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Do you understand the concept of Beta software, at all?

Please explain to us why it's Apples job to make their beta OS to work with third party apps? Because in the real world, this is why developers are given beta releases to work out their problems.

Cause this is a public beta... The keyword being Public, and not developer.
 
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Completely agree. My money is on windows 10 to more stable than apple, cause they are not going to give us a free update each year, rushing it out with bugs as a markerting move

Never put your money on Windows, or you'll lose them :p

The first reviews I've read so far regarding W10 talk about some really annoying and silly bugs that point towards rush release, not to mention that the return of their oh-so-precious start menu seems to be badly designed (although that was very obvious from the beginning, hence I don't get why so many people praised its design on technical previews and now realize it is not functional, since it is the same). And beyond bugs, traditionally, it suffers from dissimilarities among its UI elements.
 
I don't know what kind of Office 2011 you were using but my version was almost completely unusable since 2013. Office 2016 has been great on my MBP.

Im using Office 2011 14.5.3 (150624) and its been the same version since I started Apple beta testing - going from 10.7 to now 10.11 - El Capitan Beta 3 - not a single issue with the Office applications. Plus all start faster than anything to do with Office 2016. Outlook starts in 3 seconds flat - on a Late 2014 MBPR 15". So if someone can explain to me why the latest version does not run as quick or quicker, I would love to hear their reply.
 
interesting: a bug in Yosemite in wich I had more then 10 (!) crashes a day almost never occurred in El Capitan PB1, a bit more in El Capitan PB2, and today with PB3 I have had moren then 4 (!) crashes the first hour. how is this possible :/
 
There are already lots of my apps that not working with El Capitan. Many of the developers told me they'll not able to release updates till the official release of 10.11. uh...
 
interesting: a bug in Yosemite in wich I had more then 10 (!) crashes a day almost never occurred in El Capitan PB1, a bit more in El Capitan PB2, and today with PB3 I have had moren then 4 (!) crashes the first hour. how is this possible :/

WTF how and why - what applications - have to tried to pinpoint the App / memory leak? Your statement is too vague and offers nothing in the way of trying to resolve the issue.
 
There are already lots of my apps that not working with El Capitan. Many of the developers told me they'll not able to release updates till the official release of 10.11. uh...

That's the usual "generic response". They won't fix nothing till the full official release and many things change over time.
 
Does anyone else still go to System Preferences looking for Software Update, EVERY time?
Jup. No matter if I work on my personal computer with German as main language or my work computers with English. The two menu items just look too identical.
 
I have a never ending cycle of installing Command Line Tools.
 

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I'm really looking fowarrd to multiple tabs in Mail. I reply to multiple emails all the time. Adding to own desktop from mission control is noting new...

Creating a space is rather than dragging over the "+" sign ..... I don't see a difference. u'd have to do that anyway.

Dragging into same same u can do that already.
 
Never put your money on Windows, or you'll lose them :p

The first reviews I've read so far regarding W10 talk about some really annoying and silly bugs that point towards rush release, not to mention that the return of their oh-so-precious start menu seems to be badly designed (although that was very obvious from the beginning, hence I don't get why so many people praised its design on technical previews and now realize it is not functional, since it is the same). And beyond bugs, traditionally, it suffers from dissimilarities among its UI elements.

Windows 7 was solid, if windows 10 is anything like that , will be a solid OS
 
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I seem to be experiencing a weird sound issue in these betas, downloading Beta 3 now so I'll see if they've fixed it. Basically, I have all system sounds and effects set to come out of my MacBook Pro's internal speakers (I have it in clamshell mode with two monitors attached). For some reason, system sounds just aren't played at all even though the speakers are right the way up in volume. Another thing, when I use the volume keys on my bluetooth Apple keyboard to adjust the volume, there's about a 6 second delay between me tapping the keys and receiving the volume change interface. Still no 'feedback' is heard like it usually would be when changing the volume (yes I have that switched on in preferences).

I'm completely stumped at what's happening and can only put it down to some sort of bug in the beta. I'll also mention that none of this happens when I have me bluetooth speaker or headphones connected, everything works fine with those.\

Edit: Spoke too soon! Beta 3 fixed this.
 
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PB3 seems to have fixed the only issue I was experiencing: in Pixelmator if you tried to resize something it flipped upside-down and sort of exploded. Weird effect. Fixed now.
 
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Cause this is a public beta... The keyword being Public, and not developer.

It's still a BETA - Apple makes changes and improvements to their own software and developers look at the documentation and make their apps work to the Apple guidelines.

Apple can do anything they want to it and break every app out their as it's *their* software.
 
Can someone post direct links? Software update is not showing it for me. I tried deleting the app store prefs and entering the terminal commands from an earlier post in this thread and its still not updating. Thanks.

Same problem here, no update.

I had the same after PB1 and ended up doing a fresh install, then PB2 became available, but nothing now...

I also tried the plist deletion exercise to no avail...
 
Windows 7 was solid, if windows 10 is anything like that , will be a solid OS
Windows 10 is running flawless for me on another partition.

I actually like the changes but I'm sticking with OS X as my main OS. Unfortunately I have to test my sites with windows, and that new browser is my only complaint about Win10
 
I was busy all day yesterday and never knew beta 3 was released until I got a popup asking me to restart. It had completely downloaded in the background. I restarted my computer making the mistake of not quitting all the applications first. The actual install went than previous installs but the first actual boot took forever. the progress bar sat 2/3 way done for over 8 minutes. I waited it out and beta 3 was installed. Then, and there is always a then, applications did not like that the OS changed behind their backs. Mail, Messages, Firefox and the System Preferences all went non responsive making me force quit them all. The System Preferences came back right away. I had to restart Mail because there was some issue it dint like with SpamSieve and then after the second restart it took forever starting up again processing all the mailboxes. It is running now though. Firefox got hung up trying to restart my old session. Once I figured that out after 3 restarts and chose to not restart an old session, Firefox came back fine. It was Messages that was problematic. It hung 3 times before I got it running and then all my chat was missing from the last 2 days. Weird? I could restore from TimeMachine I guess but nothing vital was there. El Capitan has run flawlessly since then. Now on to the testing today.
 
one serious problem with apple being so secretive is it makes it very hard for developers to make sure their code works leading up to a OS upgrade like this. sure they have these betas to work off of but the feedback loop is a tough one with apple.
 
one serious problem with apple being so secretive is it makes it very hard for developers to make sure their code works leading up to a OS upgrade like this. sure they have these betas to work off of but the feedback loop is a tough one with apple.
There's nothing secretive about it. You have an issue as a developer, you report to Apple and they answer during the beta period. Or you use developer forums to ask Apple and other developers about the issue.
 
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The panel issue in Finder is fixed but I still cannot make phone calls from my Mac and Calendar events still do not show up in my Notification Center. Also, when printing directly from Scrivener, header text prints backward.
 
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