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I use a Mac mini. I updated to today's Sierra beta. The bugs I reported are not fixed.

My headphone jack stopped working when I upgraded from El Capitan to Sierra. It's still not working.

BlackBerry Blend and BlackBerry Link stopped working after I upgraded to Sierra. It's still not working.
 
Not sure about the adware. I guess that would be disabled on our corporate version.

Of course I haven't decided to abandon Apple yet, and I'm well aware the final release will be more polished. All I'm just saying is I don't like the direction and seemingly lack of commitment as of the last two years. I feel the competition is getting better at a much faster rate then Apple is right now. I'll actually wait until September 2017 and see what the supposed redesigned iphone 8 brings, but if I was in the position where I needed to upgrade today, I would have a difficult decision to make.

you are taking your decisions judging a beta wait until the final version is out then make another evaluation , i honestly think you need to re think about w10 anniversary update i just came from win beta forum where i have so much fun torturing the w10 users , do you know that Microsoft is putting adware in w10 computers.i'm not talking about the old spyware news , this is something totally new , adware so beware.
 
I love itunes comes with 10.7. simple and elegant. I don't want iMessage on my desktop. I love the simplicity of iChat. I don't want to use desktop to receive phone calls. Why do you want to make a desktop function like a phone? A desktop is a desktop.

10.7 is very comfortable for my eye because of refined 3D UI. Everything is easy to recognize. I have been using my work laptop with el capiton for months and I hate the flat UI to the gut. It 's just ugly as he'll and everything is not easy to see. it's like you are using one eye instead two eyes to see the world.

I think apple has lost it's direction. I started to use apple product since 2004 and their UI was always t
 
Despite my recent "rant" about apple, I have to disagree with all of this. I personally like all of the flatter design elements in the new UI. I just hate the performance.

I love itunes comes with 10.7. simple and elegant. I don't want iMessage on my desktop. I love the simplicity of iChat. I don't want to use desktop to receive phone calls. Why do you want to make a desktop function like a phone? A desktop is a desktop.

10.7 is very comfortable for my eye because of refined 3D UI. Everything is easy to recognize. I have been using my work laptop with el capiton for months and I hate the flat UI to the gut. It 's just ugly as he'll and everything is not easy to see. it's like you are using one eye instead two eyes to see the world.

I think apple has lost it's direction. I started to use apple product since 2004 and their UI was always t
 
Well, the update "bricked" my mid-2014 MBP. After downloading the update and telling the system to reboot, I got the spinning beachball of death. I left the thing sitting there for half an hour with no joy, so I hard booted. Now, every time I type my password in on boot, it hangs and restarts itself, ad infinitum. Yay, beta!
 
Sierra also removed PPTP which breaks my VPN, also removed the ability to enter a VPN hostname (only IP address.. wtf).
What? Seriously? That's how my VPN works too. Thank goodness I only installed the Sierra beta on my Macbook Pro, leaving my desktop (which uses the VPN) untouched on El Capitan.

The last couple of days I've been pricing up custom-build Windows machines. This year marks my 20th anniversary as a Mac user. Kinda sad it has come to this.
 
I converted to the apple ecosystem in 2012 (current: ipad air2, 15" MBP MY'14, iPhone 6SPlus, 5s), and have been extremely happy but like many, that love is fading. Apple is stagnant on both hardware and software

4 years is not a long time. In that time Apple's hardware includes (off the top of my head):

- 2 new MacBook models (Retina MBP and Retina MacBook)
- 2 new iPad models (mini and Pro)
- TocuhID (and Apple Pay security)
- 3D Touch (fastest way for me to triage my work emails)
- Stepped battery in the Retina MacBook
- Custom designed class leading SoCs
- Custom designed class leading NAND controllers in the iPhone 6s
- True Tone flash
- True Tone displays
- Highly regarded Pencil accessory
- Continue to have some of the best flagship cameras on the market

Similarly for software:

- Apple Pay
- ResearchKit (lets hope this leads to some good)
- Apple Maps
- A new programming language Swift
- Continuity & Handoff (a lot of features buried within these top level names)
- Apple Music
- Metal
- CarPlay

If that's stagnant I'd love to see what the other guys are doing.

It would have been more worth while if the new apple file system was in place as default with a matching time machine update that was more modern.

It will be even more worthwhile when they release it once it's ready. You can't just throw money at projects and hope it speeds things up.

Still small animation glitches on my MY'14 MBP which I'm frankly getting tired of.

