 512 MB cards for a full year while Apple was putting in 64 and 128, maybe Apple can go back to 32 MB cards so they can keep their precious exhorbidant markups.
Jerks!!!
To wit: Apple always gives less bang for the buck and overinflates their prices and gouges their consumers. They have since the Apple Classic (which was 1/2 all profit) and always will.
Of course now Apple is stuck looking stupid (or more stupid rather) because they're using the same chips as the peecee brethren and, if they want to look competetive, to the MHz myth anyways, they're going to need to perhaps put the fastest chips they can get. This of course will make Apple whine and gnash teeth because their beloved product markup and profit margins may get tighter, oh no, heaven forbid that!!!
I'm sure they can make up for this by further neutering their video cards like they've done for years like how peecees are coming with 512 MB cards for a full year while Apple was putting in 64 and 128, maybe Apple can go back to 32 MB cards so they can keep their precious exhorbidant markups.
Jerks!!!
kenstee said:
Bitching: Its what's for dinner, breakfast, lunch, brunch, snacks, etc. The nit picking that is being done is unreal. Possibly even surreal. Seriously. Dell puts out a craptastic update you don't see 8 bagillion posts about it online. Apple puts out an update, that its been criticized forever for not doing, and all people do is bitch. Are there some features missing? Sure. Take the link above. Bitching about having an 85 vs. the old 65 watt AC adapters? To quote the author: OMGWTF?
The only key thing missing is the DL burner and I suspect its because there are probably no laptop sized DL DVD-RW SATA burners on the market. I guess Apple could have make a cheap *** system and mixed EIDE in with SATA but they probably decided its better to move the entire system to SATA. In no way shape or form am I going to fault them for that. Then there is FW800. This can and will be available via ExpressCard in probably less then 6 months. The truth is there are only a handful of devices that REALLY take advantage of FW800. Its not as if FW400 is slow either.
Sounds like people are bitching for the sake of bitching. Apple gave you a faster system. **** already or at the very least trim the complaints down to a reasonable level: DL DVD-RW is really the only legit complaint in the list. Crap if Apple hadnt announced this thing people would be bitching about that as well.
Photorun said:
Did it ever occur to you that Apple may have been interested in better battery life then that .17Mhz speed bump?
Let me guess. You also drive a hummer too? This isn't fracking pissing contest which I think is where the majority of complaints is coming from. WAHHHHH! Windows systems have a bigger dick then we do. WAHHHLowered Resolution
The only thing I'm unhappy about on this machine is the fact that they dropped DL burning -- but someone posted earlier a link to a company (MCE?) that might release a DL-drive upgrade, so I'm not too worried about that.
About the lowered resolution, I don't mean to bring up the horizontal lines issue in the previous Powerbooks, but perhaps it's a response to that?
The only thing I'm unhappy about on this machine is the fact that they dropped DL burning -- but someone posted earlier a link to a company (MCE?) that might release a DL-drive upgrade, so I'm not too worried about that.
About the lowered resolution, I don't mean to bring up the horizontal lines issue in the previous Powerbooks, but perhaps it's a response to that?
devman said:
Thanks! Yes the new PCI/e expresscard bridge is also a great feature. I'm sure we will see a slew of new products this year like pci/e audio interfaces, external DSP processing, allowing native systems to cut down on latencies... This is very exciting for the audio world!
Now get all those pro apps universal fast...
grahamtriggs said:
The key distinction being the typical problem of productivity on a WinXP computer. They don't have iLife or OS X, for starters. But even assuming you want to isolate just hardware features, the Acer really isn't so much better to make me want that (assuming it could run OS X.)
There's always going to be people making moutains out of molehills. The rest of us will be enjoying our hardware.
- Status