I use Windows on a ThinkPad as my work machine - both OS X/macOS and Windows have small UI glitches. Expecting perfection on this front is bad for you - it will never happen.

However if the glitches are major you may have other issues. My use cases are obviously different to yours but my late 2011 MBP isn't displaying anything serious in terms of interface smoothness.

Sierra also removed PPTP which breaks my VPN, also removed the ability to enter a VPN hostname (only IP address.. wtf). Sierra also broke some of the plugins I use in Lightroom making it unusable for a daily driver.

Please stop using Betas or even expecting to use them as your daily driver. That's just asking for trouble.

Unless, the next 15" MBP is really something special, and the supposed redesigned iphone 8 is equally awesome

What are you expecting? What could they release in your wildest dreams that would make the MacBook Pro "really something special" or the iPhone "awesome"?

There is pretty much nothing that will make your daily usage of the devices much different. The most outlandish rumour for either of these devices is the OLED bar above the keyboard on the next MBP. Hardly going to change your life. The iPhone will have better cameras, faster SoC, and maybe waterproofing and wireless charging. Again hardly going to change your life.

Will they be better devices. No question. Will they be really something special... I doubt it, there just isn't much they can add to get the jumps that Unibody construction, Retina screens or TouchID etc. provided IMO.

It's always good to check out the competition though. It may fit your needs better (for me Windows is better for my Work needs).

Despite the new name, I find this release very "style over substance" release that offers very little. The next 15 months will be very interesting for Apple.

I'm the opposite, I really like Siri, universal clipboard, Photos improvements, Apple Watch login (wish I had this on my work machine with it's ridiculously long password requirements), Tabs (another feature I'd like on Windows).

Apple isn't perfect, never were, never will be. But right now as a user I'm pretty damn happy with my late 2011 MBP, iPhone 6, iPad Pro 9.7", ATV 4 and Apple Watch Sport. Can they be improved - oh yes. Am I pining for competitors devices - nope. The odd feature for sure, and I'm hoping they will come in good time.

I see posts like yours all the time. Competition is catching up... iPod Killer, iPhone Killer, MacBook killer. Customer satisfaction shows Apple is doing just fine for now.
 
4 years is not a long time. In that time Apple's hardware includes (off the top of my head):

- 2 new MacBook models (Retina MBP and Retina MacBook)
- 2 new iPad models (mini and Pro)
- TocuhID (and Apple Pay security)
- 3D Touch (fastest way for me to triage my work emails)
- Stepped battery in the Retina MacBook
- Custom designed class leading SoCs
- Custom designed class leading NAND controllers in the iPhone 6s
- True Tone flash
- True Tone displays
- Highly regarded Pencil accessory
- Continue to have some of the best flagship cameras on the market

Similarly for software:

- Apple Pay
- ResearchKit (lets hope this leads to some good)
- Apple Maps
- A new programming language Swift
- Continuity & Handoff (a lot of features buried within these top level names)
- Apple Music
- Metal
- CarPlay

If that's stagnant I'd love to see what the other guys are doing.


The problem is that aside from Metal, I have zero interest in any of those things. All I really want is stability and bug fixes. And don't ever break anything. There are some bugs that I know will never ever get fixed.

Not interested in Apple Pay, ResearchKit, Apple Maps never understands anything I search for, Swift is a downgrade from ObjC, never used Continuity or Handoff, Apple Music completely screwed up the UI for the Music app on my iPhone, and I don't own a car. Metal is good though.

All I wanted hardware wise was for them to keep the same exact design of the Macbook Air and stick a retina display in it. But it looks like they never will.
 
What I don't understand, is that despite being MACrumors and not iPhonerumors, people almost never talk about what's new in betas of OS X/macOS. I basically know everything that's new in iOS 10 beta 4, thanks to the 'iOS 10 Beta 4 Bug Fixes and Changes' topic. But, apart from the changed emojis, I haven't read about anything else that's new in the new macOS Sierra beta. And since macOS is 'heavier' than iOS, I don't feel like searching through the whole OS to find that out.

Anyone who can tell me what's new in this build? Again, apart from the changed emojis of course.
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I agree. There is a lot less Mac stuff here. Siri works like crap on my iPhone 6+.... and by extension on my Apple Watch... because...duh... it accesses Siri through my iPhone 6+. I press the home button for Siri...and I have a bunch of burps and aborted Siri responses... very annoying. I guess my point is... the whole point of the new version of MAC OS... being Siri... and only Siri...and nothing but the Siri is lame. I am sure that there are other aspects of the new OS that would be good to report on. I just hope....that Siri is correctly and adequately prioritized in MAC OS Sierra... so that it actually works like it should. If it is a botched implementation... then I think I will revert back to 10.11.6 or whatever is out there after the MAC OS Sierra update comes out.

Am I the only one who looks like a goof in public trying to Siri-ize my life with the tech making me look like a fool?
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4 years is not a long time. In that time Apple's hardware includes (off the top of my head):

- 2 new MacBook models (Retina MBP and Retina MacBook)
- 2 new iPad models (mini and Pro)
- TocuhID (and Apple Pay security)
- 3D Touch (fastest way for me to triage my work emails)
- Stepped battery in the Retina MacBook
- Custom designed class leading SoCs
- Custom designed class leading NAND controllers in the iPhone 6s
- True Tone flash
- True Tone displays
- Highly regarded Pencil accessory
- Continue to have some of the best flagship cameras on the market

Similarly for software:

- Apple Pay
- ResearchKit (lets hope this leads to some good)
- Apple Maps
- A new programming language Swift
- Continuity & Handoff (a lot of features buried within these top level names)
- Apple Music
- Metal
- CarPlay

If that's stagnant I'd love to see what the other guys are doing.

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One thing that really gets my goat... is that apple tech as far as their iMacs and MBPs/MBAs... lasts a really long time. I have a 2009 MacBook Pro 17" that I love... it was the top of the line... and has a discreet Nvidia GPU... which of course is garbage 7 years later. My big deal... is that APPLE cannot WAIT to prune old systems from the new OS list. My 17" MBP, while still dual core is 2.93 GHZ.... in speed. I suspect... with the multithreaded-ness that SIRI requires... the FLAGSHIP Raison d'etre for the new Mac OS... AKA Siri... just kaiboshed future updates for me. With all my Macs...and I have more than I want to admit... I have a 2011 MacBook Air 11 inch and a 2014 Mac Mini that can accept the update. I will sneeze and blink my eye... and soon nothing that I have will accept anything new MAC OS-wise. ;-(
Progresses marches onward... but I get tired of Apples "Churn baby Churn, Hardware Inferno" aspect... they might as well be Microsoft!



It will be even more worthwhile when they release it once it's ready. You can't just throw money at projects and hope it speeds things up.



I use Windows on a ThinkPad as my work machine - both OS X/macOS and Windows have small UI glitches. Expecting perfection on this front is bad for you - it will never happen.

However if the glitches are major you may have other issues. My use cases are obviously different to yours but my late 2011 MBP isn't displaying anything serious in terms of interface smoothness.



Please stop using Betas or even expecting to use them as your daily driver. That's just asking for trouble.



What are you expecting? What could they release in your wildest dreams that would make the MacBook Pro "really something special" or the iPhone "awesome"?

There is pretty much nothing that will make your daily usage of the devices much different. The most outlandish rumour for either of these devices is the OLED bar above the keyboard on the next MBP. Hardly going to change your life. The iPhone will have better cameras, faster SoC, and maybe waterproofing and wireless charging. Again hardly going to change your life.

Will they be better devices. No question. Will they be really something special... I doubt it, there just isn't much they can add to get the jumps that Unibody construction, Retina screens or TouchID etc. provided IMO.

It's always good to check out the competition though. It may fit your needs better (for me Windows is better for my Work needs).



I'm the opposite, I really like Siri, universal clipboard, Photos improvements, Apple Watch login (wish I had this on my work machine with it's ridiculously long password requirements), Tabs (another feature I'd like on Windows).

Apple isn't perfect, never were, never will be. But right now as a user I'm pretty damn happy with my late 2011 MBP, iPhone 6, iPad Pro 9.7", ATV 4 and Apple Watch Sport. Can they be improved - oh yes. Am I pining for competitors devices - nope. The odd feature for sure, and I'm hoping they will come in good time.

I see posts like yours all the time. Competition is catching up... iPod Killer, iPhone Killer, MacBook killer. Customer satisfaction shows Apple is doing just fine for now.
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Because Apple wants you to buy one of their new Macs. Just kidding, they won't sell you one anyway.
You can downgrade to an iToy Pro instead ;)
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Exactly... my Early 2008 iMac is in the same boat as yours... ;-(
 
The problem is that aside from Metal, I have zero interest in any of those things. All I really want is stability and bug fixes. And don't ever break anything. There are some bugs that I know will never ever get fixed.

Not interested in Apple Pay, ResearchKit, Apple Maps never understands anything I search for, Swift is a downgrade from ObjC, never used Continuity or Handoff, Apple Music completely screwed up the UI for the Music app on my iPhone, and I don't own a car. Metal is good though.

All I wanted hardware wise was for them to keep the same exact design of the Macbook Air and stick a retina display in it. But it looks like they never will.

Yes some of it is not for everyone (Apple Pay, Apple Maps etc. have alternatives you may prefer). But some things surely everyone wants. TouchID (who doesn't want to unlock their phone faster and more securely?), Stepped batteries (who doesn't want more battery in the same size enclosures), RersearchKit (who doesn't want an easy way to capture large amounts of data for medical research?). Class leading performance in SoCs and NAND (who doesn't want strong performance?). Etc. etc.

You'll never get "And don't ever break anything" - that's not the way these things work. Sorry. A bit like learning Santa isn't real you one day you realise the software game with all it's complexities means things break, bugs are unearthed, security flaws revealed. Reality sucks sometimes.

Swift is 2 years old, I should think it's not as good as Obj-C yet.

No they likely won't release a MacBook Air with Retina display. For 15% more I can pickup a MacBook Pro with Retina. It's about ~10% heavier and marginally thicker (without the wedge shape) - minor tradeoffs IMO for the performance and screen improvements over the Air. And who knows, the next MBP may close the gap with the Air in terms of size, weight and battery.
 
Has the issue with using WD my cloud as a time machine been fixed?

I think that's an issue with all 3rd party network drives. Officially, Apple's Time Machine does not support network drives other than the Time Capsule. I read that.
 
I've been a Mac user since 1995. First Mac was a PowerMacintosh 8500. Always bought the Pro offerings (PM 8600, PM G3, PM G4 MDD, and a Mac Pro Early 2008). My Mac Pro Early 2008 has dual 4 core Xeons 2.8GHz, 32GB RAM, Sonnet Tempo SSD Pro PCIe with dual 960GB Crucial M500 SSD's (RAID0 with SoftRAID 5.5), Dual 480GB Sandisk Extreme SSD's (Bay 1/2 RAID0 with SoftRAID 5.5), Dual 240GB Sandisk Extreme SSD's (Bay 3/4 RAID0 with SoftRAID 5.5), Dual internal BluRay drives, Newertech eSATA RAID card with Sans Digital 8 bay eSATA RAID tower (8x4TB RAID5 with SoftRAID 5.5), and a Newertech 4 port USB 3.0 card. Guess what? Sierra isn't supported. Probably close to $6000 invested. I guess a late 2009 MacBook is a much more robust and powerful machine than what I have as it supports Sierra. Sorry for the rant but dropping support for a fully 64 bit capable and fully loaded Pro system is a joke. I could care less about Siri, Handoff, Emojis, AirDrop, etc. I don't think I will be buying anymore expensive Mac systems in the future. Get a fully loaded Windows 10 Pro system (i know, i know) and the cheapest Mac laptop available (for daily stuff like web browsing, email, Quicken, etc.).
 
Looking for assistance - I've been running public betas since the inception, however, I can't seem to download Sierra after redeeming the key. Is there a key I need to unregister (like the iPhone) in order to download Sierra? My computer is operating Beta El Capitan at the moment.
 
Yes some of it is not for everyone (Apple Pay, Apple Maps etc. have alternatives you may prefer). But some things surely everyone wants. TouchID (who doesn't want to unlock their phone faster and more securely?), Stepped batteries (who doesn't want more battery in the same size enclosures), RersearchKit (who doesn't want an easy way to capture large amounts of data for medical research?). Class leading performance in SoCs and NAND (who doesn't want strong performance?). Etc. etc.

You'll never get "And don't ever break anything" - that's not the way these things work. Sorry. A bit like learning Santa isn't real you one day you realise the software game with all it's complexities means things break, bugs are unearthed, security flaws revealed. Reality sucks sometimes.

Swift is 2 years old, I should think it's not as good as Obj-C yet.

No they likely won't release a MacBook Air with Retina display. For 15% more I can pickup a MacBook Pro with Retina. It's about ~10% heavier and marginally thicker (without the wedge shape) - minor tradeoffs IMO for the performance and screen improvements over the Air. And who knows, the next MBP may close the gap with the Air in terms of size, weight and battery.

If I have to give up something to get TouchID, Stepped batteries, ResearchKit then I don't want it. I need stability. I need to have a platform that I can build on. If Apple just obsoletes the platform every few years, it's not a viable platform for me. For the average consumer, it's fine, but it's too risky to depend on Apple for anything important.

For example, Apple broke the USB stack in El Capitan. There was no reason to do that, there wasn't even any benefit. Sure, most people will never notice, but stuff that used to work no longer works. The reason is basically incompetence, if they just left it alone, it would still be working.

It seems my only viable option is Linux, and to write the software I need myself.
 
Can't wait to use this with the 2016 MacBook Pro I'm buying.
Oh wait.
Maybe I should get an iPad Pro, since it's as good as a computer anyway. Can anyone link me the app on the App Store that will allow me to use NPM in terminal to install all my Angular packages for my web app, and also the app on the app store that allows me to capture my build with a recording so I can import it to Photoshop and generate a GIF from it? Also, can someone show me in the App Store the Xcode install?
I mean, since we're so sure the iPad Pro can replace my MacBook and all.
I guess I should just be "happy" they still offer a 15" MacBook Pro that's powered by a CPU that was released when Justin Bieber took Selena Gomez out on their first date.
 
Sounds like someone should start a similar thread in the macOS section and people should contribute to it, as it's done in the iOS section.

To minimise repetition, such topics are typically closed or merged. (Yesterday I asked for one of my topics to be merged.)

Macrumours lacks details

I wish you guys would let us know what changed...

So what has changed? Do you even know Macrumours?

The dearth of available information is typically because Apple does not make that information available, not even to developers. Space: macOS 10.12 | Apple Developer Forums and so on.

if the current Sierra Beta is compatible with

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the issue with using WD my cloud as a time machine

@Jamie-30 to minimise repetition, please consider encouraging readers to continue under your earlier topic Time Machine WD My Cloud issues.
 
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@Jamie-30 to minimise repetition, please consider encouraging readers to continue under your earlier topic Time Machine WD My Cloud issues.
They get started and exist for changes for each new beta and release for iOS, seems like the same would apply to macOS.
 
Well it seems like it's up to the user population to create the threads. And I don't mean essentially the same exact thread of "X beta/release is out" as would be in the news section and thus get merged/closed, but something like "X beta/release changes, fixes, and improvements" which would have a wiki OP where people can add their observations as well as the thread to discuss things--it's different enough to exist in the relevant sub-forum and works out fistlu well as many such threads in the iOS sub-forum demonstrate.
 
I believe that the reason is because the Late 2009 iMac was the first iMac to be "true 64 bit" in the ROM chips. I waited a long time to buy my own iMac because I wanted it to be both quad-core and "true 64 bit" as I was concerned about the longevity of my non tax-deductible purchase.

I am currently waiting to buy my next iMac which should have a 5-6 TB Fusion hard drive. Also, I am not crazy about the current "anorexic thin" design of the iMac as my priority is the sound quality of the iMac which I use to play my considerable collection of classical music and operas.

I always wait for a computer to have the features that I want most before I buy it. IMHO, this is the best way to avoid buyer's remorse.

To be fair... can you really have Buyer's Remorse over a computer from 2008 in late 2016 (when Sierra will be released)?
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As far as Metal goes, that's supposed to be used for gaming. Apple still works on it but it's clear that its adoption on macOS is probably never going to reach widespread adoption whereas Metal on iOS is getting adoption. We don't know if Sierra removed your VPN stuff or if that's not ready yet

PPTP is going away (and really should because it's 2016 and it's not remotely secure)

https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT206844

Metal is gaining traction on the Mac (and the API continues to improve) and is used by Apple in the OS for many transitional effects.

Blizzard's WoW fully supports and uses Metal. One problem with Metal is the list of hardware it supports. Adopting it means cutting off support for some older hardware. That's easier to do today for companies like Blizzard than it was 12 or 18 months ago.
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Windows UI is much snappier and doesn't suffer from all the stupid micro glitching El capitan and Sierra have.

Until your Windows 10 Start menu stops working:

http://******.com/?q=windows+10+start+menu+won't+work

That problem is unbelievably frustrating and still exists more than a year after Windows 10 was released.
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Still using 10.7 Lion

I think it would be the last Mac OS I would ever use.

And oddly you feel compelled to come to MacRumors and post in a 10.12 topic.

Strange.
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Has the issue with using WD my cloud as a time machine been fixed?

Honestly you couldn't pay me to use that. I can't image WD has the same attention to security that companies like Apple, Microsoft, Google and DropBox have.

And this is your backup..everything you have is there.
 
So, system continue to freeze while I am using Safari. :( I am sending one more report to Apple and switch back to Firefox.
 
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